Kevin Love - Every team's best offer

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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#101 » by AQuintus » Mon May 19, 2014 3:48 am

Trader_Joe wrote:My least favorite would be LA easily...if they keep #6
You are putting all your eggs in one basket, and if that one pick is a bust you've sent your team back for some time IMO.


Getting the 6 and jettisoning salary would still be better in my mind than having to take on Lee's salary in order to get a fairly mediocre role-player SG and draft bust SF.

I definitely hear what you're saying about Chandler and the Houston offer, though. It would likely be similar to the GS offer, which IMO is not that good. I'd still take Parsons over Thompson since he's clearly the better overall player, but really, neither is more than "just another guy" in the grand scheme of things, and ideally neither should be the centerpiece for a star.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#102 » by the_process » Mon May 19, 2014 3:48 am

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Dr Positivity wrote:Yeah one of the ways to argue against HOU trading everything for Love, is they could sign Carmelo instead while keeping Parsons and Bev. Would require dumping Asik and Lin. Don't think that's a problem for Asik, I see him having an under the cap taker around the league, not to mention NY might just S&T for him (they won't for Lin with Dolan thing). As for Lin, even if a taker straight up isn't found, a deal like Lin and Jones for capspace is prob a cinch

Melo, Parsons, Bev is a better team than Love and a gutted roster. But nowhere near the longevity. Interesting dilemma.


On a general level I think Houston simply runs into too much of a usage problem this way and defensively remains devastatingly bad even with Dwight, Miami got away with this because those 3 are all plus defenders, so even though the big 3 setup basically neutered Chris Bosh's offense it still worked.

Unfortunately for Houston, a Melo / Harden / Dwight setup seems likely to seriously blow into one of their offense, and probably either Melo or Harden, and both player's value hinges almost entirely in that department.

This is why I feel they might simply be better off trading Harden for Love, yeah that probably means they need to count on Lin to make plays which can be scary, but as we've seen it's not like Harden forcing the plays in the playoff is a great solution either.


HOU gets Love, 32, 54
MIN gets Jones, Harden, Parsons, 25
PHI gets Asik, Lin, Motiejunas, 13

HOU then should have enough cap space to sign Melo outright. Even though they are overpaying Minny it facilitates them clearing room for Melo so it works, assuming that they know they can sign Melo upon acquiring Love and need to dump all those players to clear the room.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#103 » by Br0ken_Sp0ke » Mon May 19, 2014 4:17 am

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RollingWave wrote:
Dr Positivity wrote:Yeah one of the ways to argue against HOU trading everything for Love, is they could sign Carmelo instead while keeping Parsons and Bev. Would require dumping Asik and Lin. Don't think that's a problem for Asik, I see him having an under the cap taker around the league, not to mention NY might just S&T for him (they won't for Lin with Dolan thing). As for Lin, even if a taker straight up isn't found, a deal like Lin and Jones for capspace is prob a cinch

Melo, Parsons, Bev is a better team than Love and a gutted roster. But nowhere near the longevity. Interesting dilemma.


On a general level I think Houston simply runs into too much of a usage problem this way and defensively remains devastatingly bad even with Dwight, Miami got away with this because those 3 are all plus defenders, so even though the big 3 setup basically neutered Chris Bosh's offense it still worked.

Unfortunately for Houston, a Melo / Harden / Dwight setup seems likely to seriously blow into one of their offense, and probably either Melo or Harden, and both player's value hinges almost entirely in that department.

This is why I feel they might simply be better off trading Harden for Love, yeah that probably means they need to count on Lin to make plays which can be scary, but as we've seen it's not like Harden forcing the plays in the playoff is a great solution either.


HOU gets Love, 32, 54
MIN gets Jones, Harden, Parsons, 25
PHI gets Asik, Lin, Motiejunas, 13

HOU then should have enough cap space to sign Melo outright. Even though they are overpaying Minny it facilitates them clearing room for Melo so it works, assuming that they know they can sign Melo upon acquiring Love and need to dump all those players to clear the room.


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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#104 » by BossHoggin » Mon May 19, 2014 4:20 am

sportscrazy wrote:Kevin Love and filler to GS
Pekovic and Barnes to Cleveland
Thompson, Lee and assets to Minney

With fillers going all around to even it out.
assets better be coming from GS.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#105 » by microfib4thewin » Mon May 19, 2014 4:32 am

criteriado wrote:Love wants a trade now (to a team that he likes) because he wants a 5 year 100 mill deal. You can't get that deal if you don't have his bird rights.


Love would have to agree to an extension as part of the trade. No team is going to risk their assets based on a verbal agreement.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#106 » by 510TWSS » Mon May 19, 2014 4:34 am

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Trader_Joe wrote:My least favorite would be LA easily...if they keep #6
You are putting all your eggs in one basket, and if that one pick is a bust you've sent your team back for some time IMO.


Getting the 6 and jettisoning salary would still be better in my mind than having to take on Lee's salary in order to get a fairly mediocre role-player SG and draft bust SF.

I definitely hear what you're saying about Chandler and the Houston offer, though. It would likely be similar to the GS offer, which IMO is not that good. I'd still take Parsons over Thompson since he's clearly the better overall player, but really, neither is more than "just another guy" in the grand scheme of things, and ideally neither should be the centerpiece for a star.


I get it if you wouldn't like Klay since he has one cheap year left on his current deal. But he's far from mediocre as a player. Putting offense aside, he's a legitimate defender at the 2 guard with great size at 6'7''. He'd be a nice start and one Golden State would be loathe to give up in a deal. You may cite PER or whatever box score stat, but he has turned himself into more than just a shooter. His ability to play excellent defense on the opposing team's best perimeter defender and shoulder a heavy scoring load is nothing to scoff at. Yes, you may not like him in a Love package, but Klay would be an excellent starting piece in a deal. But, like I said in reality Minnesota's front office may want an asset who is cost controlled a bit longer.

I'm not sure we'd have the picks and expiring deals you may want as well. Bummer, Love would look great in Blue and Gold.

The combination of assets I'd be willing to part with to land Love:

Lee - I would also attempt to find a third team who might offer an expiring deal, but that might not be too fruitful an endeavor.

Draymond Green - Again, not a box score stuffer but your fan base will soon love him. Great defender and intangible guy off the bench.

Harrison Barnes - Hasn't had the best start to his pro career, but like his apologists like to say, he's still only 22 with a ton of athletic potential. He may or may not have played through nagging injuries to start the year.

Klay Thompson - Would be considered the centerpiece of a deal. Could be a top 3-5 shooting guard as soon as next year with the way he was attacking the basket off the dribble after the all star game. Plus defender and good locker room guy.

2015 1st Rounder - Will have to be traded post draft. Most likely a mid 20's selection.

Feztus Ezeli, Ognen Kuzmic, Nemanja Nedovic - Young players to add sweeteners. Ezeli being the best of this bunch, but was out all of last year.

GSW would try and push for a Lee + Barnes + 2015 1st package. I would be willing to add Dray to that group, but if you're asking for Klay at minimum i'd offer Lee + Klay + 2015 1st. If they say no, well hey at least we tried.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#107 » by azwfan » Mon May 19, 2014 4:42 am

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AQuintus wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:My least favorite would be LA easily...if they keep #6
You are putting all your eggs in one basket, and if that one pick is a bust you've sent your team back for some time IMO.


Getting the 6 and jettisoning salary would still be better in my mind than having to take on Lee's salary in order to get a fairly mediocre role-player SG and draft bust SF.

I definitely hear what you're saying about Chandler and the Houston offer, though. It would likely be similar to the GS offer, which IMO is not that good. I'd still take Parsons over Thompson since he's clearly the better overall player, but really, neither is more than "just another guy" in the grand scheme of things, and ideally neither should be the centerpiece for a star.


I get it if you wouldn't like Klay since he has one cheap year left on his current deal. But he's far from mediocre as a player. Putting offense aside, he's a legitimate defender at the 2 guard with great size at 6'7''. He'd be a nice start and one Golden State would be loathe to give up in a deal. You may cite PER or whatever box score stat, but he has turned himself into more than just a shooter. His ability to play excellent defense on the opposing team's best perimeter defender and shoulder a heavy scoring load is nothing to scoff at. Yes, you may not like him in a Love package, but Klay would be an excellent starting piece in a deal. But, like I said in reality Minnesota's front office may want an asset who is cost controlled a bit longer.

I'm not sure we'd have the picks and expiring deals you may want as well. Bummer, Love would look great in Blue and Gold.

The combination of assets I'd be willing to part with to land Love:

Lee - I would also attempt to find a third team who might offer an expiring deal, but that might not be too fruitful an endeavor.

Draymond Green - Again, not a box score stuffer but your fan base will soon love him. Great defender and intangible guy off the bench.

Harrison Barnes - Hasn't had the best start to his pro career, but like his apologists like to say, he's still only 22 with a ton of athletic potential. He may or may not have played through nagging injuries to start the year.

Klay Thompson - Would be considered the centerpiece of a deal. Could be a top 3-5 shooting guard as soon as next year with the way he was attacking the basket off the dribble after the all star game. Plus defender and good locker room guy.

2015 1st Rounder - Will have to be traded post draft. Most likely a mid 20's selection.

Feztus Ezeli, Ognen Kuzmic, Nemanja Nedovic - Young players to add sweeteners. Ezeli being the best of this bunch, but was out all of last year.

GSW would try and push for a Lee + Barnes + 2015 1st package. I would be willing to add Dray to that group, but if you're asking for Klay at minimum i'd offer Lee + Klay + 2015 1st. If they say no, well hey at least we tried.


The only thing i'd add to this is we have the ability to take on an unwanted contract if Minnesota sees value in that... and i'd be willing to add that to either of the two deals you proposed.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#108 » by Phystic » Mon May 19, 2014 4:50 am

Suns fan here.

If Love is not extended then the value of any offer is going to be greatly diminished. I would think the Suns would probably stop at Morris brothers, #14 and #18 for a nonextended Kevin Love.

If by some miracle an extension was worked out then Suns would probably add much more(Len, Lakers 2015 1st, hell maybe even Bledsoe)
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#109 » by LarsV8 » Mon May 19, 2014 5:08 am

Looks like Boston has the best package from a neutral perspective, but really going to come down Minny's preference.

Offers are, as I expected, not all that great, but it is what it is.
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Post#110 » by Note30 » Mon May 19, 2014 5:20 am

Speaking as a Wolves fan. I think the only reasonable destinations for Love provided there is a signed extension is:

Boston (Sullinger, Bradley, Bass, #5 for Love and Budinger)
Chicago (Butler, Mirotic and #16, #19, 2015 Bulls and Sacramento first)
Phoenix (2015 Lakers first, #14, #18, 2015 1st Phoenix, Bledsoe, Markieff Morris for Love + Martin)
Denver (# 11, 2015 1st Denver, Faried, Gallinari for Love + Martin)
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Post#111 » by JDLAW » Mon May 19, 2014 5:20 am

Ian Kognitow wrote:Suns offer:
Both Morriii, #14/27 2014, LAL pick 2015


No they do not.
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Post#112 » by JDLAW » Mon May 19, 2014 5:22 am

Note30 wrote:Speaking as a Wolves fan. I think the only reasonable destinations for Love provided there is a signed extension is:

Boston (Sullinger, Bradley, Bass, #5 for Love and Budinger)
Chicago (Butler, Mirotic and #16, #19, 2015 Bulls and Sacramento first)
Phoenix (2015 Lakers first, #14, #18, 2015 1st Phoenix, Bledsoe, Markieff Morris for Love + Martin)
Denver (# 11, 2015 1st Denver, Faried, Gallinari for Love + Martin)


Suns have no interest in Martin and are not giving up all of this for Love. It basically turns Phoenix into Minnesota.
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Post#113 » by Note30 » Mon May 19, 2014 5:24 am

You don't want a superstar on an extension (5 years) for some picks, one role player and Bledsoe?
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JDLAW wrote:
Note30 wrote:Speaking as a Wolves fan. I think the only reasonable destinations for Love provided there is a signed extension is:

Boston (Sullinger, Bradley, Bass, #5 for Love and Budinger)
Chicago (Butler, Mirotic and #16, #19, 2015 Bulls and Sacramento first)
Phoenix (2015 Lakers first, #14, #18, 2015 1st Phoenix, Bledsoe, Markieff Morris for Love + Martin)
Denver (# 11, 2015 1st Denver, Faried, Gallinari for Love + Martin)


Suns have no interest in Martin and are not giving up all of this for Love. It basically turns Phoenix into Minnesota.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#114 » by wwoaustin » Mon May 19, 2014 5:33 am

If Love would truly agree to an extension with the Bulls would the Wolves consider this package?

Rights to Mirotic
Snell
2014 16th Pick
2014 19th Pick
Boozer (expiring deal)

Optional:
Dunleavy (expiring deal)
Conditional Kings 1st Rd Pick 2015 (protected 1-10 2015,2016,2017)

FOR

Love
Brewer

The key piece would be convincing Mirotic, who appears to be a top 5 talent right now in Europe, to come to Minnesota. The Wolves do have a former teammate of his in Rubio and a fellow countryman in Pekovic though.

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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#115 » by DiamondParoxysm » Mon May 19, 2014 5:35 am

Sac offers:

2014 1st rounder (#7 probably & trade the selection)
2015 1st rounder (If top 10)
2018 1st rounder (unprotected)
Ben McLemore
Reggie Evans
Travis Outlaw
Jason Terry

for

Kevin Love

Yes this is the best the Kings can do without giving up DeMarcus Cousins. Yep pretty sad. Also, we wouldn't be able to trade Gay to Minny unless he opts in & signs the deal.
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Post#116 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Mon May 19, 2014 5:43 am

DiamondParoxysm wrote:Sac offers:

2014 1st rounder (#7 probably & trade the selection)
2015 1st rounder (If top 10)
2018 1st rounder (unprotected)
Ben McLemore
Reggie Evans
Travis Outlaw
Jason Terry

for

Kevin Love

Yes this is the best the Kings can do without giving up DeMarcus Cousins. Yep pretty sad. Also, we wouldn't be able to trade Gay to Minny unless he opts in & signs the deal.


Depends how one feels about McLemore and the difference between 5 and 7, but it's not much worse than the Celtics offer IMO. Certainly not a bad offer. No chance Love re-signs though IMO.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#117 » by DiamondParoxysm » Mon May 19, 2014 5:47 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
DiamondParoxysm wrote:Sac offers:

2014 1st rounder (#7 probably & trade the selection)
2015 1st rounder (If top 10)
2018 1st rounder (unprotected)
Ben McLemore
Reggie Evans
Travis Outlaw
Jason Terry

for

Kevin Love

Yes this is the best the Kings can do without giving up DeMarcus Cousins. Yep pretty sad. Also, we wouldn't be able to trade Gay to Minny unless he opts in & signs the deal.


Depends how one feels about McLemore and the difference between 5 and 7, but it's not much worse than the Celtics offer IMO. Certainly not a bad offer. No chance Love re-signs though IMO.

He most likely wouldnt re-sign, but if they win maybe he would. You never know. Nobody thought Chris Webber would last.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#118 » by LoyalKing » Mon May 19, 2014 5:50 am

DiamondParoxysm wrote:Sac offers:

2014 1st rounder (#7 probably & trade the selection)
2015 1st rounder (If top 10)
2018 1st rounder (unprotected)
Ben McLemore
Reggie Evans
Travis Outlaw
Jason Terry

for

Kevin Love

Yes this is the best the Kings can do without giving up DeMarcus Cousins. Yep pretty sad. Also, we wouldn't be able to trade Gay to Minny unless he opts in & signs the deal.


0 chance SAC offers it.

Love is a bad fit ! We need someone like Ibaka or Favors to play with Demarcus.

Love would never play in Sacramento. It's simply too much for a 1 year rental.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#119 » by DiamondParoxysm » Mon May 19, 2014 5:54 am

LoyalKing wrote:
DiamondParoxysm wrote:Sac offers:

2014 1st rounder (#7 probably & trade the selection)
2015 1st rounder (If top 10)
2018 1st rounder (unprotected)
Ben McLemore
Reggie Evans
Travis Outlaw
Jason Terry

for

Kevin Love

Yes this is the best the Kings can do without giving up DeMarcus Cousins. Yep pretty sad. Also, we wouldn't be able to trade Gay to Minny unless he opts in & signs the deal.


0 chance SAC offers it.

Love is a bad fit ! We need someone like Ibaka or Favors to play with Demarcus.

Love would never play in Sacramento. It's simply too much for a 1 year rental.

But if he accepted an extension, then hell yeah.

I agree though.
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Re: Kevin Love - Every team's best offer 

Post#120 » by bondom34 » Mon May 19, 2014 6:21 am

Just to add, a Wolves blog wrote a decent piece ranking teams by odds of trading for Love and what assets they could give:
http://www.canishoopus.com/2014/5/18/57 ... rade-guide
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