JJJ Supermax

[jayjaysee]

So the answer seems to be no. The Grizz won’t pay it if demanded. Ok. Good luck with that. Maybe it works and he is happy. Maybe he feels differently. We’ll see.

I’m still not clear how you can keep a team around that contract and Ja/Bane.

Okay.

So you think JJJ wouldn’t accept one dollar below the supermax. Despite there being over 100 million dollars in negotiation room… You see no wiggle room there at all.

Which is pretty interesting to me as an outsider.

But..

He is eligible for a 6yr368 total deal this summer. 23 million in 2025-2026 and 79 million in 2030-2031. 2030-2031 projecting to be 31% of the cap only*

How much do you think he demands to lock up a five year deal instead of a 6 year deal?

Do you think it’s 5yr290? Again, that’s about 50 million dollars more than anyone else can offer over the same 4 years… but that is the same total money as a 4yr 35% max Just Missing the last season where he counts as 31% of the cap.

Do you think it’s 5yr313? Which would be the same as signing a DPE this summer? And it’s 70 million more than anyone can offer.. And he’d be a free agent at age 30 when the cap projects to be 249 million? Which very likely results in him making more money than demanding a DPE next summer..

Or do you think there is actually no negotiation room? Just the full supermax or he plays out his contract and throws away up to 70 million dollars?

Just asking your opinion.

The answer is because he's working backwards from the result he wants (JJJ asking out) rather than assessing the situation at face value.

Yeah I wasted a lot of time typing that, I know.

[SNPA]

Okay.

So you think JJJ wouldn’t accept one dollar below the supermax. Despite there being over 100 million dollars in negotiation room… You see no wiggle room there at all.

Which is pretty interesting to me as an outsider.

But..

He is eligible for a 6yr368 total deal this summer. 23 million in 2025-2026 and 79 million in 2030-2031. 2030-2031 projecting to be 31% of the cap only*

How much do you think he demands to lock up a five year deal instead of a 6 year deal?

Do you think it’s 5yr290? Again, that’s about 50 million dollars more than anyone else can offer over the same 4 years… but that is the same total money as a 4yr 35% max Just Missing the last season where he counts as 31% of the cap.

Do you think it’s 5yr313? Which would be the same as signing a DPE this summer? And it’s 70 million more than anyone can offer.. And he’d be a free agent at age 30 when the cap projects to be 249 million? Which very likely results in him making more money than demanding a DPE next summer..

Or do you think there is actually no negotiation room? Just the full supermax or he plays out his contract and throws away up to 70 million dollars?

Just asking your opinion.

The answer is because he's working backwards from the result he wants (JJJ asking out) rather than assessing the situation at face value.

Yeah I wasted a lot of time typing that, I know.

lol. The assumption here is that JJJ is willing to negotiate down. Typically that’s not how nBA players do it. They generally want the most they can get. I understand he can get more there even if it’s sub the max, but why should he? My position would be look at my age and production…now pay me the max. I wouldn’t move off it till the last minute and it could make me want to pick a new destination. But yeah…maybe he isn’t money motivated.

[jayjaysee]

The answer is because he's working backwards from the result he wants (JJJ asking out) rather than assessing the situation at face value.

Yeah I wasted a lot of time typing that, I know.

lol. The assumption here is that JJJ is willing to negotiate down. Typically that’s not how nBA players do it. They generally want the most they can get. I understand he can get more there even if it’s sub the max, but why should he? My position would be look at my age and production…now pay me the max. I wouldn’t move off it till the last minute and it could make me want to pick a new destination. But yeah…maybe he isn’t money motivated.

I typed a lot. And hoped you respond to it.

It doesn’t matter to me really. He won’t end up in Dallas no matter how much I dream of it.

But I think he gets some number north of what anyone else can give him. And well below 5yr313 million. (Max that Memphis can give him in a renegotiate and extend)

[ReggiesKnicks]

The answer is because he's working backwards from the result he wants (JJJ asking out) rather than assessing the situation at face value.

Yeah I wasted a lot of time typing that, I know.

lol. The assumption here is that JJJ is willing to negotiate down. Typically that’s not how nBA players do it. They generally want the most they can get. I understand he can get more there even if it’s sub the max, but why should he? My position would be look at my age and production…now pay me the max. I wouldn’t move off it till the last minute and it could make me want to pick a new destination. But yeah…maybe he isn’t money motivated.

I don't mean to be rude but did you read my post?

I laid out the 4 options regarding the contract and as always with renegotiations, there is a chance or opportunity the player decides to leave for greener pastures.

I think what most people on this forum are saying is "Memphis can pay more than any other team, they cleared cap space seemingly to give JJJ more money than other teams and all indications are Memphis wants to retain JJJ."

You seem to be ignoring or misunderstanding what the choir is preaching in order to "go against the grain". I will say, in support of you, sometimes playing devil's advocate does generate high level discussion and high level of information sharing, which JayZ seems to have provided.

[QMemphis]

The answer is because he's working backwards from the result he wants (JJJ asking out) rather than assessing the situation at face value.

Yeah I wasted a lot of time typing that, I know.

lol. The assumption here is that JJJ is willing to negotiate down. Typically that’s not how nBA players do it. They generally want the most they can get. I understand he can get more there even if it’s sub the max, but why should he? My position would be look at my age and production…now pay me the max. I wouldn’t move off it till the last minute and it could make me want to pick a new destination. But yeah…maybe he isn’t money motivated.

What are you even talking about, you have to be young or very inexperienced with life because your rationale makes no sense. The guy Jaren who has had no issues being in Memphis and took literally the best value contract in the league now either wants the Supermax or he leaves.

You have ignored every reasonable response because you want to push a narrative that you decided to create. Either Jaren gets the SuperMax or he leaves lol. Then if you guys pay him the SuperMax you can’t afford to keep Ja and Des. Just stop wasting people time. If you want to propose a trade do it don’t create narratives out of very thin air.

[SNPA]

Yeah I wasted a lot of time typing that, I know.

lol. The assumption here is that JJJ is willing to negotiate down. Typically that’s not how nBA players do it. They generally want the most they can get. I understand he can get more there even if it’s sub the max, but why should he? My position would be look at my age and production…now pay me the max. I wouldn’t move off it till the last minute and it could make me want to pick a new destination. But yeah…maybe he isn’t money motivated.

What are you even talking about, you have to be young or very inexperienced with life because your rationale makes no sense. The guy Jaren who has had no issues being in Memphis and took literally the best value contract in the league now either wants the Supermax or he leaves.

You have ignored every reasonable response because you want to push a narrative that you decided to create. Either Jaren gets the SuperMax or he leaves lol. Then if you guys pay him the SuperMax you can’t afford to keep Ja and Des. Just stop wasting people time. If you want to propose a trade do it don’t create narratives out of very thin air.

lol. Little touchy.

My view is players will want the max possible. Wild idea.

[QMemphis]

lol. The assumption here is that JJJ is willing to negotiate down. Typically that’s not how nBA players do it. They generally want the most they can get. I understand he can get more there even if it’s sub the max, but why should he? My position would be look at my age and production…now pay me the max. I wouldn’t move off it till the last minute and it could make me want to pick a new destination. But yeah…maybe he isn’t money motivated.

What are you even talking about, you have to be young or very inexperienced with life because your rationale makes no sense. The guy Jaren who has had no issues being in Memphis and took literally the best value contract in the league now either wants the Supermax or he leaves.

You have ignored every reasonable response because you want to push a narrative that you decided to create. Either Jaren gets the SuperMax or he leaves lol. Then if you guys pay him the SuperMax you can’t afford to keep Ja and Des. Just stop wasting people time. If you want to propose a trade do it don’t create narratives out of very thin air.

lol. Little touchy.

My view is players will want the max possible. Wild idea.

You think my response is touchy because I called out what you were attempting to do. Your question has been answered in multiple ways yet you continually keep asking.

Better question is :

Why are you using your view instead of the actual players perspective?

[SNPA]

What are you even talking about, you have to be young or very inexperienced with life because your rationale makes no sense. The guy Jaren who has had no issues being in Memphis and took literally the best value contract in the league now either wants the Supermax or he leaves.

You have ignored every reasonable response because you want to push a narrative that you decided to create. Either Jaren gets the SuperMax or he leaves lol. Then if you guys pay him the SuperMax you can’t afford to keep Ja and Des. Just stop wasting people time. If you want to propose a trade do it don’t create narratives out of very thin air.

lol. Little touchy.

My view is players will want the max possible. Wild idea.

You think my response is touchy because I called out what you were attempting to do. Your question has been answered in multiple ways yet you continually keep asking.

Better question is :

Why are you using your view instead of the actual players perspective?

Good luck. Hopefully he signs for less and is happy. I’m a small market team fan. I just don’t see any reason why he would do that until the very end and I can see him not being happy about. If he thinks he earned a super max and the Grizzlies refuse to pay it, to think that might cause issues seems standard to me.

The Grizz have a real problem. How can they field a team with enough depth with JJJ/Ja/Bane?

[TheProfessor]

Jokic, SGA, Tatum, Giannis, Luka, KAT for sure. Then Lebron, Curry. Then he is in the mix with guys like Mitchell, Mobley, Brunson, Durant. Top 10 this years sucks cuz everyone is injured. ( AD, Wemby,) But still a top 10ish guy. Have him and Mobley neck and neck.

If the season stopped rn, I would vote JJJ as 2nd Team All-NBA. It's possible he'll fall to the 3rd team, but it's hard to see him not making All-NBA. He is still young enough to continue improving. That makes him top 10ish, at worst top 15ish.

I agree with those who talk about a negotiated extension, possibly with some terms around games played because his time lost to injury has been significant most seasons.

Are you talking about a player being Top 10 in a vacuum or Top 10 in a list of who you want to win a title?

Here are JJJ ranks this season

BPM: 30th
WS/48 (Favors big men and players on winning teams): 30th
EPM: 9th
LEBRON: 17th

I guess if you only used EPM he would be a Top 10 player on the season.

Not a fan of WS or BPM. Rather use LEBRON and EPM. When looking at Lebron, he is 16th, with a few injuries guys ahead of him AD, VW. Alot of tertiary players ahead of him like KP, Jarrett Allen, Garland. I have a hard time believing that 4 Cavs are better than JJJ. When taking all that into consideration, I think you have him around 11-12th, which again is 10ish.

[Texas Chuck]

As was pointed out even very flawed premises can generate some good discussion. And we got it. Lots of posters explained it in detail to the OP, but the OP isn't open to feedback in which case they shouldn't start threads and was starting to insult those people kind enough to help him understand positions are more nuanced than he wants to insist.

But at this point nothing more is to be gained from the thread. OP can walk away thinking only his perspective has any merits and other posters won't have to waste energy explaining the obvious that players value tens of millions of dollars and might not leave a sitiuation where he is happy because he doesn't get the most possible(if he even qualifies which isn't yet a given...)