Noel to <your team>

[GSR121]

How about Reggie Jackson for noel even up?

Why for Philly: Jackson can play both guard positions and brings scoring. He also is on a decent contract that will only get better with the new CBA. He is also a piece that can be moved later for assets once Simmons is ready to take over PG duties.

Why for Detroit: I think Aaron Baynes is going to decline his player option and become a free agent in the off season, so the Pistons are in need of a Center (Boban is fun to watch but I have doubts he can play heavy minuets). I don't think the Pistons are going any place with the current make up (this year or in the future) and moving Reggie gives them some cap space to make some changes. We played well enough with Ish and Udrih as our PG's so It wont be a huge problem.

That is a bold move, But why do you figure it gives you cap space enough to make changes, unless you let Noel walk

I am guessing we would be able to sign him after we sign other free agents because we can go over the cap to sign our own free agents. If not, letting him walk is an option. It would still let us retool, just with fewer assets to start with.

[GSR121]

How about Reggie Jackson for noel even up?

Why for Philly: Jackson can play both guard positions and brings scoring. He also is on a decent contract that will only get better with the new CBA. He is also a piece that can be moved later for assets once Simmons is ready to take over PG duties.

Why for Detroit: I think Aaron Baynes is going to decline his player option and become a free agent in the off season, so the Pistons are in need of a Center (Boban is fun to watch but I have doubts he can play heavy minuets). I don't think the Pistons are going any place with the current make up (this year or in the future) and moving Reggie gives them some cap space to make some changes. We played well enough with Ish and Udrih as our PG's so It wont be a huge problem.

I'd do it, but it wouldn't be for cap space as KCP and Noel are RFA's with cap holds that leave up capped out. We'd have to trade Baynes for a ROS point guard as well, both to open up minutes at the five for Noel and because Ish and Beno are not big minute players.

I don't think our plan would be to keep Noel long term, but rehab his value a bit and then try and trade him for a new long term point guard starter.

I agree, I don't think the plan would be to keep him long term either. But if I am not mistaken, we can sign players before we sign either one of them and go over the cap to sign them because they are "our" free agents. Moving Reggie frees up 16 million in cap space, the two cap holds are not even close to that. Minus both Noel and KCP's cap numbers and Reggie's salary we would have some cap room.

I do not think we would need to sign a additional PG, We are not going any place this year any way so I think Beno and Ish are fine. If one of them gets hurt then sign one. I agree we would need to move Baynes. I proposed in a different thread Baynes to Huston for Corey Brewer (expiring) (to mach salaries, then released) and Huston's first round pick. We get an asset for Baynes and do not add salary long term.

[Sportfan73]

Jah to LA for protection removal and a pick swap option next year.


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[Lovetron Joe]

The extreme POV's on Noel continue to fascinate me. I'm trying to think of another player much less one of his relative insignificance who was ever this divisive.

1. while he defends well as a big, He does not bring much to the table offensively. A lot of fans don't think that is a big detraction.

2. He has not played the 5 enough games due to injuries for some fans to feel he will hold up long term at 220lbs, other fans cite this.

3. Some fans think he is worth matching any offer you throw at him in FA this summer, At least one fan does not

4. His injury history, some fans say it was one big injury, other point that he lost 2 seasons.

5. You think he is just trying to shoot his way out of town, after BC told him that he would move one of them this summer and that he is not a guy that needs to be catered to.

So, if the rest of your teams scores well, and you have a need at center, you think he only had one injury in college, and that the game has changed enough so that centers don't bang down low, you think Noel is worth 22 mill to your team. He is worth a mid lottery pick.

If you think he offers no positional flexibility, your team needs the 5 to contribute offensively, while thinking that at 220 lbs he is going to get abused long term, and may break down physicaly, you think his value is along the lines of 15-18 mill and is a diva he is worth a late first.

How many of the 5 boxes you check determins his value to yourself.

“He’s heavier and bigger than he’s ever been (232 pounds)." Brett Brown December 12, 2016

[patman52]

The extreme POV's on Noel continue to fascinate me. I'm trying to think of another player much less one of his relative insignificance who was ever this divisive.

1. while he defends well as a big, He does not bring much to the table offensively. A lot of fans don't think that is a big detraction.

2. He has not played the 5 enough games due to injuries for some fans to feel he will hold up long term at 220lbs, other fans cite this.

3. Some fans think he is worth matching any offer you throw at him in FA this summer, At least one fan does not

4. His injury history, some fans say it was one big injury, other point that he lost 2 seasons.

5. You think he is just trying to shoot his way out of town, after BC told him that he would move one of them this summer and that he is not a guy that needs to be catered to.

So, if the rest of your teams scores well, and you have a need at center, you think he only had one injury in college, and that the game has changed enough so that centers don't bang down low, you think Noel is worth 22 mill to your team. He is worth a mid lottery pick.

If you think he offers no positional flexibility, your team needs the 5 to contribute offensively, while thinking that at 220 lbs he is going to get abused long term, and may break down physicaly, you think his value is along the lines of 15-18 mill and is a diva he is worth a late first.

How many of the 5 boxes you check determins his value to yourself.

“He’s heavier and bigger than he’s ever been (232 pounds)." Brett Brown December 12, 2016

He hasn't played, and has been at home. would think that he gained 10 lbs

[patman52]

The extreme POV's on Noel continue to fascinate me. I'm trying to think of another player much less one of his relative insignificance who was ever this divisive.

1. while he defends well as a big, He does not bring much to the table offensively. A lot of fans don't think that is a big detraction.

2. He has not played the 5 enough games due to injuries for some fans to feel he will hold up long term at 220lbs, other fans cite this.

3. Some fans think he is worth matching any offer you throw at him in FA this summer, At least one fan does not

4. His injury history, some fans say it was one big injury, other point that he lost 2 seasons.

5. You think he is just trying to shoot his way out of town, after BC told him that he would move one of them this summer and that he is not a guy that needs to be catered to.

So, if the rest of your teams scores well, and you have a need at center, you think he only had one injury in college, and that the game has changed enough so that centers don't bang down low, you think Noel is worth 22 mill to your team. He is worth a mid lottery pick.

If you think he offers no positional flexibility, your team needs the 5 to contribute offensively, while thinking that at 220 lbs he is going to get abused long term, and may break down physicaly, you think his value is along the lines of 15-18 mill and is a diva he is worth a late first.

How many of the 5 boxes you check determins his value to yourself.

“He’s heavier and bigger than he’s ever been (232 pounds)." Brett Brown December 12, 2016

He hasn't played, and has been at home. would think that he gained 10 lbs But even said, that is good news

[Lovetron Joe]

1. while he defends well as a big, He does not bring much to the table offensively. A lot of fans don't think that is a big detraction.

2. He has not played the 5 enough games due to injuries for some fans to feel he will hold up long term at 220lbs, other fans cite this.

3. Some fans think he is worth matching any offer you throw at him in FA this summer, At least one fan does not

4. His injury history, some fans say it was one big injury, other point that he lost 2 seasons.

5. You think he is just trying to shoot his way out of town, after BC told him that he would move one of them this summer and that he is not a guy that needs to be catered to.

So, if the rest of your teams scores well, and you have a need at center, you think he only had one injury in college, and that the game has changed enough so that centers don't bang down low, you think Noel is worth 22 mill to your team. He is worth a mid lottery pick.

If you think he offers no positional flexibility, your team needs the 5 to contribute offensively, while thinking that at 220 lbs he is going to get abused long term, and may break down physicaly, you think his value is along the lines of 15-18 mill and is a diva he is worth a late first.

How many of the 5 boxes you check determins his value to yourself.

“He’s heavier and bigger than he’s ever been (232 pounds)." Brett Brown December 12, 2016

He hasn't played, and has been at home. would think that he gained 10 lbs But even said, that is good news

When was he at home?

He had been rehabilitating under the supervision of Kevin Wilk, the associate clinical director at Champion Sports Medicine in Birmingham, Ala. Then scrimmaging/working out at the Sixers training facility.

[Mystical Apples]

A protected 1st and a middling rotation player has to be Noel's floor. For that price a playoff team would consider his value - at worst - somewhere between an expiring contract and Free Agency plan B.

For example CHA's offer of Lamb + 1st clears a little long-term money while filling a glaring backup center/skill PO need along with FA downside insurance.

How about Lamb + lotto protected 1st + Christian Wood for Noel + Hollis Thompson?

[Mystical Apples]

1. while he defends well as a big, He does not bring much to the table offensively. A lot of fans don't think that is a big detraction

Interesting emphasis on the C job description. "Sure he defends but can the big guy score!?" Not exactly commonly overheard.

The hurdle is scoring *efficiently* relative to other options. And part of that equation is having a C who dives and finishes with defensive chops so the coach can sneak an additional offensive weapon(s) on the floor.

[patman52]

Interesting emphasis on the C job description. "Sure he defends but can the big guy score!?" Not exactly commonly overheard.

The hurdle is scoring *efficiently* relative to other options. And part of that equation is having a C who dives and finishes with defensive chops so the coach can sneak an additional offensive weapon(s) on the floor.

huh, which is why i said a lot of fans don't thisnk it is a big detraction.

[jayjaysee]

Before I knew how bad Dallas was going to be, coupled with the situation worsening in Philly... I used to suggest three team Boston/Philly deals with Jackson+2nd and Bogut, and Dallas' 2017 first..

I'd still do the same deal, but now the protection would be top 10 for a few years. And make a slow dip from there.

But if the best offer is Jackson+Mem first+2nd.. And Dallas is offering their first (which would wind up around 2019/2020 as well) with Boston chipping in Jackson, doesn't seem that far off. I'll throw in a 2018 Hinkie pick.

And I've seen enough Boston fans preach cap space to believe that they could prefer Bogut+Mem first over Noel.

[BullyKing]

Before I knew how bad Dallas was going to be, coupled with the situation worsening in Philly... I used to suggest three team Boston/Philly deals with Jackson+2nd and Bogut, and Dallas' 2017 first..

I'd still do the same deal, but now the protection would be top 10 for a few years. And make a slow dip from there.

But if the best offer is Jackson+Mem first+2nd.. And Dallas is offering their first (which would wind up around 2019/2020 as well) with Boston chipping in Jackson, doesn't seem that far off. I'll throw in a 2018 Hinkie pick.

And I've seen enough Boston fans preach cap space to believe that they could prefer Bogut+Mem first over Noel.

I had a feeling Dallas was going to fall off a cliff this year which is why I was suggesting Noel to Dallas for that first all off-season. That said, it seems like Dallas has been playing better as of late and isn't Dirk close to coming back? Wouldn't surprise me if they ended the season around 5th.