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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#61 » by LaSheed » Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:04 pm

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I was told Fournier had a PO but it's not important. Forgive my ignorance of your teams situation, why do you think CJ is a bad fit ?

Hopefully, an elite floor spacer & creator has more value than cap space for team that will have trouble signing one to a losing situation.

If Detroit is interest in paying Claxton 25m to start, what's their intention with Duren. Demote him & potentially lose value on his potential tag or trade him ?.


Fournier has a team option. So unless there is a deal already lined up and for some reason his deal is needed I'd say he's 99% getting it declined lol.


Make it 100%, there is absolutely no situation where his contract would be needed, we have raw cap space, and Fournier is a minimum salary guy nowadays, if anyone want him, all they need to do is offer him the minimum.


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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#62 » by JayTWill » Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:13 pm

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Skybox wrote:Just on principle alone, a team in DET’s position should never jettison a top 5 pick for a pile of stuff. Cade’s about to extend…this is not their summer to kick it down the road….they need to come out with AT LEAST one more foundational piece…maybe two or even three


It's easy to say that but take out the number 5 and put the names of the actual players that may be available at this slot and tell me that you wouldn't trade any of them for this package. Tell me the foundational pieces that you see at this slot when added to this current Detroit team.

Normally at #5 I would be hoping to find a future all star player but in this draft even finding a possible long term starter would be a great success imo. Look at the names being listed in this thread as good picks at #5.

Reed Sheppard, a small scoring guard, in a league where size matters. You are Orlando fan. You know it hasn't been easy to find the right guard for your team.

Cody Williams, a skinny wing, that didn't show much at the college level and is given more attention because his brother has been successful in the NBA.

Stephon Castle, a guard that is solid in some areas but no elite skill with a shaky jump shot. Once again, you are an Orlando fan. You know the disadvantage of some of those traits. If I offered all this for Anthony Black would you say no?


NONE of the pieces offered are remotely interesting to me vs the potential of #5 or AB


Ok, last questions then I will move on... As an Orlando fan that has said your team lacks shooting around Paolo and Franz and has offered Cole Anthony for Robinson in one my last threads since I think you have mentioned wanting a low usage rim protector would you trade away the type of players that you say you want in McBride, a 41% high volume 3 and D guard, Robinson, a low usage defensive big along with two late picks in this draft and a future first that I expect to convey in the 10-16 range down the road to add the potential of a solid young player like Black to the Magic? If so, why?

It's not unreasonable if you would since I am offering the same package for a similar level of player in Castle but I feel like the Knicks' needs are a little different. They are a better shooting team and hopefully they are bringing back iHart as there rim protecting big while McBride is not an ideal fit because of his size next to Brunson our star player and our other small Nova guys. They have plenty of random 1st round picks to offer up in trades. The Knicks also need a better defensive guard with size and hopefully some ball handling next to Brunson where your team already has Suggs as a defensive guard with some ability as an offensive initiator.

What is the role that you eventually imagine Black playing for this team?
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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#63 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:41 pm

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It's easy to say that but take out the number 5 and put the names of the actual players that may be available at this slot and tell me that you wouldn't trade any of them for this package. Tell me the foundational pieces that you see at this slot when added to this current Detroit team.

Normally at #5 I would be hoping to find a future all star player but in this draft even finding a possible long term starter would be a great success imo. Look at the names being listed in this thread as good picks at #5.

Reed Sheppard, a small scoring guard, in a league where size matters. You are Orlando fan. You know it hasn't been easy to find the right guard for your team.

Cody Williams, a skinny wing, that didn't show much at the college level and is given more attention because his brother has been successful in the NBA.

Stephon Castle, a guard that is solid in some areas but no elite skill with a shaky jump shot. Once again, you are an Orlando fan. You know the disadvantage of some of those traits. If I offered all this for Anthony Black would you say no?


NONE of the pieces offered are remotely interesting to me vs the potential of #5 or AB


Ok, last questions then I will move on... As an Orlando fan that has said your team lacks shooting around Paolo and Franz and has offered Cole Anthony for Robinson in one my last threads since I think you have mentioned wanting a low usage rim protector would you trade away the type of players that you say you want in McBride, a 41% high volume 3 and D guard, Robinson, a low usage defensive big along with two late picks in this draft and a future first that I expect to convey in the 10-16 range down the road to add the potential of a solid young player like Black to the Magic? If so, why?

It's not unreasonable if you would since I am offering the same package for a similar level of player in Castle but I feel like the Knicks' needs are a little different. They are a better shooting team and hopefully they are bringing back iHart as there rim protecting big while McBride is not an ideal fit because of his size next to Brunson our star player and our other small Nova guys. They have plenty of random 1st round picks to offer up in trades. The Knicks also need a better defensive guard with size and hopefully some ball handling next to Brunson where your team already has Suggs as a defensive guard with some ability as an offensive initiator.

What is the role that you eventually imagine Black playing for this team?


Sorry to side-track the thread, but :
-McBride is JAG, hard to be a serious "3&D" guy at 6'1 and, as you said, too small next to Brunson. His 3pt % jumped, but I don't consider his attempts to be high-volume and, given his previous years' way below avg %...maybe a fluke, maybe not
-Robinson would be a nice security blanket, but his injury history certainly limits him, he's another just avg. big man without very limited offensive ability. I like him as a backup/different look from Wendell Carter, but don't give him much real value.
-two late firsts in what's considered a weak draft are of interest to me - but limited
-Call it the "magic of the unknown...but we know there will be great players coming out and at #5 in a relatively flat, confusing draft, you've got a really good chance to pick a long-term winner on a rookie deal. Anthony Black is really nothing but intrigue and measurables right now...but I take his mysterious upside over the known limits of McBride & Robinson and later picks any day. Personally, I think Castle (with similarities to AB) might be the star of this draft, but there are quite a few that offer big possibilities. I like Black, if not as a PG, to, at minimum, be a Joe Ingles-type of multi-position "connector" who can basically do just about everything- as needed, hit open 3's, make the right pass, bring up the ball and create offense...but he's also 6'7, young, and looks to be an elite defender. His future may be unclear but it's likely very bright.
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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#64 » by Rockazoids » Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:00 pm

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Skybox wrote:
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It's easy to say that but take out the number 5 and put the names of the actual players that may be available at this slot and tell me that you wouldn't trade any of them for this package. Tell me the foundational pieces that you see at this slot when added to this current Detroit team.

Normally at #5 I would be hoping to find a future all star player but in this draft even finding a possible long term starter would be a great success imo. Look at the names being listed in this thread as good picks at #5.

Reed Sheppard, a small scoring guard, in a league where size matters. You are Orlando fan. You know it hasn't been easy to find the right guard for your team.

Cody Williams, a skinny wing, that didn't show much at the college level and is given more attention because his brother has been successful in the NBA.

Stephon Castle, a guard that is solid in some areas but no elite skill with a shaky jump shot. Once again, you are an Orlando fan. You know the disadvantage of some of those traits. If I offered all this for Anthony Black would you say no?


NONE of the pieces offered are remotely interesting to me vs the potential of #5 or AB


Ok, last questions then I will move on... As an Orlando fan that has said your team lacks shooting around Paolo and Franz and has offered Cole Anthony for Robinson in one my last threads since I think you have mentioned wanting a low usage rim protector would you trade away the type of players that you say you want in McBride, a 41% high volume 3 and D guard, Robinson, a low usage defensive big along with two late picks in this draft and a future first that I expect to convey in the 10-16 range down the road to add the potential of a solid young player like Black to the Magic? If so, why?

It's not unreasonable if you would since I am offering the same package for a similar level of player in Castle but I feel like the Knicks' needs are a little different. They are a better shooting team and hopefully they are bringing back iHart as there rim protecting big while McBride is not an ideal fit because of his size next to Brunson our star player and our other small Nova guys. They have plenty of random 1st round picks to offer up in trades. The Knicks also need a better defensive guard with size and hopefully some ball handling next to Brunson where your team already has Suggs as a defensive guard with some ability as an offensive initiator.

What is the role that you eventually imagine Black playing for this team?

They Knicks are trying to win now so they shouldn't be trading their value contracts who are PO tested for some Rook.
(McBride & Robinson)
They just jettison most of their young players last year so it doesn't seem like your on the right track.
(RJ, IQ, Toppin, & Grimes)
Also you said "our star player and our other Nova guys" Aren't you a Bulls fan?

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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#65 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:05 pm

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JayTWill wrote:
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NONE of the pieces offered are remotely interesting to me vs the potential of #5 or AB


Ok, last questions then I will move on... As an Orlando fan that has said your team lacks shooting around Paolo and Franz and has offered Cole Anthony for Robinson in one my last threads since I think you have mentioned wanting a low usage rim protector would you trade away the type of players that you say you want in McBride, a 41% high volume 3 and D guard, Robinson, a low usage defensive big along with two late picks in this draft and a future first that I expect to convey in the 10-16 range down the road to add the potential of a solid young player like Black to the Magic? If so, why?

It's not unreasonable if you would since I am offering the same package for a similar level of player in Castle but I feel like the Knicks' needs are a little different. They are a better shooting team and hopefully they are bringing back iHart as there rim protecting big while McBride is not an ideal fit because of his size next to Brunson our star player and our other small Nova guys. They have plenty of random 1st round picks to offer up in trades. The Knicks also need a better defensive guard with size and hopefully some ball handling next to Brunson where your team already has Suggs as a defensive guard with some ability as an offensive initiator.

What is the role that you eventually imagine Black playing for this team?

They Knicks are trying to win now so they shouldn't be trading their value contracts who are PO tested for some Rook.
(McBride & Robinson)
They just jettison most of their young players last year so it doesn't seem like your on the right track.
(RJ, IQ, Toppin, & Grimes)
Also you said "our star player and our other Nova guys" Aren't you a Bulls fan?

JayTWill wrote:Ok. This is my first post. Long time bulls fan of 20+ years. Just joined yesterday so i wouldnt be accused of jumping on the bulls bandwagon after they beat the Heat (hopefully).


You sure this in not cgf bunner account? :D


I agree and, if anything, maybe see about moving Randle for a solid piece or two or even draft capital for the next big deal. OG, once settled and healed, can be just as physically imposing as Randle and a better fit just dropping high-volume 3's at 40%.
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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#66 » by cgf » Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:15 pm

Guess it depends on what our scouts say, but Sasser-Deuce is a wash IMO and with Mitch's contract going down, I'm not sure there's much impetus to move his money...especially since it's not like moving him would let us offer IH any more. If his early-birds aren't enough to keep him, we're losing Isaiah.
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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#67 » by cgf » Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:19 pm

Skybox wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
Skybox wrote:
NONE of the pieces offered are remotely interesting to me vs the potential of #5 or AB


Ok, last questions then I will move on... As an Orlando fan that has said your team lacks shooting around Paolo and Franz and has offered Cole Anthony for Robinson in one my last threads since I think you have mentioned wanting a low usage rim protector would you trade away the type of players that you say you want in McBride, a 41% high volume 3 and D guard, Robinson, a low usage defensive big along with two late picks in this draft and a future first that I expect to convey in the 10-16 range down the road to add the potential of a solid young player like Black to the Magic? If so, why?

It's not unreasonable if you would since I am offering the same package for a similar level of player in Castle but I feel like the Knicks' needs are a little different. They are a better shooting team and hopefully they are bringing back iHart as there rim protecting big while McBride is not an ideal fit because of his size next to Brunson our star player and our other small Nova guys. They have plenty of random 1st round picks to offer up in trades. The Knicks also need a better defensive guard with size and hopefully some ball handling next to Brunson where your team already has Suggs as a defensive guard with some ability as an offensive initiator.

What is the role that you eventually imagine Black playing for this team?


Sorry to side-track the thread, but :
-McBride is JAG, hard to be a serious "3&D" guy at 6'1 and, as you said, too small next to Brunson. His 3pt % jumped, but I don't consider his attempts to be high-volume and, given his previous years' way below avg %...maybe a fluke, maybe not
-Robinson would be a nice security blanket, but his injury history certainly limits him, he's another just avg. big man without very limited offensive ability. I like him as a backup/different look from Wendell Carter, but don't give him much real value.
-two late firsts in what's considered a weak draft are of interest to me - but limited
-Call it the "magic of the unknown...but we know there will be great players coming out and at #5 in a relatively flat, confusing draft, you've got a really good chance to pick a long-term winner on a rookie deal. Anthony Black is really nothing but intrigue and measurables right now...but I take his mysterious upside over the known limits of McBride & Robinson and later picks any day. Personally, I think Castle (with similarities to AB) might be the star of this draft, but there are quite a few that offer big possibilities. I like Black, if not as a PG, to, at minimum, be a Joe Ingles-type of multi-position "connector" who can basically do just about everything- as needed, hit open 3's, make the right pass, bring up the ball and create offense...but he's also 6'7, young, and looks to be an elite defender. His future may be unclear but it's likely very bright.


Deuce's defense is special even if his size limits the impact he can have on bigger wings. I was skeptical of his shooting all season, but the kids was a good FT shooter and shot great in the GL on tiny volume. So I'm not sure what the fluke is, him shooting light out once getting steady PT, or him struggling to shoot a good % in garbage time, ya know?

Saying he's JAG might not be wrong, but he's a guy that fits our team and his role really well, with the potential that he's even more than that. If he's needed to make a big move happen I can totally see him being included, but I also wouldn't be surprised if our staff really wanted to keep him if they can use one of their protected FRPs as trade bait instead.
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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#68 » by JayTWill » Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:56 pm

Rockazoids wrote:
JayTWill wrote:
Skybox wrote:
NONE of the pieces offered are remotely interesting to me vs the potential of #5 or AB


Ok, last questions then I will move on... As an Orlando fan that has said your team lacks shooting around Paolo and Franz and has offered Cole Anthony for Robinson in one my last threads since I think you have mentioned wanting a low usage rim protector would you trade away the type of players that you say you want in McBride, a 41% high volume 3 and D guard, Robinson, a low usage defensive big along with two late picks in this draft and a future first that I expect to convey in the 10-16 range down the road to add the potential of a solid young player like Black to the Magic? If so, why?

It's not unreasonable if you would since I am offering the same package for a similar level of player in Castle but I feel like the Knicks' needs are a little different. They are a better shooting team and hopefully they are bringing back iHart as there rim protecting big while McBride is not an ideal fit because of his size next to Brunson our star player and our other small Nova guys. They have plenty of random 1st round picks to offer up in trades. The Knicks also need a better defensive guard with size and hopefully some ball handling next to Brunson where your team already has Suggs as a defensive guard with some ability as an offensive initiator.

What is the role that you eventually imagine Black playing for this team?

They Knicks are trying to win now so they shouldn't be trading their value contracts who are PO tested for some Rook.
(McBride & Robinson)
They just jettison most of their young players last year so it doesn't seem like your on the right track.
(RJ, IQ, Toppin, & Grimes)
Also you said "our star player and our other Nova guys" Aren't you a Bulls fan?

JayTWill wrote:Ok. This is my first post. Long time bulls fan of 20+ years. Just joined yesterday so i wouldnt be accused of jumping on the bulls bandwagon after they beat the Heat (hopefully).


You sure this in not cgf bunner account? :D


I would have no issue adding 1 or 2 young players to the team if I think they are right fit especially with how restrictive the new CBA rules seem to be financially. I wouldn't say they just jettisoned their young players. I assume they didn't want to offer IQ the money or role he wanted and decided to send him and RJ out for a better fitting piece in OG.

I don't think in the beginning of the season they planned on moving Grimes he just underperformed this year and the team was desperate for depth and offensive contributions from the bench that they made that terrible Detroit trade imo. Thibs hated Obi. He was never going to make it in New York.

And yes, I am a native New Yorker that grew up loving basketball and loved Michael Jordan but the toxicity of the neighborhood quickly reminded me that you can't be a fan of both Jordan and the Knicks so I chose the Bulls who I had liked before the championships.

I then supported them through all the multiple Jordan retirements, had my fights every time the Bulls would beat the Knicks in the 90's because the insane level of Knicks fandom, continued to support them through the baby Bulls years and the Derrick Rose years. The Bulls' battles with the Heat gave me a new appreciation for those 1990's Knicks.

I had moved out of New York and this board became my new outlet to discuss basketball but unfortunately I was reintroduced to the toxicity of fan'atics. After Rose got injured in the playoffs but did not come back from the ACL before next years postseason the level of hate directed at him on the Bulls' board made it an unenjoyable experience for me to be a fan. Combine that with the emergence of Butler and the ensuing Butler vs Rose wars I was exhausted so when it was announced that Rose was traded to my hometown team I packed message board bags and moved back home with him.

Rose has left, came back, and left again since then but I stuck around for the disfunction of my hometown organization which I had not been aware for some reason but luckily things have turned around over the last few years. I'm a lifelong Giants' fan, a lifelong Yankees' fan and a second half of life Knicks' fan so yeah I said "our". Deal with it. 8-)

But no, I'm not cgf. I fought in the street in support of the Bulls but even I can't match his passion for random Bulls' players online.

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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#69 » by Whole Truth » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:06 pm

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vege wrote:
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Fournier has a team option. So unless there is a deal already lined up and for some reason his deal is needed I'd say he's 99% getting it declined lol.


Make it 100%, there is absolutely no situation where his contract would be needed, we have raw cap space, and Fournier is a minimum salary guy nowadays, if anyone want him, all they need to do is offer him the minimum.


Vege it's only 1% QUIT YELLING AT ME :lol:


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Post#70 » by Whole Truth » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:10 pm

jbk1234 wrote:I have this as way, way too good for the Knicks. I have Sasser as a stretch, but doable if the new GM thinks he was a miss. Adding No. 5 is just bananas. Nothing the Pistons are getting here is worth that. McBride is the most valuable asset and the Pistons already have Grimes.


There's another rumor floating of Robinson to NO's for the 6th pick. My assumption is BI is probably traded for something like Miles Bridges & the 6th pick which is flipped for Robinson & 24 but like you I don't get Robinson's top 5 pick value, lol. Especially when Detroit can outright overpay for Claxton in free agency.

If NO's managed to net the 6fh pick, I'd be looking at one of Sheppard, Carter, Castle. If I can't ultimately use it to trade up.
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Post#71 » by JayTWill » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:15 pm

cgf wrote:Guess it depends on what our scouts say, but Sasser-Deuce is a wash IMO and with Mitch's contract going down, I'm not sure there's much impetus to move his money...especially since it's not like moving him would let us offer IH any more. If his early-birds aren't enough to keep him, we're losing Isaiah.


I agree that Sasser-Deuce is a wash but while McBride was great in the off ball role next to Brunson the bench's offense struggled with McBride in a more on-ball role. I would be willing to make the swap unless the team found another ball handler to play alongside Deuce on the bench.

As far as Mitch's contract I just feel like the team has a window between now in the deadline to make some adjustments to the team before becoming more locked in to this core after the Brunson is re-signed. It's been great to see Mitch blossom as a second round pick and his defense was amazing on Embiid this postseason but unfortunately injuries have prevented him from being available when we needed him the most.

If I thought the Knicks could re-sign iHart and possibly sign someone like Goga for an even cheaper deal than Mitch's as a back up I would definitely be willing to move Mitch. Goga seems to provide some of the things Mitch brings along with what iHart brings. He is a better free throw shooter than Mitch and has shown some ability to pass out of the high post like iHart but he can also be a bit more foul prone like iHart which Mitch has gotten under control the last few years.
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Post#72 » by JayTWill » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:19 pm

jbk1234 wrote:I have this as way, way too good for the Knicks. I have Sasser as a stretch, but doable if the new GM thinks he was a miss. Adding No. 5 is just bananas. Nothing the Pistons are getting here is worth that. McBride is the most valuable asset and the Pistons already have Grimes.


When you say Sasser is a stretch what do you mean? Are you saying that you might give him up alone for this package?
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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#73 » by louc1970 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 11:45 pm

vege wrote:
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I was told Fournier had a PO but it's not important. Forgive my ignorance of your teams situation, why do you think CJ is a bad fit ?

Hopefully, an elite floor spacer & creator has more value than cap space for team that will have trouble signing one to a losing situation.

If Detroit is interest in paying Claxton 25m to start, what's their intention with Duren. Demote him & potentially lose value on his potential tag or trade him ?.


Fournier has a team option. So unless there is a deal already lined up and for some reason his deal is needed I'd say he's 99% getting it declined lol.


Make it 100%, there is absolutely no situation where his contract would be needed, we have raw cap space, and Fournier is a minimum salary guy nowadays, if anyone want him, all they need to do is offer him the minimum.

It is not a question of want. The idea is any team trading for Fournier is cutting him to save money. So his contract has value.
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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#74 » by vege » Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:09 am

louc1970 wrote:
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Fournier has a team option. So unless there is a deal already lined up and for some reason his deal is needed I'd say he's 99% getting it declined lol.


Make it 100%, there is absolutely no situation where his contract would be needed, we have raw cap space, and Fournier is a minimum salary guy nowadays, if anyone want him, all they need to do is offer him the minimum.

It is not a question of want. The idea is any team trading for Fournier is cutting him to save money. So his contract has value.


That's not how his contract work, if he is traded, it means his team option was picked, after the trade deadline expiring players can't be traded, so you either pick his option or he can't be traded.

and you don't have to cut him to save money, you can straight up save the money by not taking on his contract in the first place Detroit have raw cap space.
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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#75 » by jbk1234 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:12 am

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jbk1234 wrote:I have this as way, way too good for the Knicks. I have Sasser as a stretch, but doable if the new GM thinks he was a miss. Adding No. 5 is just bananas. Nothing the Pistons are getting here is worth that. McBride is the most valuable asset and the Pistons already have Grimes.


When you say Sasser is a stretch what do you mean? Are you saying that you might give him up alone for this package?


Yes. I think Mitchell Robinson gets hurt way, way too much to rely on in any meaningful sense.
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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#76 » by JayTWill » Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:18 am

jbk1234 wrote:
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jbk1234 wrote:I have this as way, way too good for the Knicks. I have Sasser as a stretch, but doable if the new GM thinks he was a miss. Adding No. 5 is just bananas. Nothing the Pistons are getting here is worth that. McBride is the most valuable asset and the Pistons already have Grimes.


When you say Sasser is a stretch what do you mean? Are you saying that you might give him up alone for this package?


Yes. I think Mitchell Robinson gets hurt way, way too much to rely on in any meaningful sense.


You think Sasser is worth 2 late firsts, the Detroit protected pick, McBride and Mitch? Is Mitch negative value or you just value Sasser much higher than I do? This package is close to the package offered to Portland to get Jrue Holiday to Boston.
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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#77 » by tmorgan » Sat Jun 22, 2024 12:51 am

I dunno what Sasser is worth, but despite being about the same size (ie, small), he’s a very different player.

Duece is currently the better shooter and defender, but Sasser has a lot of potential in both of those areas. What Sasser has is a truly excellent handle, to the point that his size is no detriment when looking for his shot. It’s truly near elite already. Not the passer he could be yet, though.

Not sure I consider Sasser/McBride a wash, given the additional team control. But still, in this draft, 5 for Mitch (positive value on his deal, but not a ton), two late firsts and our first back still works for me if the four guys I’d rather have go 1 thru 4.
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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#78 » by jbk1234 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 1:09 am

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When you say Sasser is a stretch what do you mean? Are you saying that you might give him up alone for this package?


Yes. I think Mitchell Robinson gets hurt way, way too much to rely on in any meaningful sense.


You think Sasser is worth 2 late firsts, the Detroit protected pick, McBride and Mitch? Is Mitch negative value or you just value Sasser much higher than I do? This package is close to the package offered to Portland to get Jrue Holiday to Boston.


I think McBride is the best asset here, the Pistons have Grimes already, and I think the Knicks will have a hard time finding a team that will offer cap space on Mitch.

I suspect that a playoff/tax team would value McBride a lot more than a lottery team sitting on $60M in space and they could toss in another late first. So three late firsts for a player taken in the top 5 last year? If the new GM is convinced that Weaver missed, then yes.
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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#79 » by Kalamazoo317 » Sat Jun 22, 2024 1:13 am

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Like Stewart, want no part of Fournier, not trading BI & the 21st pick for a backup 4/5


Fournier's on a team option, so he's irrelevant and could immediately come off the books. I like Stew and would prefer to keep him, but, yeah, the value's there. I'd probably trade Stew and Sasser for Ingram and #21. There's a risk with Ingram being an expiring, of course, and his injury history. I can see why NO would make the move for fit.

Also, I think Stew would start in the front court for NO alongside Zion.


I like Stewart more than Duren as a target but not to start.

Here's the thing with BI. Same reason teams are weary of his contract, same reason BI will look to want to extend his contract.

This trade is basically NO's #2 & lotto pick for Detroit's backup 5 & cap space.


#21 isn't a lotto pick
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Re: New York/Detroit 

Post#80 » by JayTWill » Sat Jun 22, 2024 1:41 am

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Yes. I think Mitchell Robinson gets hurt way, way too much to rely on in any meaningful sense.


You think Sasser is worth 2 late firsts, the Detroit protected pick, McBride and Mitch? Is Mitch negative value or you just value Sasser much higher than I do? This package is close to the package offered to Portland to get Jrue Holiday to Boston.


I think McBride is the best asset here, the Pistons have Grimes already, and I think the Knicks will have a hard time finding a team that will offer cap space on Mitch.

I suspect that a playoff/tax team would value McBride a lot more than a lottery team sitting on $60M in space and they could toss in another late first. So three late firsts for a player taken in the top 5 last year? If the new GM is convinced that Weaver missed, then yes.


Are you confusing Marcus Sasser with Ausar Thompson?

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