Hawks yet to extend 4/229 extension offer to Trae Young

[gswhoops]

where does "ridiculously inefficient" come from? He has a career 101 TS+ , and at rock bottom (this year), he was 98 TS+. A couple more turnovers than you'd like, but not atypical for someone with his usage.

His raw FG% is low, but actual points per possession is right on league average, and usually higher. If Trae is "ridiculously inefficient", then so are about 50-60% of guards across the NBA.

I'd be far more comfortably giving Trae a max compared to De'Aaron Fox who already received one, for instance.

In only two of his seven seasons has his league adjusted eFG% been anywhere near even average. The last three seasons have been at 89, 94, and 90. His TS% gets propped up because he's a foul merchant, consistently among the highest FT attempts, but yet another reason to be concerned with any drop off in his speed. He's a fine passer but with a middling sub-2.5 AST/TO ratio.

Fox's max was a huge mistake on the part of the Spurs, imo. Trae's would be nearly as bad.

free throws are part of scoring efficiency whether you want to use an incomplete stat like EFG% or not. His FTR doesn't fall off by much in the playoffs either, so the people screeching about " the refs won't call fouls in the playoffs" don't have much to stand on there either.

We just saw arguably the league's most notorious "foul merchant" lead his team to the title; it might be time to put the "refs don't call fouls in the POs" argument to rest.

[SkyHook]

In only two of his seven seasons has his league adjusted eFG% been anywhere near even average. The last three seasons have been at 89, 94, and 90. His TS% gets propped up because he's a foul merchant, consistently among the highest FT attempts, but yet another reason to be concerned with any drop off in his speed. He's a fine passer but with a middling sub-2.5 AST/TO ratio.

Fox's max was a huge mistake on the part of the Spurs, imo. Trae's would be nearly as bad.

free throws are part of scoring efficiency whether you want to use an incomplete stat like EFG% or not. His FTR doesn't fall off by much in the playoffs either, so the people screeching about " the refs won't call fouls in the playoffs" don't have much to stand on there either.

We just saw arguably the league's most notorious "foul merchant" lead his team to the title; it might be time to put the "refs don't call fouls in the POs" argument to rest.

Who's making that argument? Honestly asking, I just haven't seen that one for a long time. Despite attempts to curb foul baiting early in it seems like every season, the refs collectively lose their resolve fairly quickly. No one is swallowing their whistles, but one can still hope. (I'm in the camp that offensive flopping is far more damaging to the integrity of the sport than it has been on the defensive side.)

[gswhoops]

free throws are part of scoring efficiency whether you want to use an incomplete stat like EFG% or not. His FTR doesn't fall off by much in the playoffs either, so the people screeching about " the refs won't call fouls in the playoffs" don't have much to stand on there either.

We just saw arguably the league's most notorious "foul merchant" lead his team to the title; it might be time to put the "refs don't call fouls in the POs" argument to rest.

Who's making that argument? Honestly asking, I just haven't seen that one for a long time. Despite attempts to curb foul baiting early in it seems like every season, the refs collectively lose their resolve fairly quickly. No one is swallowing their whistles, but one can still hope. (I'm in the camp that offensive flopping is far more damaging to the integrity of the sport than it has been on the defensive side.)

No one in this thread; I think just generally you see a lot of talking heads (particularly older ones) talking about it. Now that they can't say that 3s don't win championships they gotta move on to the next ill-informed take.

[nykballa2k4]

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Teams may have cap space, but when they debate how to use it, I would be surprised if a team says "let's tie up 60M" on trae when they can disperse that same sum over 2 starters and a useful reserve (Think Grimes, Simons, Looney)
The big take away from the finals was that depth was really important. As big as Hali is, the real issue that the Knicks had with the Pacers was that you can bottle up Hali, but they had 7 other guys who could go off with ease.

[LarsV8]

I think I would feel comfortable with paying him 35-40m per year, possibly a little more, since his next four years should cover his peak/prime.

The question of trade value is a tough a one. I don't think he would command a ton of high offers, but a number of teams would certainly sign him in free agency.

[SlimShady83]

Mid season trade or next offseason trade?

[JHFVF07]

Any chances Portland sign him next FA? They have so much defense, a guy like Trae would be fun on that team.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Would be someone Toronto should consider with the defensive talent they've accumulated

[zimpy27]

I wonder if a Trae+assets for Giannis trade is on the cards?

Hawks are in the driving seat for a Giannis trade, I wonder if this could all fit.

[One_and_Done]

Nor should they max him out.

[One_and_Done]

I wonder if a Trae+assets for Giannis trade is on the cards?

Hawks are in the driving seat for a Giannis trade, I wonder if this could all fit.

Sounds implausible, because if Giannis is leaving Milwaukee it isn't going to be so he can play in Atlanta. That's just not realistic at all. Part of it is the city, but part of it is also that the Hawks are a young team who is far away from a title (despite having made some good front office moves lately to improve their long term horizon.

[gswhoops]

I wonder if a Trae+assets for Giannis trade is on the cards?

Hawks are in the driving seat for a Giannis trade, I wonder if this could all fit.

Sounds implausible, because if Giannis is leaving Milwaukee it isn't going to be so he can play in Atlanta. That's just not realistic at all. Part of it is the city, but part of it is also that the Hawks are a young team who is far away from a title (despite having made some good front office moves lately to improve their long term horizon.

Agreed. The only plausible reason Giannis would accept a trade to Atlanta is to play with Trae, this defeats the point.

[One_and_Done]

I wonder if a Trae+assets for Giannis trade is on the cards?

Hawks are in the driving seat for a Giannis trade, I wonder if this could all fit.

Sounds implausible, because if Giannis is leaving Milwaukee it isn't going to be so he can play in Atlanta. That's just not realistic at all. Part of it is the city, but part of it is also that the Hawks are a young team who is far away from a title (despite having made some good front office moves lately to improve their long term horizon.

Agreed. The only plausible reason Giannis would accept a trade to Atlanta is to play with Trae, this defeats the point.

Even Trae's not enough.

[jayjaysee]

I wonder if a Trae+assets for Giannis trade is on the cards?

Hawks are in the driving seat for a Giannis trade, I wonder if this could all fit.

Think Milwaukee would want to trade Trae and get as many assets possible to go with their one year tank.

But thanks to the Pelicans, I do think Atlanta would be near the top of the Giannis sweepstakes if he did ask out.

[meatwad4343]

It's difficult. He's not good enough to pay a super max to and still be contending. But he's still a very good player. I'd have moved him in the off season when his value would have been higher.

[SlimShady83]

Monk/Demar and pic or 2 from Kings for Young

Hawks get solid depth with pics
Kings all in get allstar PG to go with Sabonis etc

[Daddy 801]

Monk/Demar and pic or 2 from Kings for Young

Hawks get solid depth with pics
Kings all in get allstar PG to go with Sabonis etc

Going to take more than that to get Trey. At least I would be shocked if that’s all it took. Hell I don’t even want Utah to trade for any good players for years and if I saw all it took was mid level players and a pick I would offer more.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Wonder if he gets more than herro.

[Mavrelous]

Wonder if he gets more than herro.

No need to wonder, he will, he's just a higher tier player.

[Mavrelous]

Trae is the poster boy for the escalators language on designated rookie extentiom being too generous, single 3rd team all NBA shoildn't be enough for 30% max, 26% is good enougj, it also solves the Haliburton dilemma from last year.