Randle Trade Value

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What is Randle worth

negative value
6
9%
expiring filler +/- 2nds
20
31%
expiring + one 1st
26
41%
expiring + 2 1sts
9
14%
star value (3+ 1sts)
3
5%
 
Total votes: 64

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Re: Randle Trade Value 

Post#61 » by wegotthabeet » Wed Jun 19, 2024 1:59 am

Knickfan1982 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:To New York:
Mikal Bridges

To Detroit:
Randle
24th overall
25th overall
2025 WAS pick (top 10)
2025 MIL pick (top 4)

To Brooklyn:
5th overall
2026 NYK (unprotected)

as the basis for a deal.

Detroit adds a starting 4 who raises their ceiling to play-in level + 4 picks.

New York adds another Nova player.

Brooklyn gets the 5th pick to draft Castle or someone else to rebuild around.

Randle and 5 firsts for Bridges??? I don't see it.


Only because the picks are of such low quality but you have a point. I don’t see another path to Bridges. That part is the most unrealistic.

I do think there is a path to getting the 5th pick for Randle. It might involve Sacramento or another third team.
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Re: Randle Trade Value 

Post#62 » by ejftw » Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:06 am

clippertown wrote:Clippers could offer Zubac, Mann and Tucker (Exp) for Randle.


Due to the new CBA, they can't, but even then, they wouldn't.

They didn't give up Mann for Harden, they aren't going to for Randle.
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Re: Randle Trade Value 

Post#63 » by taikibansei » Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:07 am

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SuperflyKnick wrote:Why would the Knicks trade an All-NBA player in Randle for lesser players ? He can frustrate you sometimes but with additions of OG , Donte , Brunson he doesn’t have to the focal point . The knicks are looking to add more talent . If Randle is your all NBA 3rd option next year that’s an amazing situation to be


Randle was an AllStar. Not sure if that’s happening again. No team should be trading for what he was, but for what he has left. And he’s coming off of surgery.


It was a freak, non-career threatening injury, and it seems like Randle is going to be fine:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10122736-knicks-julius-randle-gives-shoulder-injury-update-says-hes-healing-up-great

Injuries suck, and we've had a lot of them the last few years. (Indeed, Randle's reputation for poor playoff performance is at least partly due to trying to play through injury in the past.) That said, Randle's in no way a big liability--he's just 29, a 3-time all-star with only two years left on a reasonable contract--why pay to dump him now? Unlike last fall (when he was apparently still injured to start the season and started slowly), Randle should be completely recovered before the next season starts. Paired with Brunson, Donte, Hart, OG (hopefully), etc., a healthy Randle should do quite well--to the point that we either want to keep him or can trade him for more than we can get now. And if not...keep him until he's an expiring contract (and worth more because of it).
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Re: Randle Trade Value 

Post#64 » by JayTWill » Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:22 am

Randle has racked up many awards during his tenure as a Knick but I don't think they provided the greatest structure to manage him as a player or a person. For as much as Thibs is known as this hard-nosed demanding coach he along with the franchise have not consistently held Randle accountable and simply coddled him at times imo.

Offensively Thibs' system is as basic as it gets. Brunson and Randle take turns taking and making difficult shots at varying levels of success. If there is no shot available they move it to the next man. There is no system that generates easy looks for him. There is no structure that makes sure he gets the ball in his best spots in favorable matchups. To his credit he has somehow found some success doing this but it would be nice to see if he could perform in a more disciplined environment.

Defensively Thibs preaches multiple efforts and energy but Randle is incredibly inconsistent with his effort and decision making. Despite that Thibs will never hold him accountable and Julius will get his 36 minutes and offensive touches no matter what.

It's odd after seeing how clearly he hated Boozer's defense years ago in Chicago benching him in favor of Gibson often but never seems to react to Randle's poor defense. I know he doesn't have a young Taj behind Julius and he probably hated Obi more but there are never any visible repercussions to Randle's actions.

Randle is an incredibly talented player but if you trade for him you probably need a strong disciplined structure in place that maximizes his strengths and minimizes his weaknesses. In New York he has been given the freedom to do whatever and we have just been along for the ride with the incredible highs and lows.

He reminds me of Derozan in Toronto where he was clearly a good player but Pop made him much more efficient and a better playmaker in San Antonio. Even at this stage in Randle's career I think he could still become a more polished player in the right environment.

If you need an infusion of talent at the 4 spot and you have the right leadership I would trade for him but as much as he could be a floor raiser for some teams I would be careful if you don't.
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Re: Randle Trade Value 

Post#65 » by SuperflyKnick » Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:36 am

theBigLip wrote:
SuperflyKnick wrote:Why would the Knicks trade an All-NBA player in Randle for lesser players ? He can frustrate you sometimes but with additions of OG , Donte , Brunson he doesn’t have to the focal point . The knicks are looking to add more talent . If Randle is your all NBA 3rd option next year that’s an amazing situation to be


Randle was an AllStar. Not sure if that’s happening again. No team should be trading for what he was, but for what he has left. And he’s coming off of surgery.



Shows how clueless people are … Randle was just an all-star this year 3 of the last 4 years along with 2 All NBA selections. He is 29 in his prime, work ethic , takes care of his body , one of the strongest guys in the league. He had a freak injury dislocation of shoulder not some acl tear. He is already in peak form and ready to go. He drops 24-10-5 every night , how many players do that ?
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Re: Randle Trade Value 

Post#66 » by theBigLip » Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:46 am

taikibansei wrote:
theBigLip wrote:
SuperflyKnick wrote:Why would the Knicks trade an All-NBA player in Randle for lesser players ? He can frustrate you sometimes but with additions of OG , Donte , Brunson he doesn’t have to the focal point . The knicks are looking to add more talent . If Randle is your all NBA 3rd option next year that’s an amazing situation to be


Randle was an AllStar. Not sure if that’s happening again. No team should be trading for what he was, but for what he has left. And he’s coming off of surgery.


It was a freak, non-career threatening injury, and it seems like Randle is going to be fine:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10122736-knicks-julius-randle-gives-shoulder-injury-update-says-hes-healing-up-great

Injuries suck, and we've had a lot of them the last few years. (Indeed, Randle's reputation for poor playoff performance is at least partly due to trying to play through injury in the past.) That said, Randle's in no way a big liability--he's just 29, a 3-time all-star with only two years left on a reasonable contract--why pay to dump him now? Unlike last fall (when he was apparently still injured to start the season and started slowly), Randle should be completely recovered before the next season starts. Paired with Brunson, Donte, Hart, OG (hopefully), etc., a healthy Randle should do quite well--to the point that we either want to keep him or can trade him for more than we can get now. And if not...keep him until he's an expiring contract (and worth more because of it).


Glad he is doing better (hated all the injuries that impacted this year’s playoffs). Most posters, myself included, value their team’s assets a little higher than others, so of course we will likely have a difference of opinion.

So as we’re trying to figure his value, it’s actually more of his contract, which is not a good fit for the Pistons (my perspective) or other mediocre cap teams. He’s got a player option for that last year which gives him too much leverage. A one year rental isn’t worth giving up assets for, and extending him when he has the leverage to walk is just ripe for an overpay.
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Re: Randle Trade Value 

Post#67 » by taikibansei » Wed Jun 19, 2024 2:54 am

theBigLip wrote:
taikibansei wrote:
theBigLip wrote:
Randle was an AllStar. Not sure if that’s happening again. No team should be trading for what he was, but for what he has left. And he’s coming off of surgery.


It was a freak, non-career threatening injury, and it seems like Randle is going to be fine:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10122736-knicks-julius-randle-gives-shoulder-injury-update-says-hes-healing-up-great

Injuries suck, and we've had a lot of them the last few years. (Indeed, Randle's reputation for poor playoff performance is at least partly due to trying to play through injury in the past.) That said, Randle's in no way a big liability--he's just 29, a 3-time all-star with only two years left on a reasonable contract--why pay to dump him now? Unlike last fall (when he was apparently still injured to start the season and started slowly), Randle should be completely recovered before the next season starts. Paired with Brunson, Donte, Hart, OG (hopefully), etc., a healthy Randle should do quite well--to the point that we either want to keep him or can trade him for more than we can get now. And if not...keep him until he's an expiring contract (and worth more because of it).


Glad he is doing better (hated all the injuries that impacted this year’s playoffs). Most posters, myself included, value their team’s assets a little higher than others, so of course we will likely have a difference of opinion.

So as we’re trying to figure his value, it’s actually more of his contract, which is not a good fit for the Pistons (my perspective) or other mediocre cap teams. He’s got a player option for that last year which gives him too much leverage. A one year rental isn’t worth giving up assets for, and extending him when he has the leverage to walk is just ripe for an overpay.


All good reasons not to trade for him. I personally don't think Randle will be traded. He actually fits in well with the current Knicks' squad, so I think the team (not just us fans) will continue to overvalue him. I.e., we're going to be poor trading partners for just about everyone for the near future. Oh, well.
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Re: Randle Trade Value 

Post#68 » by Hoops23 » Wed Jun 19, 2024 7:18 am

SuperflyKnick wrote:
theBigLip wrote:
SuperflyKnick wrote:Why would the Knicks trade an All-NBA player in Randle for lesser players ? He can frustrate you sometimes but with additions of OG , Donte , Brunson he doesn’t have to the focal point . The knicks are looking to add more talent . If Randle is your all NBA 3rd option next year that’s an amazing situation to be


Randle was an AllStar. Not sure if that’s happening again. No team should be trading for what he was, but for what he has left. And he’s coming off of surgery.



Shows how clueless people are … Randle was just an all-star this year 3 of the last 4 years along with 2 All NBA selections. He is 29 in his prime, work ethic , takes care of his body , one of the strongest guys in the league. He had a freak injury dislocation of shoulder not some acl tear. He is already in peak form and ready to go. He drops 24-10-5 every night , how many players do that ?

Yeah keep him. Many teams love him to finish his career as a Knicks.
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Re: Randle Trade Value 

Post#69 » by zimpy27 » Wed Jun 19, 2024 11:22 am

I don't think any team would value him other than the Bulls.


LaVine+FRP for Randle?
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Re: Randle Trade Value 

Post#70 » by Knickfan1982 » Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:02 am

zimpy27 wrote:I don't think any team would value him other than the Bulls.


LaVine+FRP for Randle?



Lavine makes a little too much to make this worth the risk. Assuming Randle doesn't have a disasterous up coming season he's likely to opt out of his last year making him an expiring deal. Lavine with his injury history probably won't opt out of his last season which means we would be on the hook for another 95 million after this season.
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Re: Randle Trade Value 

Post#71 » by jpengland » Thu Jun 20, 2024 7:01 am

Doesn’t he have one year left? And then you have to make a decision whether to pay him big all star level money for 4 or 5 years?

I’d be looking at him as an expiring, so maybe a late first for the right team.

It may be entirely unfair but I just don’t see him starting on a championship team, and I certainly want no part of a 35-45m per year four year extension.

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