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Laimbeer wrote:Might the Sixers punt until next summer? If Embiid buys in, trade Simmons for picks and maybe icky expirings. Then go after a top drawer free agent (probably named Bradley) in 2022.
It would probably be an easier deal to make.
NYSixersFan wrote:
the plan is to get as good as quickly as possible....I fully believe we could have been a borderline playoff team last year by adding young veterans....using or draft picks and cap space.....can I specifically tell you who? no.
Village Idiot wrote:Why would Embiid sign off on that? Why would he punt on a season at this stage of his career. Why should he be loyal to a dysfunctional team?Laimbeer wrote:Might the Sixers punt until next summer? If Embiid buys in, trade Simmons for picks and maybe icky expirings. Then go after a top drawer free agent (probably named Bradley) in 2022.
It would probably be an easier deal to make.
I wonder how long until Embiid publicly demands a trade?
NYSixersFan wrote:
the plan is to get as good as quickly as possible....I fully believe we could have been a borderline playoff team last year by adding young veterans....using or draft picks and cap space.....can I specifically tell you who? no.
Village Idiot wrote:Why would Embiid sign off on that? Why would he punt on a season at this stage of his career. Why should he be loyal to a dysfunctional team?Laimbeer wrote:Might the Sixers punt until next summer? If Embiid buys in, trade Simmons for picks and maybe icky expirings. Then go after a top drawer free agent (probably named Bradley) in 2022.
It would probably be an easier deal to make.
I wonder how long until Embiid publicly demands a trade?
They're untouchable in a Simmons trade because their presence, and ability to play away from the basket, is the only way to make a Simmons trade work for the Cavs.LarsV8 wrote:[/list]jbk1234 wrote:]Right, and based on reporting, the Cavs aren't interested enough to include Mobley or Garland.
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This is really the only thing I have seen.
https://cavsnation.com/cavs-rumors-cleveland-willing-to-give-up-insane-trade-package-for-ben-simmons/
Close to untouchable but not untouchable.
I said nothing about a CJ for Simmons trade. What I quoted a couple of posts ago was that it looks like the most Portland is offering is McCollum straight up. If Morey was satisfied with that offer it probably would have happened by now. It's also clear Morey hasn't received an offer he like or Simmons would be gone.BullyKing wrote:Village Idiot wrote:Why would Embiid sign off on that? Why would he punt on a season at this stage of his career. Why should he be loyal to a dysfunctional team?Laimbeer wrote:Might the Sixers punt until next summer? If Embiid buys in, trade Simmons for picks and maybe icky expirings. Then go after a top drawer free agent (probably named Bradley) in 2022.
It would probably be an easier deal to make.
I wonder how long until Embiid publicly demands a trade?
Because Embiid is smart and if the only other option is literally trading Simmons straight for McCollum, he knows that's a road to absolutely nowhere. But go on inventing narratives that lead to your team getting Simmons for nothing.
I mean it's much more likely Lillard asks out when the Blazers refuse to acquire Simmons for fifty cents on the dollar by refusing to offer more than a nickel.
Village Idiot wrote:FWIW the Blazers best beat writer, Jason Quick at The Athletic, added this tidbit on Portland's thinking about Simmons in a piece on LillardWhether that means a pursuit of Philadelphia’s Ben Simmons — the Blazers are interested at a one-for-one price — or a deal to beat the Feb. 10 trade deadline remains to be seen.
so CJ straight up for Simmons must be the Blazers offer
BullyKing wrote:Village Idiot wrote:Why would Embiid sign off on that? Why would he punt on a season at this stage of his career. Why should he be loyal to a dysfunctional team?Laimbeer wrote:Might the Sixers punt until next summer? If Embiid buys in, trade Simmons for picks and maybe icky expirings. Then go after a top drawer free agent (probably named Bradley) in 2022.
It would probably be an easier deal to make.
I wonder how long until Embiid publicly demands a trade?
Because Embiid is smart and if the only other option is literally trading Simmons straight for McCollum, he knows that's a road to absolutely nowhere.
shrink wrote:Village Idiot wrote:FWIW the Blazers best beat writer, Jason Quick at The Athletic, added this tidbit on Portland's thinking about Simmons in a piece on LillardWhether that means a pursuit of Philadelphia’s Ben Simmons — the Blazers are interested at a one-for-one price — or a deal to beat the Feb. 10 trade deadline remains to be seen.
so CJ straight up for Simmons must be the Blazers offer
I appreciate it when posters share actual reporting.
Brian Windhorst said a couple weeks ago if PHI offered Simmons for CJ straight up, he thought POR might turn it down. He added that he doesn’t think POR has reached the point that they would trade CJ, and if they did put him on the market, other teams may offer something that’s a better fit for the Trailblazers.
shrink wrote:BullyKing wrote:Village Idiot wrote:Why would Embiid sign off on that? Why would he punt on a season at this stage of his career. Why should he be loyal to a dysfunctional team?
I wonder how long until Embiid publicly demands a trade?
Because Embiid is smart and if the only other option is literally trading Simmons straight for McCollum, he knows that's a road to absolutely nowhere.
Doesn’t that make Embiid asking for a trade more likely, instead of staying on that “road to absolutely nowhere?”
It seems you are assuming there is some team out there that wants to give a superstar return for Ben, and that Embiid will wait forever on that chance.
NYSixersFan wrote:
the plan is to get as good as quickly as possible....I fully believe we could have been a borderline playoff team last year by adding young veterans....using or draft picks and cap space.....can I specifically tell you who? no.
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BullyKing wrote:shrink wrote:BullyKing wrote:
Because Embiid is smart and if the only other option is literally trading Simmons straight for McCollum, he knows that's a road to absolutely nowhere.
Doesn’t that make Embiid asking for a trade more likely, instead of staying on that “road to absolutely nowhere?”
It seems you are assuming there is some team out there that wants to give a superstar return for Ben, and that Embiid will wait forever on that chance.
Yes, because waiting until the trade deadline or next offseason is the same thing as "forever."
Texas Chuck wrote:For instance, all the Dallas reporters are "reporting" that KP looks great and is going to have a huge season under Kidd.
Do we all just believe that? I sure hope not.
Ballerhogger wrote:shrink wrote:Village Idiot wrote:FWIW the Blazers best beat writer, Jason Quick at The Athletic, added this tidbit on Portland's thinking about Simmons in a piece on Lillard
so CJ straight up for Simmons must be the Blazers offer
I appreciate it when posters share actual reporting.
Brian Windhorst said a couple weeks ago if PHI offered Simmons for CJ straight up, he thought POR might turn it down. He added that he doesn’t think POR has reached the point that they would trade CJ, and if they did put him on the market, other teams may offer something that’s a better fit for the Trailblazers.
they need defense ben covers that quite well.... i mean i wonder what cj market value is?
BullyKing wrote:shrink wrote:BullyKing wrote:
Because Embiid is smart and if the only other option is literally trading Simmons straight for McCollum, he knows that's a road to absolutely nowhere.
Doesn’t that make Embiid asking for a trade more likely, instead of staying on that “road to absolutely nowhere?”
It seems you are assuming there is some team out there that wants to give a superstar return for Ben, and that Embiid will wait forever on that chance.
Yes, because waiting until the trade deadline or next offseason is the same thing as "forever."
shrink wrote:Ballerhogger wrote:shrink wrote:I appreciate it when posters share actual reporting.
Brian Windhorst said a couple weeks ago if PHI offered Simmons for CJ straight up, he thought POR might turn it down. He added that he doesn’t think POR has reached the point that they would trade CJ, and if they did put him on the market, other teams may offer something that’s a better fit for the Trailblazers.
they need defense ben covers that quite well.... i mean i wonder what cj market value is?
Ben is a great defensive player, but he has some massive liabilities too.
1. Shooting
2. Confidence to take shots under pressure.
3. Ability/desire to Improve.
4. Now, he’s shown he may not honor his contract on his next team if he gets frustrated - money doesn’t matter to him.
He’s on a max deal, and GM’s need to assess risk. The Trade Board consensus is higher than what the national consensus seems to be. These things make me wonder what Ben’s market value is, too.
shrink wrote:Ballerhogger wrote:shrink wrote:I appreciate it when posters share actual reporting.
Brian Windhorst said a couple weeks ago if PHI offered Simmons for CJ straight up, he thought POR might turn it down. He added that he doesn’t think POR has reached the point that they would trade CJ, and if they did put him on the market, other teams may offer something that’s a better fit for the Trailblazers.
they need defense ben covers that quite well.... i mean i wonder what cj market value is?
Ben is a great defensive player, but he has some massive liabilities too.
1. Shooting
2. Confidence to take shots under pressure.
3. Ability/desire to Improve.
4. Now, he’s shown he may not honor his contract on his next team if he gets frustrated - money doesn’t matter to him.
He’s on a max deal, and GM’s need to assess risk. The Trade Board consensus is higher than what the national consensus seems to be. These things make me wonder what Ben’s market value is, too.
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