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[rpa]

Show me a first round pick that doesn't have DraftExrpess tape.

There's a difference between a DraftExpress tape and him letting DraftExpress record a private (non-team) workout of his.

This argument is irrelevant though: http://www.nbadraft.net/2011-nba-draft-workout-master-list

Looks like Kawhi worked out with 5 teams

EDIT: Also, to add, Kawhi was a player who was mocked far higher than his draft position (which isn't surprising when you notice that the teams who worked him out had picks 1/4, 5, 6, 7, & 9). If we're making any comparison here to the Kings then panning them for not working out players *below* their position is actually the exact opposite of what happened with Kawhi. In that case the Kings could be panned for not working out any of the top 8 draftees, but as others have mentioned, those players all refuse to workout for the teams at the tail end of the top 10 because they're sure they'll be off the board.

[jbk1234]

Show me a first round pick that doesn't have DraftExrpess tape.

There's a difference between a DraftExpress tape and him letting DraftExpress record a private (non-team) workout of his.

This argument is irrelevant though: http://www.nbadraft.net/2011-nba-draft-workout-master-list

Looks like Kawhi worked out with 5 teams

EDIT: Also, to add, Kawhi was a player who was mocked far higher than his draft position (which isn't surprising when you notice that the teams who worked him out had picks 1/4, 5, 6, 7, & 9). If we're making any comparison here to the Kings then panning them for not working out players *below* their position is actually the exact opposite of what happened with Kawhi. In that case the Kings could be panned for not working out any of the top 8 draftees, but as others have mentioned, those players all refuse to workout for the teams at the tail end of the top 10 because they're sure they'll be off the board.

So he worked for no one outside the top 5, fell to 15, and you don't think that matters?

[rpa]

So he worked for no one outside the top 5, fell to 15, and you don't think that matters?

Top 10 if you read the edit.

Do I think it matters? Yes, everything matters. Do I think it matters significantly? No. If a team puts that much stock into a 1 hour circle jerk over hundreds of hours of scouting then they deserve to fail.

Point being: the Spurs were able to see a stud without a private workout. 5 teams had a private workout with him and didn't see a stud. You can't intimate that private workouts matter and then cite a situation where the exact opposite is true.

[jbk1234]

So he worked for no one outside the top 5, fell to 15, and you don't think that matters?

Top 10 if you read the edit.

Do I think it matters? Yes, everything matters. Do I think it matters significantly? No. If a team puts that much stock into a 1 hour circle jerk over hundreds of hours of scouting then they deserve to fail.

Point being: the Spurs were able to see a stud without a private workout. 5 teams had a private workout with him and didn't see a stud. You can't intimate that private workouts matter and then cite a situation where the exact opposite is true.

So his agent cuts off work outs, he falls to 15, the Spurs trade up to get him, and the fact that he didn't work out for those other teams who could have drafted him doesn't matter? I'm trying to follow the logic train here. People are making fun of the Kings for trying to work out as many people as they can including people that aren't projected to go in the top 10.

[rpa]

So his agent cuts off work outs, he falls to 15, the Spurs trade up to get him, and the fact that he didn't work out for those other teams who could have drafted him doesn't matter? I'm trying to follow the logic train here. People are making fun of the Kings for trying to work out as many people as they can including people that aren't projected to go in the top 10.

a) We don't know if his agent cut off the workouts or teams didn't want to work him out.
b) They're making fun of the Kings for *NOT* working out any players in the top 30 (well, 2 apparently: Baldwin and Brown)

Also on that nbadraft.net workout list (http://www.nbadraft.net/2011-nba-draft-workout-master-list) it has Jimmy Butler working out for 11 teams who held picks 1/4/32, 21, 9/19, 28/30, 25, 31, 7, 27, 22, 15, and 23. 10 of those teams passed on him at least once (including the team that ended up taking him).

Again, my point is that private workouts mean absolutely nothing and I think this proof reflects that to a T.

[jbk1234]

So his agent cuts off work outs, he falls to 15, the Spurs trade up to get him, and the fact that he didn't work out for those other teams who could have drafted him doesn't matter? I'm trying to follow the logic train here. People are making fun of the Kings for trying to work out as many people as they can including people that aren't projected to go in the top 10.

a) We don't know if his agent cut off the workouts or teams didn't want to work him out.
b) They're making fun of the Kings for *NOT* working out any players in the top 30 (well, 2 apparently: Baldwin and Brown)

Also on that nbadraft.net workout list (http://www.nbadraft.net/2011-nba-draft-workout-master-list) it has Jimmy Butler working out for 11 teams who held picks 1/4/32, 21, 9/19, 28/30, 25, 31, 7, 27, 22, 15, and 23. 10 of those teams passed on him at least once (including the team that ended up taking him).

Again, my point is that private workouts mean absolutely nothing and I think this proof reflects that to a T.

Given the choice between "reaching" on a player that don't work out or "reaching" on a play that you do work out, who do you take? I'm not talking about a guy who fell from top 10 to 15 and you trade up to get. That's not ingenuous, that's taking advantage of dumb teams. The Kings are at least trying at 8, not to be a dumb team.

[Jon1798]

Can we again move on from this conversation? I don't think the Kawhi back and forth needs to be in the rumor thread.

[freshie2]

Any legs on okafor for #3 rumors with Sixers then maxing Beal? I can't see Washington letting him walk, but like the concept for Philly.

Dunn
Beal
Saric
Simmons
Noel

would be an exciting group. Top 5 league pass team for me.

Swap out Noel for Embiid (although they'll probably get the same amount of playing time) and that lineup is even more intriguing.

[165bows]

The league should hire two sets of doctors to do physicals and the results should be sent to all 30 teams.

Docs in Phoenix are considered part of the team and a competitive advantage. They see things other docs don't sometimes.

But you undermine the purpose of the draft when some players refuse to even take a physical.

I agree with you here. If teams have their own docs that they feel are better, then they can get their own look too if they think it helps them.

[kriss73]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/745962559635861504[/tweet]

Look at the Nets acquiring a pick higher than #24 (the pick Hinkie got from the Thad deal 2 years ago)

[kriss73]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/745966263525122050[/tweet]

If true, this is very interesting.

[Pillendreher]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/745962559635861504[/tweet]

Look at the Nets acquiring a pick higher than #24 (the pick Hinkie got from the Thad deal 2 years ago)

Watch Presti trade for Lamb (again) and let Waiters walk just to get a pick.

[the_process]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/745962559635861504[/tweet]

Look at the Nets acquiring a pick higher than #24 (the pick Hinkie got from the Thad deal 2 years ago)

When you play next to Brook Lopez and get a whole bunch of rebounds you wouldn't normally, VOI LA! Value goes up. Wonder what pick they will get.

[Texas Chuck]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/745966263525122050[/tweet]

If true, this is very interesting.

If their issue is character-related---they are worried about the deception, then okay. But if you think he is draftable at 19, he's draftable at 22.

Oh and Jake Fisher is one of those zeroes.

[kriss73]

Watch Presti trade for Lamb (again) and let Waiters walk just to get a pick.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/745963574426734592[/tweet]

So, Lamb and #22 for Waiters (plus a future second maybe)?

[kriss73]

When you play next to Brook Lopez and get a whole bunch of rebounds you wouldn't normally, VOI LA! Value goes up. Wonder what pick they will get.

My bet is as high as #16 Boston

[kriss73]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/745966263525122050[/tweet]

If true, this is very interesting.

If their issue is character-related---they are worried about the deception, then okay. But if you think he is draftable at 19, he's draftable at 22.

Oh and Jake Fisher is one of those zeroes.

Ok, but I can see a raw player draftable in the bottom of the first round if he's at age 19, but if he's at age 23, the second round is more suitable, isn't it?

The keyword is "raw" imho.

[Masterfully]

Watch Presti trade for Lamb (again) and let Waiters walk just to get a pick.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/745963574426734592[/tweet]

So, Lamb and #22 for Waiters (plus a future second maybe)?

I trust Woj but but Charlotte has tons of cap space. How many top teir free agents are they expecting to get?

[HartfordWhalers]

When you play next to Brook Lopez and get a whole bunch of rebounds you wouldn't normally, VOI LA! Value goes up. Wonder what pick they will get.

My bet is as high as #16 Boston

Thad's a poor fit on Boston. I always send Thad to Memphis, so 17 works.

[kriss73]

When you play next to Brook Lopez and get a whole bunch of rebounds you wouldn't normally, VOI LA! Value goes up. Wonder what pick they will get.

My bet is as high as #16 Boston

Thad's a poor fit on Boston. I always send Thad to Memphis, so 17 works.

Even better but I thought that Mamphis was committed to Malachi.
However, that's the range imho.