Shams: Suns and Heat Finalist for Beal

[AingesBurner]

Who plays point for the Suns? Seems like a disaster.

I mean Booker, Beal and Durant can all initiate offfense.

But who runs the offense? Has Booker ran offense for Phoenix for more than 20 games?

[Tha King]

I am not sure what the point of Beal would be on the Suns? They don't need another perimeter scorer that needs usage. They need depth, playmaking, wing defense, rebounding, etc.

[HadAnEffectHere]

If you’re the Wizards, why would you even want Ayton? Dude looked like the ultimate fall off a cliff after the second contract guy last season. I know the Beal market is soft, but this does not seem like a well thought out plan. Wiz gonna Wiz, I guess.

Because Ayton has superstar tools if he ever starts to care and he's still so young that he could decide to care elsewhere.

[jredsaz]

Feels like Wiz are trying to squeeze more out of Miami here

This seems logical. Or they value Ayton? Idk.

[BBallFreak]

If say the deal is this:

Lowry+Herro+18+MIA27FRP
For
Beal+Morris/Wright

Wiz are trying to squeeze the MIA29FRP out too

I don't think so. If it's down to these two teams, Miami can put together a better package with just one first.

[TGW]

If Ayton is the main piece, the Wizards should move him to Dallas for the #10 and filler.

[zimpy27]

Feels like Wiz are trying to squeeze more out of Miami here

This seems logical. Or they value Ayton? Idk.

They might. Ayton has upside in a new system. Problem is that Wiz have KP and Gafford. A C isn't a need unless they plan of moving both.

[jredsaz]

I am not sure what the point of Beal would be on the Suns? They don't need another perimeter scorer that needs usage. They need depth, playmaking, wing defense, rebounding, etc.

In the playoffs you can always use another perimeter scorer who can get his. They would need to fill out the roster for sure but this isn’t a bad fit on the court.

[zimpy27]

If say the deal is this:

Lowry+Herro+18+MIA27FRP
For
Beal+Morris/Wright

Wiz are trying to squeeze the MIA29FRP out too

I don't think so. If it's down to these two teams, Miami can put together a better package with just one first.

Maybe, I guess we will wait and see.

Would you be unhappy with this?

Lowry+Herro+18+MIA27FRP
For
Beal+Morris/Wright

[BBallFreak]

If say the deal is this:

Lowry+Herro+18+MIA27FRP
For
Beal+Morris/Wright

Wiz are trying to squeeze the MIA29FRP out too

I don't think so. If it's down to these two teams, Miami can put together a better package with just one first.

Maybe, I guess we will wait and see.

Would you be unhappy with this?

Lowry+Herro+18+MIA27FRP
For
Beal+Morris/Wright

Yes. I don't want to give up 2 first round picks and put ourselves over the second apron for Bradley Beal. I'm iffy on acquiring him with Robinson in place of Lowry and only 1 first going out. His contract is awful and he isn't exactly an ironman...

[hoosierdaddy34]

Okay, but Beal-Booker-Durant all have the exact same playstyle and Beal and Durant are not good at defense right now.

The Suns will have basically no room to fit ball handlers and defenders around them.

Yes it’s going to be those 3 and a bunch of vet minimum guys. I don’t even think they will have an MLE as I think it’s unavoidable that they will be past the second apron.

Nah, they can stretch and waive CP and get pretty far under the first apron.

If they trade Ayton and Shamet

KD 48 million
Beal 47 million
Booker 36 million
CP I believe has 14 million guarantee
Payne 6.5 million

That’s 155 million and the second tax apron is 179.5?

At least 10 slots to fill? That’s just 24 million left over for those roster spots.

NBA vet minimum is 2.7 million.

The math says 10 vet minimum guys and they still exceed the 2nd apron and all the penalties that go with it.

[jredsaz]

This update is sparse on words but only mentions CP in the article, not Ayton. With the no trade clause, is this basically expiring contracts being offered? Like CP/Shamet or Lowery/Dipo?

https://theathletic.com/4619015/2023/06/17/bradley-beal-trade-wizards-suns-heat/?source=user_shared_article

[BeiBeau]

lmao. Suns are gonna pay 150mill yearly for 3 players

Plus 15 million in dead cap from CP3

[jredsaz]

Yes it’s going to be those 3 and a bunch of vet minimum guys. I don’t even think they will have an MLE as I think it’s unavoidable that they will be past the second apron.

Nah, they can stretch and waive CP and get pretty far under the first apron.

If they trade Ayton and Shamet

KD 48 million
Beal 47 million
Booker 36 million
CP I believe has 14 million guarantee
Payne 6.5 million

That’s 155 million and the second tax apron is 179.5?

At least 10 slots to fill? That’s just 24 million left over for those roster spots.

NBA vet minimum is 2.7 million.

The math says 10 vet minimum guys and they still exceed the 2nd apron and all the penalties that go with it.

CP can be stretched over 5 years at $3.2M per. Vet minimums over 3 years will count $1.98M against the cap. Second round picks and undrafted guys are less. Also have Ish Smith at $1.9M currently on the roster.

KD/Booker/Beal/Payne/Smith = $142M
First apron is +/-$168M
Suns room = +/-$26M for 8 or 9 players.

[jredsaz]

lmao. Suns are gonna pay 150mill yearly for 3 players

Plus 15 million in dead cap from CP3

That will get stretched over 5 years, unless he is in the trade, not Ayton.

[DirtyDez]

Apparently Beal’s agent is the father of the Suns’ CEO Josh Bartlestein.

[hoosierdaddy34]

Nah, they can stretch and waive CP and get pretty far under the first apron.

If they trade Ayton and Shamet

KD 48 million
Beal 47 million
Booker 36 million
CP I believe has 14 million guarantee
Payne 6.5 million

That’s 155 million and the second tax apron is 179.5?

At least 10 slots to fill? That’s just 24 million left over for those roster spots.

NBA vet minimum is 2.7 million.

The math says 10 vet minimum guys and they still exceed the 2nd apron and all the penalties that go with it.

CP can be stretched over 5 years at $3.2M per. Vet minimums over 3 years will count $1.98M against the cap. Second round picks and undrafted guys are less. Also have Ish Smith at $1.9M currently on the roster.

KD/Booker/Beal/Payne/Smith = $142M
First apron is +/-$168M
Suns room = +/-$26M for 8 or 9 players.

That is 3 million a player for those 9 spots. It’s essentially vet minimum level dudes rounding out the rosters

[zimpy27]

This update is sparse on words but only mentions CP in the article, not Ayton. With the no trade clause, is this basically expiring contracts being offered? Like CP/Shamet or Lowery/Dipo?

https://theathletic.com/4619015/2023/06/17/bradley-beal-trade-wizards-suns-heat/?source=user_shared_article

CP3+Ayton for Beal+Wright

Something like that could make sense. The centrepiece would be Ayton.

I do like an Ayton centrepiece for Beal. Wiz need a young player with potential and/or a pick in the current draft to even consider moving Beal.

Still think Miami has this deal beat.

[jredsaz]

Who plays point for the Suns? Seems like a disaster.

I mean Booker, Beal and Durant can all initiate offfense.

But who runs the offense? Has Booker ran offense for Phoenix for more than 20 games?

Again, any one of those three can initiate the offense.

[jredsaz]

This update is sparse on words but only mentions CP in the article, not Ayton. With the no trade clause, is this basically expiring contracts being offered? Like CP/Shamet or Lowery/Dipo?

https://theathletic.com/4619015/2023/06/17/bradley-beal-trade-wizards-suns-heat/?source=user_shared_article

CP3+Ayton for Beal+Wright

Something like that could make sense. The centrepiece would be Ayton.

I do like an Ayton centrepiece for Beal. Wiz need a young player with potential and/or a pick in the current draft to even consider moving Beal.

Still think Miami has this deal beat.

I agree. Assume Miami would offer more.