15 Trade Concepts for Toronto’s Core Players (Poeltl, Quickley, Ingram, Barnes, Barrett)

[Godaddycurse]

I was exaggerating for effect. But these Poeltl evaluations seem crazy to me. Why would anyone give up Allen for him? Or Toppin? Hell Jarace Walker is more interesting to me, and we need another C more than another big wing.

I have Poeltl worth more than Toppin/Walker. The latter duo have not proven to be starter worthy while poeltl is a proven top 15 starting C

I disagree on that one. I think trade values are more about projecting guys to your team and I see a lot more value out of Obi & Jarace coming off our bench than I do Poeltl giving us protection against Mitch being hurt in the playoffs.

Even off the bench, Obi has proven he can be a difference maker in the playoffs & I’m a big Walker fan. So even for a rebuilding team I’d prefer the two Pacers.

Only scenario where I’d value Poeltl more would be if I had a team that just needed an average center to contend…someone like OKC before they brought in iHart or maybe the current Lakers.


But that’s at least debatable & I know I’m higher on some Indy players than the consensus; starting it off by flipping Poeltl for an allstar Center with the argument that Poeltl is better, otoh, is just wild.

conversely for toronto toppin and walker are worthless when we have barnes/cmb already, while poeltl is our only capable C.

In a vacuum though i have starters worth more due to supply/demand. In general there are many more bench forwards available than there are capable starting C's. LAL/Charlotte/Boston/GSW/Indiana etc all lack a starting caliber C. Just because Poeltl isnt useful to NYK doesnt make him worth less than walker/toppin to me

[wemby]

4. Poeltl → Spurs for Harrison Barnes, future protected 1st
Why: Spurs add a passing big to pair with Wemby; Raps clear cap with a vet spacer.
Cap: Significant savings long term.
Timing: Jan 2026 earliest.

9. Ingram + Agbaji → Spurs for Harrison Barnes, Devin Vassell, 1st
Why: Spurs land halfcourt scorer; Raps get 2-way wing, expiring vet, and pick.

13. Barnes + Agbaji → Spurs for Stephon Castle, Harrison Barnes, Keldon Johnson
Why: Spurs push now; Raps get lead guard prospect, salary flexibility.

Spurs pass on all three.
Trade 1: Spurs already have Wemby and Kornett at center, they don't need to pay a premium to create a logjam at C and further hurt spacing.
Trade 2: Ingram doesn't fit what the Spurs need, sure as hell there's no need to add a first on top.
Trade 3: Barnes is a good player but doesn't really solve the spacing problem and I'll take my chances with 20 year old Castle on a rookie contract over 24 year old Barnes making 25% of the cap.

[cgf]

I have Poeltl worth more than Toppin/Walker. The latter duo have not proven to be starter worthy while poeltl is a proven top 15 starting C

I disagree on that one. I think trade values are more about projecting guys to your team and I see a lot more value out of Obi & Jarace coming off our bench than I do Poeltl giving us protection against Mitch being hurt in the playoffs.

Even off the bench, Obi has proven he can be a difference maker in the playoffs & I’m a big Walker fan. So even for a rebuilding team I’d prefer the two Pacers.

Only scenario where I’d value Poeltl more would be if I had a team that just needed an average center to contend…someone like OKC before they brought in iHart or maybe the current Lakers.


But that’s at least debatable & I know I’m higher on some Indy players than the consensus; starting it off by flipping Poeltl for an allstar Center with the argument that Poeltl is better, otoh, is just wild.

conversely for toronto toppin and walker are worthless when we have barnes/cmb already, while poeltl is our only capable C.

In a vacuum though i have starters worth more due to supply/demand. In general there are many more bench forwards available than there are capable starting C's. LAL/Charlotte/Boston/GSW/Indiana etc all lack a starting caliber C. Just because Poeltl isnt useful to NYK doesnt make him worth less than walker/toppin to me

I'm not sure how many teams other than Toronto, LAL, and maybe GSW would want Poeltl. Like I said, ignoring positional needs, I'm more interested in Obi and Jarace, but I think Walker is very interesting and Obi is one of the best bench sparkplugs in the league right now...who came up huge for Indy repeatedly during the playoffs playing next to Siakam.

[zimpy27]

When did Poeltl become an All NBA guy?

And why is Detroit the team adding to a Barnes - Ausar swap?

I mean these values are all over the place. He has Poeltl for Allen straight up but thinks Toronto needs to add Agbaji to get two negative pieces from Portland.

And basically none of these took the other team particularly into account.

I wouldn't take this OP with value this sporadic and assert an overvaluation of a player that he salary dumps in other deals...

Raps get RW3, Thybulle
Cavs get Poeltl
Portland get Allen, Agbaji

Perfect

[PistolPeteJR]

I had to read the first proposal three times before realizing I wasn't missing anything.

Idk how Poeltl lands you Jarrett Allen in a straight swap. 2K won't even allow it unless you turn the sliders completely in your favour.

[Mr Swagtastic]

When did Poeltl become an All NBA guy?

And why is Detroit the team adding to a Barnes - Ausar swap?

I mean these values are all over the place. He has Poeltl for Allen straight up but thinks Toronto needs to add Agbaji to get two negative pieces from Portland.

And basically none of these took the other team particularly into account.

I wouldn't take this OP with value this sporadic and assert an overvaluation of a player that he salary dumps in other deals...

Raps get RW3, Thybulle
Cavs get Poeltl
Portland get Allen, Agbaji

Perfect

I don't see why Toronto does that Williams is as injury prone as any player in the league he's not a starter and Toronto doesn't have anybody else to start. Thybulle is okay maybe a better defensive Agbaji but worse offensive one. Sure cap savings are nice but Toronto isn't in a position to sign anybody of note next year and aren't bad enough to openly tank for a top pick

Portland it's stealing massive amounts of value here

[sca]

Where is this "Siakam didn't want to play with Poeltl" talk coming from? Because they had great chemistry while playing for the Raptors.

Net Rating for the Siakam-Poeltl pairing:

2017-18: +9.1 (1090 minutes) (Team NetRtg: +7.9)
2022-23: +8.5 (647 minutes) (Team NetRtg: +1.5)
2023-24: -2.2 (874 minutes) (Team NetRtg: -6.4)

Net Rating for the Siakam-Turner pairing:
2023-24: +4.3 (839 minutes) (Team NetRtg: +3.0)
2024-25: +7.7 (1547 minutes) (Team NetRtg: +2.2)

[Scoot McGroot]

Where is this "Siakam didn't want to play with Poeltl" talk coming from? Because they had great chemistry while playing for the Raptors.

Net Rating for the Siakam-Poeltl pairing:

2017-18: +9.1 (1090 minutes) (Team NetRtg: +7.9)
2022-23: +8.5 (647 minutes) (Team NetRtg: +1.5)
2023-24: -2.2 (874 minutes) (Team NetRtg: -6.4)

Net Rating for the Siakam-Turner pairing:
2023-24: +4.3 (839 minutes) (Team NetRtg: +3.0)
2024-25: +7.7 (1547 minutes) (Team NetRtg: +2.2)

It came from Siakam and his people. He specifically felt playing with an interior based center like Poeltl was hamstringing his style of play, and wanted to play with centers that stretched the floor/opened the lane. Lots and lots of reports and writeups around the trade from national and local guys, both Indy and Toronto based.

He likes Jakob personally. And he obviously still produced. But he wanted away from that style of C and pushed for Indy over other teams that also offered a solid PG and max contract extension, but a center that didn’t realistically stretch the floor like Myles/Indy like Sacramento.

[Wizop]

A big reason Siakam is with Indy is because he felt that playing with Poeltl restricted his game. Can’t imagine Indy pays a premium to acquire him now?

and the trade gives us five centers. I can't imagine trading for a center without moving one of the four we have now.

[mcfly1204]

The first trade is DOA, all that it presents to the Cavs is a step backwards.