Random Rumor and General Offseason Discussion Thread

Post #1381 » by **pacers33granger** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:31 pm

loserX wrote:Nene Hilario

Opting out of $3 mil for no real reason could end up being a real bad move by Nene.

Post #1382 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:33 pm

pacers33granger wrote:
loserX wrote:Nene Hilario

Opting out of $3 mil for no real reason could end up being a real bad move by Nene.

The Rockets may be offering him more in a S&T so he can be used as a matching contract.

Post #1383 » by **loserX** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:45 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:
loserX wrote:Nene Hilario

Opting out of $3 mil for no real reason could end up being a real bad move by Nene.

The Rockets may be offering him more in a S&T so he can be used as a matching contract.

I wonder if Shump is waiting on the same possibility.

Watching Morey hold your Bird Rights is a whole different experience for FAs

Post #1384 » by **loserX** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:47 pm

Interesting to see Oubre still out there. Dallas is IIRC the only team that can even offer him more than the MLE, so I wonder if his agent is keeping lines open with Donnie Nelson (even if it's just to keep the offer from Phoenix up). If Dallas looks elsewhere then the Suns may have a considerably easier time bringing him back.

GatorbaitDD · Post #1385 » by **GatorbaitDD** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:05 pm

loserX wrote:Interesting to see Oubre still out there. Dallas is IIRC the only team that can even offer him more than the MLE, so I wonder if his agent is keeping lines open with Donnie Nelson (even if it's just to keep the offer from Phoenix up). If Dallas looks elsewhere then the Suns may have a considerably easier time bringing him back.

Agree he's the one I am keeping an eye on.

wolves_89 · Post #1386 » by **wolves_89** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:08 pm

I'm wondering if Oubre takes the QO if the Suns try to lowball him.

Post #1387 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:25 pm

Not sure what this means.

Read on Twitter

Post #1388 » by **BullyKing** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:27 pm

jbk1234 wrote:Not sure what this means.

Read on Twitter

I assume something came up on the physical

Post #1389 » by **loserX** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:41 pm

And now it gets weirder:

Read on Twitter

Post #1390 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:52 pm

I have to say I'm not getting the strategy behind lottery teams doubling up on redundant role players when the the top contenders from each conference have no tradeable assets left. I suppose Portland may be an exception but GS, Philly, the Bucks, and both L.A. teams are pretty tapped out.

Post #1391 » by **pacers33granger** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:54 pm

loserX wrote:And now it gets weirder:

Read on Twitter

Not that I think Morris is a big loss, but SA traded Bertans to make room for him and now there's no one else left worth that kind of money really. Tough break if it happens.

Post #1392 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:54 pm

Morris, Portis, Randle, Gibson.

That’s quite a collection of power forwards.

I will say that I really don’t like the precedent backing out on deals sets here.

Post #1393 » by **Slava** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:54 pm

jbk1234 wrote:I have to say I'm not getting the strategy behind lottery teams doubling up on redundant role players when the the top contenders from each conference have no tradeable assets left. I suppose Portland may be an exception but GS, Philly, the Bucks, and both L.A. teams are pretty tapped out.

I think NYK just want to be respectable considering their fanbase, exposure and the market they are playing.

Post #1394 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:25 pm

Slava wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:I have to say I'm not getting the strategy behind lottery teams doubling up on redundant role players when the the top contenders from each conference have no tradeable assets left. I suppose Portland may be an exception but GS, Philly, the Bucks, and both L.A. teams are pretty tapped out.

I think NYK just want to be respectable considering their fanbase, exposure and the market they are playing.

The on-the-court value of that second redundant role player, just isn't all that great. Especially, if you compare it to the value of equivalent cap space.

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #1395 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:27 pm

Seem like team docs are finally getting to see the medical records.

NYG · Post #1396 » by **NYG** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 10:06 pm

jbk1234 wrote:I have to say I'm not getting the strategy behind lottery teams doubling up on redundant role players when the the top contenders from each conference have no tradeable assets left. I suppose Portland may be an exception but GS, Philly, the Bucks, and both L.A. teams are pretty tapped out.

That next tier is solid though and can probably get some of these guys for expiring plus small asset... Boston, Brooklyn, Denver, Houston, Indiana, etc.

gambitx777 · Post #1397 » by **gambitx777** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 10:26 pm

He might have an offer from the Lakers or something like that. ???

pacers33granger wrote:
loserX wrote:Nene Hilario

Opting out of $3 mil for no real reason could end up being a real bad move by Nene.

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Post #1398 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 11:01 pm

NYG wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:I have to say I'm not getting the strategy behind lottery teams doubling up on redundant role players when the the top contenders from each conference have no tradeable assets left. I suppose Portland may be an exception but GS, Philly, the Bucks, and both L.A. teams are pretty tapped out.

That next tier is solid though and can probably get some of these guys for expiring plus small asset... Boston, Brooklyn, Denver, Houston, Indiana, etc.

The only team that's not deep on that list is the Rockets. They are a possibility. But I have to believe you could've gotten a late first just for cap space.

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Post #1399 » by **BullyKing** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 11:38 pm

jbk1234 wrote:I have to say I'm not getting the strategy behind lottery teams doubling up on redundant role players when the the top contenders from each conference have no tradeable assets left. I suppose Portland may be an exception but GS, Philly, the Bucks, and both L.A. teams are pretty tapped out.

When you say tradeable assets, are you talking about picks and young players? Because I think every team has the second round picks or "meh" prospects necessary to trade for guys like Payton or Portis. What I don't understand is the idea of signing a role player to a $10 million deal with the goal of flipping him at the deadline. Most contenders simply don't have the necessary matching disposable salary. A lot of contenders might have interest in Ellington but not many have 5-6 million in useless salary to make it work.

cucad8 · Post #1400 » by **cucad8** » Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:12 am

BullyKing wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:I have to say I'm not getting the strategy behind lottery teams doubling up on redundant role players when the the top contenders from each conference have no tradeable assets left. I suppose Portland may be an exception but GS, Philly, the Bucks, and both L.A. teams are pretty tapped out.

When you say tradeable assets, are you talking about picks and young players? Because I think every team has the second round picks or "meh" prospects necessary to trade for guys like Payton or Portis. What I don't understand is the idea of signing a role player to a $10 million deal with the goal of flipping him at the deadline. Most contenders simply don't have the necessary matching disposable salary. A lot of contenders might have interest in Ellington but not many have 5-6 million in useless salary to make it work.

To add to that, if the thought is specifically using players as assets at the deadline, they could have done that this offseason with cap space instead. Mo harkless AND a 1st round pick. Iguodola AND a 1st for cap space. It seems unlikely the assets they look to trade like Gibson, etc. Will net them a 1st at the deadline. Would have been better served getting the assets now. And potentially later.