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[pelifan]

Any legs on okafor for #3 rumors with Sixers then maxing Beal? I can't see Washington letting him walk, but like the concept for Philly.

Dunn
Beal
Saric
Simmons
Noel

would be an exciting group. Top 5 league pass team for me.

[pacers33granger]

I haven't really been following the workouts in the lottery, but are all the teams in the top 10 working out guys in the 20s? That don't have a pick there. What I'm saying is, is Sacramento trying and not getting the workouts, or is it they don't see a need to workout a guy that sits maybe 26th on their board.

Great question. Personally I would view not working out guys projected 10-20 as a flaw (extra info, never hurts), but guys projected 10-30 rejecting workouts as a serious flaw (oh god, that sounds clearly bad).

Hoping for more info on which it is because that is an outstanding question.


For what its worth:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/745796911626608643[/tweet]


Also, small edit above above.

Personally I would view not working out guys projected 10-20 as a flaw (extra info, never hurts) unless its because the cost of flying a guy in. Then it is a signal of such cheapness it is a very bad signal.

Could also be a signal that they're just going to take whoever ends up at their pick anyways that's a top 10 guy and work on figuring everything out later since they have a bunch of holes. Again, not a great look since it signals no due diligence on their part and laziness (if true of course). But I guess I get the idea; if no top 10 prospect will work out and your scouts have done their homework and say there's a big drop off after the top 10 (or wherever), then why work out later guys? Even if they end up trading the guy later on, the value is very likely to be higher than if they reach for a guy whose top 20 instead.

[HartfordWhalers]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/745797963977474049[/tweet]

[jbk1234]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/745797963977474049[/tweet]

The league should hire two sets of doctors to do physicals and the results should be sent to all 30 teams.

[SideSwipe]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/745797963977474049[/tweet]

The league should hire two sets of doctors to do physicals and the results should be sent to all 30 teams.

Docs in Phoenix are considered part of the team and a competitive advantage. They see things other docs don't sometimes.

[jbk1234]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/745797963977474049[/tweet]

The league should hire two sets of doctors to do physicals and the results should be sent to all 30 teams.

Docs in Phoenix are considered part of the team and a competitive advantage. They see things other docs don't sometimes.

But you undermine the purpose of the draft when some players refuse to even take a physical.

[SideSwipe]

The league should hire two sets of doctors to do physicals and the results should be sent to all 30 teams.

Docs in Phoenix are considered part of the team and a competitive advantage. They see things other docs don't sometimes.

But you undermine the purpose of the draft when some players refuse to even take a physical.

That's true to an extent. Maybe there is a baseline physical done and teams can do more if requested individually as needed or wanted.

[RRFB]

For what it's worth, the Nuggets weren't able to workout any top 8 players either. Their GM said they talked to about 10 guys who all insisted they'd be off the board by the time Denver picks at #7. You can do the math yourself on that one, but I assume SAC ran into the same problem.

The Nuggets did, however, workout a lot of mid-late 1st round projections as well as quite a few 2nd round and undrafted prospects.

[Spens1]

http://www.inquisitr.com/3234127/nba-rumors-phoenix-suns-to-acquire-jahlil-okafor-on-nba-draft-day/

Not sure if this was mentioned previously but it looks like Okafor to Phoenix could happen (why i am not sure), you can bet then that Dunn lands up in Philly somehow (provided Ainge isn't super high on him, so much so that he will deal Smart).

On the kings drama, i don't blame players giving them a wide berth, they've been a mess for years and its not easy to clear up that reputation (not that they have anyway). I'd say they should deal the pick if no one wants to work for them, may as well because Baldwin at 8 is just stupid.

[cucad8]

For what it's worth, the Nuggets weren't able to workout any top 8 players either. Their GM said they talked to about 10 guys who all insisted they'd be off the board by the time Denver picks at #7. You can do the math yourself on that one, but I assume SAC ran into the same problem.

The Nuggets did, however, workout a lot of mid-late 1st round projections as well as quite a few 2nd round and undrafted prospects.

See that's what's annoying to me. I'm not a Sacramento fan, have no dog in the fight, horse in the race, whatever. Just that the reporting seems like an unnecessary mocking of the Kings. Denver has a pick at 19, so it makes sense for them to work out guys from 12-30, on the chance they slip, rise, whatever. But they apparently have same issue, and what I saw Ziller tweet earlier, none of the top guys were doing individual workouts really.
I do get the argument for doing die dilligence, but bringing in 1-30 with a top 8 pick just seems completely unnecessary and ridiculous. Especially when you have all of your game scouting on them, and anything from the combine, interviews and what not. Do they really need to bring in Chad Ford's 28th ranked guy for a 2 hour workout and dinner on the off chance they get a pick in the 20s?

[jbk1234]

For what it's worth, the Nuggets weren't able to workout any top 8 players either. Their GM said they talked to about 10 guys who all insisted they'd be off the board by the time Denver picks at #7. You can do the math yourself on that one, but I assume SAC ran into the same problem.

The Nuggets did, however, workout a lot of mid-late 1st round projections as well as quite a few 2nd round and undrafted prospects.

See that's what's annoying to me. I'm not a Sacramento fan, have no dog in the fight, horse in the race, whatever. Just that the reporting seems like an unnecessary mocking of the Kings. Denver has a pick at 19, so it makes sense for them to work out guys from 12-30, on the chance they slip, rise, whatever. But they apparently have same issue, and what I saw Ziller tweet earlier, none of the top guys were doing individual workouts really.
I do get the argument for doing die dilligence, but bringing in 1-30 with a top 8 pick just seems completely unnecessary and ridiculous. Especially when you have all of your game scouting on them, and anything from the combine, interviews and what not. Do they really need to bring in Chad Ford's 28th ranked guy for a 2 hour workout and dinner on the off chance they get a pick in the 20s?

When guys like Giannis, Butler, and Kawhai are three of the best players to come out in the last few years, yeah it might be worth it to not trust the experts.

[SideSwipe]

http://www.inquisitr.com/3234127/nba-rumors-phoenix-suns-to-acquire-jahlil-okafor-on-nba-draft-day/

Not sure if this was mentioned previously but it looks like Okafor to Phoenix could happen (why i am not sure), you can bet then that Dunn lands up in Philly somehow (provided Ainge isn't super high on him, so much so that he will deal Smart).

On the kings drama, i don't blame players giving them a wide berth, they've been a mess for years and its not easy to clear up that reputation (not that they have anyway). I'd say they should deal the pick if no one wants to work for them, may as well because Baldwin at 8 is just stupid.

Another article with a misleading URL. The article says that PHX has the assets to acquire Okafor, not that they will.

[OGSactownballer]

Yeah I am s Sac fan and it's getting old..

It's a crappy draft and the agents are freaked out because they are all going to be held to task when their guy's name isn't called at #3.

[pelifan]

The Kings are dumb

source: me. 5-6 broussards more reliable than chad ford.

broussards: the smallest possible increment used to measure the reliability of a source.

Example: I read a post on reddit that Lebron is going to start an expansion team called the Akron Banana Boats and sign all his friends. Given that the source was a link back to the exact same post I trust it about 15 broussards.

[rpa]

When guys like Giannis, Butler, and Kawhai are three of the best players to come out in the last few years, yeah it might be worth it to not trust the experts.

The irony:

The Spurs never had a private workout with Kawhi Leonard before trading for his rights in last year’s draft.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/219486/Spurs-Secretly-Targeted-Kawhi-Leonard-In-Draft

[jbk1234]

When guys like Giannis, Butler, and Kawhai are three of the best players to come out in the last few years, yeah it might be worth it to not trust the experts.

The irony:

The Spurs never had a private workout with Kawhi Leonard before trading for his rights in last year’s draft.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/219486/Spurs-Secretly-Targeted-Kawhi-Leonard-In-Draft

They traded up to get him and didn't work him out for a reason. Did he work out for the Pacers who actually drafted him?

[rpa]

They traded up to get him and didn't work him out for a reason. Did he work out for the Pacers who actually drafted him?

Exactly: that reason being that they were confident enough in their scouting to make the private workout irrelevant.

[jbk1234]

They traded up to get him and didn't work him out for a reason. Did he work out for the Pacers who actually drafted him?

Exactly: that reason being that they were confident enough in their scouting to make the private workout irrelevant.

Right but if he doesn't work out for the Pacers, maybe he gets drafted by a team who doesn't have PG and who doesn't trade him.

[rpa]

Right but if he doesn't work out for the Pacers, maybe he gets drafted by a team who doesn't trade him.

Do you have any proof that he didn't? Seeing as how Kawhi was willing to do a video workout for DraftExpress (here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA1GYjD1yHo) I find it hard to believe that he didn't get worked out by a ton of teams in that range--none of whom wanted to take him. I do remember that the Kings worked him out and had him high on their rankings (he was slotted to the Kings in a LOT of mock drafts at the time), but the Maloofs apparently overruled Petrie because they wanted to make some money on the Jimmer show.

EDIT:

Link for Kawhi working out w/ Kings: http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2011/6/16/2227589/kawhi-leonard-sacramento-kings-nba-draft-2011

[jbk1234]

Right but if he doesn't work out for the Pacers, maybe he gets drafted by a team who doesn't trade him.

Do you have any proof that he didn't? Seeing as how Kawhi was willing to do a video workout for DraftExpress (here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA1GYjD1yHo) I find it hard to believe that he didn't get worked out by a ton of teams in that range--none of whom wanted to take him. I do remember that the Kings worked him out and had him high on their rankings (he was slotted to the Kings in a LOT of mock drafts at the time), but the Maloofs apparently overruled Petrie because they wanted to make some money on the Jimmer show.

Show me a first round pick that doesn't have DraftExrpess tape.