Make Your Best Offer: Gordon Hayward

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Re: Make Your Best Offer: Gordon Hayward 

Post#81 » by BeesWax » Tue Jan 3, 2023 1:12 am

Apz wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:The question I have is when does Gordon turn from a negative contract to a neutral contract?
Westbrook is 3rd highest paid player in league and his contract at 47 million seems pretty movable at times.
Hayward will be the 40th highest paid player in league next year with an expiring of 31.5 million.

So lets say for a team like Dallas...

They can acquire Hayward at deadline, pay him half his salary for second half of this year (15 million) try him out in the playoffs for a year. If he fails and Dallas hates it.... how hard is it move an expiring contract his size next year? You could make argument that his contract becomes one of Dallas better assets if they truly were willing to attach picks and go star hunting...

For Hornets, I just don't see them rushing to move him if it will cost them significantly less to move him this summer as an expiring. We aren't winning anyways, so moving him now doesn't really push the needle.


Well, i wouldnt taken wb contract from lakers without 2 unp 1sts last summer, and wouldnt do it without 1 at the deadline this year. So guess answer is his best tradevalue is next tradeline when he is about to expire, but they still would have to pay in some way, like taking back longer bad salary. Unlrss u find a team that are desperate to get capspace for 24 summer. But only 5 teams are tanking and most of the teams are operating over the cap since its the only way to stay relevant

The biggest difference in Hayward is useful when he plays and WB isn’t. Hayward if healthy plays winning basketball and helps make others better.
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Re: Make Your Best Offer: Gordon Hayward 

Post#82 » by Wizop » Tue Jan 3, 2023 3:28 am

I read elsewhere that Hayward got hurt today.

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Re: Make Your Best Offer: Gordon Hayward 

Post#83 » by NYG » Tue Jan 3, 2023 4:46 am

Depending on the injury...

Hayward to Dallas
LeVert and Dwight Powell to the Hornets
Bullock and McGee to the Cavs

??
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Re: Make Your Best Offer: Gordon Hayward 

Post#84 » by Texas Chuck » Tue Jan 3, 2023 4:51 am

NYG wrote:Depending on the injury...

Hayward to Dallas
LeVert and Dwight Powell to the Hornets
Bullock and McGee to the Cavs

??


I think at this point it has to be Bertans as part of the matching. And if that kills it, it kills it. McGee just isn't enough bad money out and I keep saying this and I know nobody believes it because jax just posted a 4 team trade with Dwight Powell and he didn't bother to send Powell to another team lol, but Dallas actually needs Powell with no Kleber.
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Re: Make Your Best Offer: Gordon Hayward 

Post#85 » by Resistance » Tue Jan 3, 2023 5:01 am

New year, similar result. Takeaways from the Hornets’ loss to the Lakers


    It took all of three quarters for the Hornets to lose another player to injury after one had returned. And the name is a familiar one.

    Hayward left in the fourth quarter with left hamstring soreness and didn’t return.

    “It’s the name of our season, man,” Rozier said. “We’ve just got to make the best of it. It’s just tough seeing your brother that works hard every day, it’s tough seeing them go down and obviously it puts pressure on our team. But we can’t mess around with injuries. You’ve just got to hope for the best and we’ll be OK. We’ll figure it out.”


    Hayward, who’s missed 17 games due to injury already this season, was struggling before exiting. He posted eight points on 2 of 9 shooting in 26 minutes and that came on the heels of his rough outing against Brooklyn two nights earlier when he managed just two points after making 1 of 7 attempts.
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Re: Make Your Best Offer: Gordon Hayward 

Post#86 » by DanishLakerFan » Tue Jan 3, 2023 10:48 am

Hayward, Rozier, Plumlee, PJ Washington for Westbrook, Nunn, 2 FRPs (top 4 protected).
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Re: Make Your Best Offer: Gordon Hayward 

Post#87 » by zimpy27 » Tue Jan 3, 2023 11:23 am

Texas Chuck wrote:
NYG wrote:Depending on the injury...

Hayward to Dallas
LeVert and Dwight Powell to the Hornets
Bullock and McGee to the Cavs

??


I think at this point it has to be Bertans as part of the matching. And if that kills it, it kills it. McGee just isn't enough bad money out and I keep saying this and I know nobody believes it because jax just posted a 4 team trade with Dwight Powell and he didn't bother to send Powell to another team lol, but Dallas actually needs Powell with no Kleber.


I believe ya. Powell is a decent player and I think is probably more valued in modern NBA offense around the league than on here.
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Re: Make Your Best Offer: Gordon Hayward 

Post#88 » by jayjaysee » Tue Jan 3, 2023 12:27 pm

At this point, I’d only be offering Bertans+Bullock+2nds. If Charlotte can turn Bullock into a late first using 2nds or maybe get a pick swap for Denver’s first.. They might consider it.

But the offer that Chuck, and I, used to flood the forum with of stacking contracts to give Charlotte pure expirings and 2nds - I don’t think it’s there anymore.

If Buddy has any value in the league, I think there’s a deal out there between him and Hayward. But I wouldn’t give up the cap space I need for Turner this season m. So I think it has to include Buddy. And Indiana would want something back, so needs a third team.
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Re: Make Your Best Offer: Gordon Hayward 

Post#89 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Jan 3, 2023 1:47 pm

jayjaysee wrote:At this point, I’d only be offering Bertans+Bullock+2nds. If Charlotte can turn Bullock into a late first using 2nds or maybe get a pick swap for Denver’s first.. They might consider it.

But the offer that Chuck, and I, used to flood the forum with of stacking contracts to give Charlotte pure expirings and 2nds - I don’t think it’s there anymore.

If Buddy has any value in the league, I think there’s a deal out there between him and Hayward. But I wouldn’t give up the cap space I need for Turner this season m. So I think it has to include Buddy. And Indiana would want something back, so needs a third team.


Honestly, with continued injury, it’s probably closer to Indy being willing to do Buddy/Theis for Hayward, but that makes little sense for Charlotte, as it saves them only $3m over the next two years, and just adds another SG that needs minutes. Even though Buddy is a paragon of playing every game possible, I just don’t see them having a ton of interest in playing a Lamelo/Rozier/Buddy starting lineup, even if Indy is playing Buddy similarly at the 3/4 right now.

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