Trey Murphy averages $28M

[jbk1234]

If anyone is “slighted” it’s Ingram right?

Jones got the money he could get. Meanwhile for Ingram two other forwards got sizable contracts while he remains unsigned.

To be clear, I think they paid the right two guys. Doubt Ingram sees it that way.

Ingram could get extended at a number higher than either player, perhaps at a number averaging what both of them make combined, but he wants $50M per. If he feels slighted, perhaps the issue isn't with the 30 teams in the NBA who don't see him as worth that.

[Snakebites]

If anyone is “slighted” it’s Ingram right?

Jones got the money he could get. Meanwhile for Ingram two other forwards got sizable contracts while he remains unsigned.

To be clear, I think they paid the right two guys. Doubt Ingram sees it that way.

Ingram could get extended at a number higher than either player, perhaps at a number averaging what both of them make combined, but he wants $50M per. If he feels slighted, perhaps the issue isn't with the 30 teams in the NBA who don't see him as worth that.

To be clear (and I thought I made this clear), I don't think Ingram has actually been slighted relative to what he actually contributes relative to what those two guys contribute.

But he might see it that way. And yes, he could feel slighted by all 30 NBA teams who correctly assess that he's not worth the 50 mill he was asking for.

[JMAC3]

Trey Murphy measured out 1.5" taller at the draft (6'7.5" to 6'6") and had a 5" longer wingspan (7' to 6'7"). Between that and Trey being more than a year younger, there's going to be some major valuation differences in a guy that can truly play 2-4 (Murphy) versus a guy that can play 2, and situationally 3 (Kispert).

That is fine, but we just saw Murphy average 11 ppg in a playoff series on 48 efg% without Zion. I just don't buy the story that getting rid of McCollum and Ingram all of sudden means Murphy jumps into this larger role. He played 42 mpg and shot 12 fga per game in a series where he had all the opportunity to step up. He doesn't have this super scalable game where more mins or usage means drastic jumps in production especially since he is already 24 yrs old.

Less skilled Harrison Barnes getting 30 mil to stand in the corner is wild.

At least with Sengun, Green or a Kuminga type of player it feels like there is a chance they emerge as a true #1 or #2 option on a good team.

If NO sends Trey to just stand in the corner every night, then yeah, it’ll be a bad contract. I really doubt they do so, though. I think they’re going to look at Treys season performance, and not just one poor playoff series, and feel like they can project a little better performance? Like, I think they probably feel like they can get a rather efficient 20/7-8 out of Trey with a positive impact defensively in the next couple years.

We probably won’t see Trey perform fully until Ingram is elsewhere, though.

20 ppg for a guy that shoots 70% of his fga from three seems unlikely.

[lordjeff05]

That is fine, but we just saw Murphy average 11 ppg in a playoff series on 48 efg% without Zion. I just don't buy the story that getting rid of McCollum and Ingram all of sudden means Murphy jumps into this larger role. He played 42 mpg and shot 12 fga per game in a series where he had all the opportunity to step up. He doesn't have this super scalable game where more mins or usage means drastic jumps in production especially since he is already 24 yrs old.

Less skilled Harrison Barnes getting 30 mil to stand in the corner is wild.

At least with Sengun, Green or a Kuminga type of player it feels like there is a chance they emerge as a true #1 or #2 option on a good team.

If NO sends Trey to just stand in the corner every night, then yeah, it’ll be a bad contract. I really doubt they do so, though. I think they’re going to look at Treys season performance, and not just one poor playoff series, and feel like they can project a little better performance? Like, I think they probably feel like they can get a rather efficient 20/7-8 out of Trey with a positive impact defensively in the next couple years.

We probably won’t see Trey perform fully until Ingram is elsewhere, though.

20 ppg for a guy that shoots 70% of his fga from three seems unlikely.

I agree about the general statement but want to push back on it specific to Trey. All of this is wit ha caveat that eventually BI will be moved. First off he averaged 18 points a game as a starter in March and April. So he wasn't all that far off of the production of 20 points a game already. Also what was particularly interesting about those last two months was that his free throw rate shot up after all star break relative to his numbers in January and February ( he balled out in to begin the season but that wasn't sustainable).

I don't see him shooting any more threes this year than he has before, but he will playing with more of a true point guard in Murray (and Jose), which should create more open looks. Also, if he continues to improve attacking the rim and drawing fouls 20 points a game is well within his reach. He has been really efficient in the paint, so there are opportunities there.

[gswhoops]

If anyone is “slighted” it’s Ingram right?

Jones got the money he could get. Meanwhile for Ingram two other forwards got sizable contracts while he remains unsigned.

To be clear, I think they paid the right two guys. Doubt Ingram sees it that way.

Ingram could get extended at a number higher than either player, perhaps at a number averaging what both of them make combined, but he wants $50M per. If he feels slighted, perhaps the issue isn't with the 30 teams in the NBA who don't see him as worth that.

I want a $1M annual salary, but no company will hire me for that amount. Clearly the problem is with all of them.

[JHFVF07]

For all we know, no team wants to part with desireable assets AND pay Ingram. It could change on the FA when all it will be needed is capspace. And Im pretty sure he feels slighted, those guys usually overvaluate their own value.

[Scoot McGroot]

For all we know, no team wants to part with desireable assets AND pay Ingram. It could change on the FA when all it will be needed is capspace. And Im pretty sure he feels slighted, those guys usually overvaluate their own value.

This is absolutely a key point. Money is one thing. Paying the valuation needed to get a NO to give up a useful player is another….. but having to do both? That’s tough for a player in that category that Ingram is in (really good, but fluke all star at best, similar to Tobias Harris when he re signed with Philly). But if a team just needs to spend the money and keep the assets/matching salary? That's different.