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Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

Post#1 » by WEFFPIM » Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:30 pm

The Montreal Canadiens on Saturday fired coach Jacques Martin.

Randy Cunneyworth was named interim coach for the remainder of the season. Larry Carriere becomes assistant coach.

The Canadiens are 13-12-7, worst in the Northeast Division.

Martin was in his third season with Montreal. He previously has coached in Florida, Ottawa and St. Louis.

The Canadiens already had made a coaching move after a rough start to the season. They fired assistant Perry Pearn Oct. 26, after opening 1-5-2, the deepest they had gone into a season with only one win since 1941-42. Pearn had been in charge of the power play.

Cunneyworth, 50, was hired by the Canadiens as an assistant coach in July. Last season, he coached the team's AHL affiliate in Hamilton, which finished 44-27-2-7.


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Re: Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

Post#2 » by Nolan » Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:27 pm

Well i'm not really suprised, but I doubt a coaching change does much for that team they have so many other problems.
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Re: Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

Post#3 » by trwi7 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:30 pm

I'm guessing Kirk Muller is really kicking himself in the ass right now.
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Re: Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

Post#4 » by Nolan » Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:43 pm

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Re: Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

Post#5 » by Crowned » Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:19 pm

I disagree. Carolina is the perfect fit for a rookie coach, he'll do well there. He would've been thrown to the wolves with the Montreal media.
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Post#6 » by sh00n » Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:56 pm

Crowned wrote:I disagree. Carolina is the perfect fit for a rookie coach, he'll do well there. He would've been thrown to the wolves with the Montreal media.

Wait, what? Kirkie's been dealing with the Montreal media for years now. If anything he was more prepared than any coach in the NHL for it.
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Re: Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

Post#7 » by Nolan » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:33 pm

Gotta agree with Shoon here. Mueller already knows all the ins and outs of the Montreal media. He would of done well there.
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Re: Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

Post#8 » by Crowned » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:08 am

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Crowned wrote:I disagree. Carolina is the perfect fit for a rookie coach, he'll do well there. He would've been thrown to the wolves with the Montreal media.

Wait, what? Kirkie's been dealing with the Montreal media for years now. If anything he was more prepared than any coach in the NHL for it.


Sorry, but watching the head coach conduct press conferences doesn't "prepare" him for the media. How often does the media talk to the assistant coach? With your logic, Sam Cronin with the Leafs would be better prepared than anyone in the NHL to deal with the media.

Giving quotes for newspapers like an assistant coach does about upcoming games is easy. Dealing with a mob-like media/hockey market after blowing a 3-0 lead against a division rival is a whole different story.

I'd use caution when hiring rookie coaches in markets like Montreal and Toronto. I'm not saying they wouldn't succeed, but it would take someone special to deal with it...which is why getting experience somewhere like Carolina would be better than somewhere like Montreal where fans would want him on the chopping block after every loss.
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Re: Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

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Crowned wrote:Sorry, but watching the head coach conduct press conferences doesn't "prepare" him for the media. How often does the media talk to the assistant coach? With your logic, Sam Cronin with the Leafs would be better prepared than anyone in the NHL to deal with the media.

Giving quotes for newspapers like an assistant coach does about upcoming games is easy. Dealing with a mob-like media/hockey market after blowing a 3-0 lead against a division rival is a whole different story.

I'd use caution when hiring rookie coaches in markets like Montreal and Toronto. I'm not saying they wouldn't succeed, but it would take someone special to deal with it...which is why getting experience somewhere like Carolina would be better than somewhere like Montreal where fans would want him on the chopping block after every loss.


Its not just about Muller's time there as an assistant its the fact that in his time there as a player he was a fan favorite and he won a cup there. Montreal fan's love the guy and that alone would of given him a ton of leeway with the media.

I do agree that throwing a rookie coach into a market like Montreal or Toronto is a horrible idea. But Muller would of survived there a lot longer than most coaches.
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Re: Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

Post#10 » by MAS » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:05 pm

Habs=Scrooge

When have we heard of a coach getting fired so close to christmas?
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Re: Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

Post#11 » by sh00n » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:36 am

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Crowned wrote:I disagree. Carolina is the perfect fit for a rookie coach, he'll do well there. He would've been thrown to the wolves with the Montreal media.

Wait, what? Kirkie's been dealing with the Montreal media for years now. If anything he was more prepared than any coach in the NHL for it.


Sorry, but watching the head coach conduct press conferences doesn't "prepare" him for the media. How often does the media talk to the assistant coach? With your logic, Sam Cronin with the Leafs would be better prepared than anyone in the NHL to deal with the media.

Giving quotes for newspapers like an assistant coach does about upcoming games is easy. Dealing with a mob-like media/hockey market after blowing a 3-0 lead against a division rival is a whole different story.

I'd use caution when hiring rookie coaches in markets like Montreal and Toronto. I'm not saying they wouldn't succeed, but it would take someone special to deal with it...which is why getting experience somewhere like Carolina would be better than somewhere like Montreal where fans would want him on the chopping block after every loss.

You're pretty clueless when it comes to the Habs media and how Kirk Muller was received in Montreal while he was here. First off, he didn't have to do the press conferences, but he was giving as much if not more time to the media in the locker room as the players. The media loves Kirkie in Montreal and they always went to him to talk before and after games. Not to mention if he was the coach he would have received a much longer leash because of how he's perceived in Montreal as a player and as a coach. Virtually everyone wanted him as the head coach after the Habs let Boucher go and everyone knows that this team is not going anywhere right now with the mess Gauthier made.
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Re: Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

Post#12 » by sh00n » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:37 am

MAS wrote:Habs=Scrooge

When have we heard of a coach getting fired so close to christmas?

From a fans perspective, the Habs are Santa for firing him. Now we just need Molson to get fed up and tell PG to GTFO.
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Re: Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

Post#13 » by Crowned » Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:49 am

Randy Cunneyworth has been called a lot of things in his NHL career, but we imagine "unilingual Anglophone" was a new one.
He was promoted by the Montreal Canadiens to replace Jacques Martin on an interim basis. He doesn't speak French. You can imagine where it goes from here.
Since the hiring, the French-speaking media have denounced the move, a separatist group has threatened to boycott Molson beer to protest Habs owner Geoff Molson — no big loss, as we all know the French only drink wine (just jokes, people) — and Philippe Cantin of La Presse called the hiring of Cunneyworth no less than an insult to the province


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He's been hired for what, a week? Apparently I'm the clueless one when it comes to Montreal's media...
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Re: Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

Post#14 » by WEFFPIM » Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:30 pm

Things sure do operate differently north of the border, don't they?
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Post#15 » by Nolan » Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:59 pm

This is whole Cunneyworth thing is just (Please Use More Appropriate Word), at least let the guy try to learn the language. If Moslon gives in to this crap all their doing is limiting their own success by cutting dozens of eligible coaches out of the picture.
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Post#16 » by sh00n » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:01 am

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Randy Cunneyworth has been called a lot of things in his NHL career, but we imagine "unilingual Anglophone" was a new one.
He was promoted by the Montreal Canadiens to replace Jacques Martin on an interim basis. He doesn't speak French. You can imagine where it goes from here.
Since the hiring, the French-speaking media have denounced the move, a separatist group has threatened to boycott Molson beer to protest Habs owner Geoff Molson — no big loss, as we all know the French only drink wine (just jokes, people) — and Philippe Cantin of La Presse called the hiring of Cunneyworth no less than an insult to the province


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He's been hired for what, a week? Apparently I'm the clueless one when it comes to Montreal's media...

We were talking about Muller, genius. Not Cunneyworth. And I already gave you the reasons why Kirkie wouldn't be treated this way - seeing as most of Montreal wanted him as coach to begin with. Stop pulling at straws to try and win a debate you lost a few posts ago.

The whole situation is stupid, and it just makes Quebec look more moronic than it already does. I'm Native American, so I could care less what anyone is saying about the french because I'll most likely agree with them on each point. I just think it's stupid that they'll go to the lengths of boycotting Molson beer just because they want a french coach.

I've already said this before, but if Quebec wants to be 100% french so badly, they shouldn't have any of their athletes participate in the Olympics to represent an English country. If they want to handicap their own people that badly, in that they'll only speak a language (not to mention, a broken version of french that the Parisians laugh at) that a minority speak, I say let them go for it. As soon as I'm done school I'm probably moving to Toronto anyways, so I could care less.
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Re: Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

Post#17 » by Crowned » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:41 am

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Crowned wrote:
Randy Cunneyworth has been called a lot of things in his NHL career, but we imagine "unilingual Anglophone" was a new one.
He was promoted by the Montreal Canadiens to replace Jacques Martin on an interim basis. He doesn't speak French. You can imagine where it goes from here.
Since the hiring, the French-speaking media have denounced the move, a separatist group has threatened to boycott Molson beer to protest Habs owner Geoff Molson — no big loss, as we all know the French only drink wine (just jokes, people) — and Philippe Cantin of La Presse called the hiring of Cunneyworth no less than an insult to the province


http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc ... hl-wp20220

He's been hired for what, a week? Apparently I'm the clueless one when it comes to Montreal's media...

We were talking about Muller, genius. Not Cunneyworth. And I already gave you the reasons why Kirkie wouldn't be treated this way - seeing as most of Montreal wanted him as coach to begin with. Stop pulling at straws to try and win a debate you lost a few posts ago.

The whole situation is stupid, and it just makes Quebec look more moronic than it already does. I'm Native American, so I could care less what anyone is saying about the french because I'll most likely agree with them on each point. I just think it's stupid that they'll go to the lengths of boycotting Molson beer just because they want a french coach.

I've already said this before, but if Quebec wants to be 100% french so badly, they shouldn't have any of their athletes participate in the Olympics to represent an English country. If they want to handicap their own people that badly, in that they'll only speak a language (not to mention, a broken version of french that the Parisians laugh at) that a minority speak, I say let them go for it. As soon as I'm done school I'm probably moving to Toronto anyways, so I could care less.


Your biased opinion doesn't win you any debates. If you can't go a single post without an insult, I'd really suggest I'm dealing with some pre-teen talking about the Canadiens. You're saying Montreal would be supportive with Muller, and I'm saying they can't support the coach they've had for a week. That's where the comparison comes in, genius.

Other than your biased opinion, can you really prove they'd support Muller, and allow him on a 'long leash'? Since 1995, every coach they've had (minus Alain Vigneault) finished with a winning record over .500.

How'd stanley cup winning coach Claude Julien do with you?

On January 17, 2003, Julien became head coach of the Montreal Canadiens. In 2004, his first full season as an NHL head coach, he led Montreal to a 93 point performance (41–30–7–4 record) and the second round of the playoffs. He was fired and replaced by GM Bob Gainey on January 14, 2006. Julien accumulated a win-loss-OverTimeLoss-ShootOutLoss record of 72–62–11–14 during his three seasons


...but Kirk Muller would be on a long leash? Based on his popularity? Right. That's like me saying the Leafs would love Doug Gilmour as a coach, and would be on a long leash should he become coach, regardless how he does. If a team in a huge market loses, it doesn't matter who the coach is. If you think any different, then you're right....this debate was done long ago.

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Re: Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

Post#18 » by sh00n » Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:23 pm

Because a Torontonian is going to tell a Montreal how the people in his city would react, right? Give me a time that Vigneault and Julien played for the Habs and helped them win a Cup, and then you'll have a basis for an argument, genius.

Cunneyworth never played for the Habs. He denied a trade to the Habs while he was still with the Whalers in 93. The city has virtually no knowledge of him because he wasn't a big name, and he wasn't even with the organization very long. Kirk won the Cup here, and the city always loved him. And when he retired, he came back to coach here. That's why he would be given more leeway than any other coach. Or maybe you listened to more Montreal radio than I have? With the hosts all saying Kirk should have been kept? Or the people calling in with disgust that we let him go? Even before the season began?

But hey, who am I to tell someone from Toronto how the city of Montreal would receive Kirk Muller as coach? Just listen to the pop he gets in this video.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ciakg0DT-c[/youtube]

Of cooourse Kirk Muller would be booted out of Montreal after a week. Especially since he does speak a little French too from all the years he lived here.
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Re: Montreal Fires Jacques Martin 

Post#19 » by xAIRNESSx » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:53 am

I don't get the whole he needs to speak French argument. What about the players? They talk to the media. Are all of them able to speak in French? ridiculous.
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Post#20 » by sh00n » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:59 am

xAIRNESSx wrote:I don't get the whole he needs to speak French argument. What about the players? They talk to the media. Are all of them able to speak in French? ridiculous.

That's the thing. It's all the government and the Bloq with their separatist bull. They make the whole province look stupid because of their own agendas.
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