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[kobe_vs_jordan]

If Ainge is smart he goes for Cousins not Griffin

Crowder, 2017 Brooklyn pick, Smart
for
Cousins, Gay, Collison

Horford - Cousins is a nice duo

That'd be quite the sweep for Boston.

Think the word you looking for is robbery. Cousins worth more.

[MoneyTalks41890]

To be clear, the BKN pick is swap rights right? So if SAC acquired that how would it interact with the swap rights Philly has? And largely would just be musical chairs in the lotto, yes?

[cl2117]

To be clear, the BKN pick is swap rights right? So if SAC acquired that how would it interact with the swap rights Philly has? And largely would just be musical chairs in the lotto, yes?

If I understand it correctly, Boston has swap rights on the BKN pick, if they trade their own 2017 pick to SAC the swap rights will follow.

It shouldn't have anything to do with the other picks/swaps SAC has going on. Boston would get no pick, SAC gets BKN's pick and BKN gets Boston's pick.

[Depalma2002]

To be clear, the BKN pick is swap rights right? So if SAC acquired that how would it interact with the swap rights Philly has? And largely would just be musical chairs in the lotto, yes?

If I understand it correctly, Boston has swap rights on the BKN pick, if they trade their own 2017 pick to SAC the swap rights will follow.

It shouldn't have anything to do with the other picks/swaps SAC has going on. Boston would get no pick, SAC gets BKN's pick and BKN gets Boston's pick.

Also, if Boston does trade its pick (with the swap rights) and the Kings exercise the swap rights, Boston would still need to compensate Brooklyn with the Boston 2nd (protected 31-45) which is one of the swap conditions. That obligation would remain with Boston.

[Birdie]

I just don't get Blake to BOS tho when it only setups the same scenario Horford was in with Milsap. What about something like this deal?

BOS receives: DJ

LAC receive: Gay/Koufos + pick(s)

SAC receives: 2017 BK pick + Jerebko or Olynyk or Bradley or Amir (for $$$ matching purposes) + other filler 2nd's?

Something along those lines? BOS cashes in some of their 10,000 picks without gutting their roster, and salaries/contract years get shuffled along, Horford can play PF, Clips get a living SF and cheaper C and SAC basically plays facilitator by picking up potential Top 3 pick and salary dump.

[cl2117]

I just don't get Blake to BOS tho when it only setups the same scenario Horford was in with Milsap. What about something like this deal?

BOS receives: DJ

LAC receive: Gay/Koufos + pick(s)

SAC receives: 2017 BK pick + Jerebko or Olynyk or Bradley or Amir (for $$$ matching purposes) + other filler 2nd's?

Something along those lines? BOS cashes in some of their 10,000 picks without gutting their roster, and salaries/contract years get shuffled along, Horford can play PF, Clips get a living SF and cheaper C and SAC basically plays facilitator by picking up potential Top 3 pick and salary dump.

I'm not a huge fan of it either, but I think Boston is desperate for a star, any star, and is willing to take on a possible bad fit to add another (realistically they will work well as a pairing, but it just puts Horford in a similar position that he wasn't enthusiastic about it). So they take Blake regardless and then worry about making the rest work later.

It'll be a lot easier to put together a trade to make their pieces fit better once they've got stars like Blake and Horford than it is to find the right star from the jump. They trade for Blake now and if he and Horford don't mesh great you dangle Blake or Horford for another team's star and now you're bargaining with a star for a star, which I think is a better position to be in.

Also with your suggestion I think you have to defer to the desires of the team with the best value piece in trades like this and I think LAC clearly has the best piece in Blake and they want a SF who can be a small-ball PF to pair with DJ and not to replace them. Assuming that'd be the motivation I think you have to start with Blake going out and then work the rest from there.

[Birdie]

I just don't get Blake to BOS tho when it only setups the same scenario Horford was in with Milsap. What about something like this deal?

BOS receives: DJ

LAC receive: Gay/Koufos + pick(s)

SAC receives: 2017 BK pick + Jerebko or Olynyk or Bradley or Amir (for $$$ matching purposes) + other filler 2nd's?

Something along those lines? BOS cashes in some of their 10,000 picks without gutting their roster, and salaries/contract years get shuffled along, Horford can play PF, Clips get a living SF and cheaper C and SAC basically plays facilitator by picking up potential Top 3 pick and salary dump.

I'm not a huge fan of it either, but I think Boston is desperate for a star, any star, and is willing to take on a possible bad fit to add another (realistically they will work well as a pairing, but it just puts Horford in a similar position that he wasn't enthusiastic about it). So they take Blake regardless and then worry about making the rest work later.

It'll be a lot easier to put together a trade to make their pieces fit better once they've got stars like Blake and Horford than it is to find the right star from the jump. They trade for Blake now and if he and Horford don't mesh great you dangle Blake or Horford for another team's star and now you're bargaining with a star for a star, which I think is a better position to be in.

Also with your suggestion I think you have to defer to the desires of the team with the best value piece in trades like this and I think LAC clearly has the best piece in Blake and they want a SF who can be a small-ball PF to pair with DJ and not to replace them. Assuming that'd be the motivation I think you have to start with Blake going out and then work the rest from there.

Totally agree with your assessment.

But if I'm BOS, and I just traded for Griff and in worse case we find out, oh, this isn't a good fit, I'd be pretty depressed as a BOS fan of what surely will be a bounty they give only to have to sell him on the open market for 1/2 or 3/4 or worst worst case, he leaves for nothing cuz that's a possibility.

Yea, DJ isn't "sexy" superstar but for BOS, it fills a need and fit and somewhat of a "marquee" name in some respects AND they could possibly do it without giving up a Bradley/Crowder/IT4 and hold onto 2018 BK pick, 2019 MEM pick or 2019 LAC pick possibly.

Yea, I didn't really look at the BOS picks but sitting with this for a minute, here's what I got peculating:

Sign Jaelyn to his rookie deal for 5ish-mil I believe, so, this deal can't get done in 30 days now

BOS receives DJ

LAC receive Gay + Koufos + BOS sends back Clips 2019 pick and maybe a random 2nd

SAC receives Brown (to replace Gay) + Amir Johnson (salary filler) + Rozier (rumored they like him?) + 2018 BK pick unless SAC REALLY wants 2017 BK swap + random 2nds as filler if need be

Everyone gets their players they want for fit, value, I think works out for those involved AND BOS still retains their picks and that MEM pick.

[cl2117]

I just don't get Blake to BOS tho when it only setups the same scenario Horford was in with Milsap. What about something like this deal?

BOS receives: DJ

LAC receive: Gay/Koufos + pick(s)

SAC receives: 2017 BK pick + Jerebko or Olynyk or Bradley or Amir (for $$$ matching purposes) + other filler 2nd's?

Something along those lines? BOS cashes in some of their 10,000 picks without gutting their roster, and salaries/contract years get shuffled along, Horford can play PF, Clips get a living SF and cheaper C and SAC basically plays facilitator by picking up potential Top 3 pick and salary dump.

I'm not a huge fan of it either, but I think Boston is desperate for a star, any star, and is willing to take on a possible bad fit to add another (realistically they will work well as a pairing, but it just puts Horford in a similar position that he wasn't enthusiastic about it). So they take Blake regardless and then worry about making the rest work later.

It'll be a lot easier to put together a trade to make their pieces fit better once they've got stars like Blake and Horford than it is to find the right star from the jump. They trade for Blake now and if he and Horford don't mesh great you dangle Blake or Horford for another team's star and now you're bargaining with a star for a star, which I think is a better position to be in.

Also with your suggestion I think you have to defer to the desires of the team with the best value piece in trades like this and I think LAC clearly has the best piece in Blake and they want a SF who can be a small-ball PF to pair with DJ and not to replace them. Assuming that'd be the motivation I think you have to start with Blake going out and then work the rest from there.

Totally agree with your assessment.

But if I'm BOS, and I just traded for Griff and in worse case we find out, oh, this isn't a good fit, I'd be pretty depressed as a BOS fan of what surely will be a bounty they give only to have to sell him on the open market for 1/2 or 3/4 or worst worst case, he leaves for nothing cuz that's a possibility.

Yea, DJ isn't "sexy" superstar but for BOS, it fills a need and fit and somewhat of a "marquee" name in some respects AND they could possibly do it without giving up a Bradley/Crowder/IT4 and hold onto 2018 BK pick, 2019 MEM pick or 2019 LAC pick possibly.

Yea, I didn't really look at the BOS picks but sitting with this for a minute, here's what I got peculating:

Sign Jaelyn to his rookie deal for 5ish-mil I believe, so, this deal can't get done in 30 days now

BOS receives DJ

LAC receive Gay + Koufos + BOS sends back Clips 2019 pick and maybe a random 2nd

SAC receives Brown (to replace Gay) + Amir Johnson (salary filler) + Rozier (rumored they like him?) + 2018 BK pick unless SAC REALLY wants 2017 BK swap + random 2nds as filler if need be

Everyone gets their players they want for fit, value, I think works out for those involved AND BOS still retains their picks and that MEM pick.

I'm totally down to trade for DJ, I just don't see LAC doing that. I think if they move someone it's Blake, purely based off of the smoke around him and how they played without him.

It'd be a risk for Boston to trade for Griffin and it not work out, but a worthy risk. I don't think they'd have a problem extending Griffin on a 5 year max and then working on trades after that. Maybe they end up taking 1/2 price because Blake refuses, but still worth the gamble in my opinion (and also why I wouldn't offer the BKN 2017 in a trade for Blake, but that's another story).

The one thing I really have a problem with is the idea that Gay and Koufos could net them the #3 pick, johnson, Rozier and an unprotected BKN pick. That's just WAY too much for a guy expiring (Gay) and a backup C. I think Crowder should be worth considerably more than Gay on that bargain of a contract (5/35) and then the rest of it is just overkill.

But yeah I'd be down for a Blake or DJ trade, I just don't see LAC moving DJ (would actually prefer Deandre because he is signed long-term and those hackashaq rules are coming in next year potentially).

[Birdie]

Spoiler:

I'm not a huge fan of it either, but I think Boston is desperate for a star, any star, and is willing to take on a possible bad fit to add another (realistically they will work well as a pairing, but it just puts Horford in a similar position that he wasn't enthusiastic about it). So they take Blake regardless and then worry about making the rest work later.

It'll be a lot easier to put together a trade to make their pieces fit better once they've got stars like Blake and Horford than it is to find the right star from the jump. They trade for Blake now and if he and Horford don't mesh great you dangle Blake or Horford for another team's star and now you're bargaining with a star for a star, which I think is a better position to be in.

Also with your suggestion I think you have to defer to the desires of the team with the best value piece in trades like this and I think LAC clearly has the best piece in Blake and they want a SF who can be a small-ball PF to pair with DJ and not to replace them. Assuming that'd be the motivation I think you have to start with Blake going out and then work the rest from there.

Totally agree with your assessment.

But if I'm BOS, and I just traded for Griff and in worse case we find out, oh, this isn't a good fit, I'd be pretty depressed as a BOS fan of what surely will be a bounty they give only to have to sell him on the open market for 1/2 or 3/4 or worst worst case, he leaves for nothing cuz that's a possibility.

Yea, DJ isn't "sexy" superstar but for BOS, it fills a need and fit and somewhat of a "marquee" name in some respects AND they could possibly do it without giving up a Bradley/Crowder/IT4 and hold onto 2018 BK pick, 2019 MEM pick or 2019 LAC pick possibly.

Yea, I didn't really look at the BOS picks but sitting with this for a minute, here's what I got peculating:

Sign Jaelyn to his rookie deal for 5ish-mil I believe, so, this deal can't get done in 30 days now

BOS receives DJ

LAC receive Gay + Koufos + BOS sends back Clips 2019 pick and maybe a random 2nd

SAC receives Brown (to replace Gay) + Amir Johnson (salary filler) + Rozier (rumored they like him?) + 2018 BK pick unless SAC REALLY wants 2017 BK swap + random 2nds as filler if need be

Everyone gets their players they want for fit, value, I think works out for those involved AND BOS still retains their picks and that MEM pick.

I'm totally down to trade for DJ, I just don't see LAC doing that. I think if they move someone it's Blake, purely based off of the smoke around him and how they played without him.

It'd be a risk for Boston to trade for Griffin and it not work out, but a worthy risk. I don't think they'd have a problem extending Griffin on a 5 year max and then working on trades after that. Maybe they end up taking 1/2 price because Blake refuses, but still worth the gamble in my opinion (and also why I wouldn't offer the BKN 2017 in a trade for Blake, but that's another story).

The one thing I really have a problem with is the idea that Gay and Koufos could net them the #3 pick, johnson, Rozier and an unprotected BKN pick. That's just WAY too much for a guy expiring (Gay) and a backup C. I think Crowder should be worth considerably more than Gay on that bargain of a contract (5/35) and then the rest of it is just overkill.

But yeah I'd be down for a Blake or DJ trade, I just don't see LAC moving DJ (would actually prefer Deandre because he is signed long-term and those hackashaq rules are coming in next year potentially).

I, too, am with you on the Blake "could" be on the block due to all the shenanigans/injuries Clips have had to deal pertaining to him but on a pure bball level, if I'm Clips, I'd rather keep Blake over DJ if I had the choice.

Again, yea, lookin at it, SAC gettin Brown/+ others + Top 3 pick could be TOO much value for the dead somewhat productive corpses of Gay/Koufos but I looked at it from this perspective, BOS gets to keep Crowder. He fits there, they know what they're getting with him. You trade Crowder, who's playing SF for BOS now? Brown might "become" better than Crowder possibly or he might not. And in essence, BOS would be almost be paying them the same anyways.

And I look at the deal as BOS is trading those 1st rd picks for DJ which facilitates Clips getting Gay. I think this deal is fair value if BOS only has to give up 1 of 2 BK picks AND keeps that MEM pick. That was my thinking on that.

So in essence, it's DJ for Brown + 2017 or 2018 BK pick 1st + 2019 LAC 1st + Amir + Rozier or [insert other non-core BOS players]

BOS can roll out a wicked defensive unit of IT4/Bradley/Crowder/Horford/DJ. Clips go CP3/Reddick/Gay/Griffin/Koufos and SAC offloads some salary, gets a prospect and most likely high pick in next 2 years for impending re-build. Win/win for everyone, lol.

[Smitty731]

I'm hearing some chatter that a lot of people expect a big deal to go down by the end of the weekend. Most teams want to have things wrapped up by the middle of next week, take a break and move on to the Olympics.

Most seem to think Boston will be involved because of assets and activity.

[nickhx2]

I'm hearing some chatter that a lot of people expect a big deal to go down by the end of the weekend. Most teams want to have things wrapped up by the middle of next week, take a break and move on to the Olympics.

Most seem to think Boston will be involved because of assets and activity.

by a big deal do you mean people are expecting one in particular? or just, logically speaking, if one were to happen the timing should occur before the olympics?

[Smitty731]

I'm hearing some chatter that a lot of people expect a big deal to go down by the end of the weekend. Most teams want to have things wrapped up by the middle of next week, take a break and move on to the Olympics.

Most seem to think Boston will be involved because of assets and activity.

by a big deal do you mean people are expecting one in particular? or just, logically speaking, if one were to happen the timing should occur before the olympics?

More the latter than the former. But a lot of people here think Westbrook to Boston is basically done. And I mean a LOT. But I don't think anyone has anything official by any means.

[Smitty731]

I'm standing by my original thought on Griffin to Boston. My source hasn't moved off that at all.

The other odd thing is that some are hearing that Boston is doing one Brooklyn pick and stuff for Griffin and the other Brooklyn pick and stuff for Westbrook. But I can't figure out how they would make salary matching work and have anything resembling depth at all.

[cl2117]

I'm standing by my original thought on Griffin to Boston. My source hasn't moved off that at all.

The other odd thing is that some are hearing that Boston is doing one Brooklyn pick and stuff for Griffin and the other Brooklyn pick and stuff for Westbrook. But I can't figure out how they would make salary matching work and have anything resembling depth at all.

Yes please.

[BleedGreen1989]

I'm standing by my original thought on Griffin to Boston. My source hasn't moved off that at all.

The other odd thing is that some are hearing that Boston is doing one Brooklyn pick and stuff for Griffin and the other Brooklyn pick and stuff for Westbrook. But I can't figure out how they would make salary matching work and have anything resembling depth at all.

Seems way too good for BOS.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I'm not a huge fan of it either, but I think Boston is desperate for a star, any star, and is willing to take on a possible bad fit to add another (realistically they will work well as a pairing, but it just puts Horford in a similar position that he wasn't enthusiastic about it). So they take Blake regardless and then worry about making the rest work later.

It'll be a lot easier to put together a trade to make their pieces fit better once they've got stars like Blake and Horford than it is to find the right star from the jump. They trade for Blake now and if he and Horford don't mesh great you dangle Blake or Horford for another team's star and now you're bargaining with a star for a star, which I think is a better position to be in.

Also with your suggestion I think you have to defer to the desires of the team with the best value piece in trades like this and I think LAC clearly has the best piece in Blake and they want a SF who can be a small-ball PF to pair with DJ and not to replace them. Assuming that'd be the motivation I think you have to start with Blake going out and then work the rest from there.

Totally agree with your assessment.

But if I'm BOS, and I just traded for Griff and in worse case we find out, oh, this isn't a good fit, I'd be pretty depressed as a BOS fan of what surely will be a bounty they give only to have to sell him on the open market for 1/2 or 3/4 or worst worst case, he leaves for nothing cuz that's a possibility.

Yea, DJ isn't "sexy" superstar but for BOS, it fills a need and fit and somewhat of a "marquee" name in some respects AND they could possibly do it without giving up a Bradley/Crowder/IT4 and hold onto 2018 BK pick, 2019 MEM pick or 2019 LAC pick possibly.

Yea, I didn't really look at the BOS picks but sitting with this for a minute, here's what I got peculating:

Sign Jaelyn to his rookie deal for 5ish-mil I believe, so, this deal can't get done in 30 days now

BOS receives DJ

LAC receive Gay + Koufos + BOS sends back Clips 2019 pick and maybe a random 2nd

SAC receives Brown (to replace Gay) + Amir Johnson (salary filler) + Rozier (rumored they like him?) + 2018 BK pick unless SAC REALLY wants 2017 BK swap + random 2nds as filler if need be

Everyone gets their players they want for fit, value, I think works out for those involved AND BOS still retains their picks and that MEM pick.

The one thing I really have a problem with is the idea that Gay and Koufos could net them the #3 pick, johnson, Rozier and an unprotected BKN pick. That's just WAY too much for a guy expiring (Gay) and a backup C. I think Crowder should be worth considerably more than Gay on that bargain of a contract (5/35) and then the rest of it is just overkill.

I believe you are entirely correct on all accounts. All the best assets on LAC and Boston are out of Sac's league. At the very least, they need to get WCS in the conversation instead of Koufos. And frankly, I'd be willing to talk that over b/c Skal and Greek Freak's dad need time.

[Smitty731]

Not even close to official, but the feeling is that Boston can get something done to get Westbrook if they want to. They have the strongest package to offer and it isn't really close from what I'm hearing.

I did not get this from the teams first hand or any of my sources. So, I'm not sharing on Twitter because it isn't my scoop to share.

[cl2117]

Not even close to official, but the feeling is that Boston can get something done to get Westbrook if they want to. They have the strongest package to offer and it isn't really close from what I'm hearing.

Curious as to whether that is Boston going above and beyond to get him or whether it's other teams not getting into the mix in a serious way for whatever reason. It's exciting regardless from the Celtics point of view because it'd be amazing to get Westbrook, but the idea that Boston has the kind of package that could also land a Westbrook type of player has to be encouraging for the next inevitable star to become disgruntled/flight risk and gets put on the block.

[Andre Roberstan]

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So much for that one guy who said he wasn't coming...

[Dr Positivity]

Between this and Colangelo's comments I expect PHI to trade a big. Rolling with Simmons and Saric at PF and Noel, Okafor and Embiid at C is too many