Official [Shams] Pacers trade #23 to New Orleans

[gswhoops]

What would the Pels gain by waiting?

He's implying that Haliburton is going to suffer a far more serious injury because it once happened to this other guy and so the Pels should hold the 26 pick because the Pacers will play a season without Hali.

Stretchhhhhhhhhhhh

Awkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkward

[eminence]

Yep, some variant of that was the danger.

[Wizop]

As Bill Polian used to say quoting Marv Levy - if whatever you did didn't work, you should've done the other thing.

[meridian]

Was Ind 1st 26 protected? If not, the Pels FO made a strange move

Exactly what happened. NOLA should fire their stupid GM effective inmidiately.

I do find it odd that NO was willing to do this trade at the time they did it even sitting aside the potential of Haliburton tearing his achilles. Pick 23 is low enough where I expect teams only want it for a specific player and you wouldn't trade for it until that pick is on the clock. From that standpoint I don't understand it.

From the perspective that they just lost out on a lottery pick in 2026 I don't think that will be the case. While the Pacers cannot contend without Haliburton they should still finish in the top 8 of the east if they keep most of the current group intact. The Pacers owner has never been willing to tank. Prior to the Pacers picking Bennedict Mathurin #6 in 2022 they had not had a pick inside the top 10 since 1988 when they pick Rik Smits #2. Plus, the city was really behind this current group with the run they just had. I think they will at least try to make the best of a bad situation in 2025-2026 and the chances of them having a significantly worse pick than 23 are not that good, IMO.

[gswhoops]

Was Ind 1st 26 protected? If not, the Pels FO made a strange move

Exactly what happened. NOLA should fire their stupid GM effective inmidiately.

I do find it odd that NO was willing to do this trade at the time they did it even sitting aside the potential of Haliburton tearing his achilles. Pick 23 is low enough where I expect teams only want it for a specific player and you wouldn't trade for it until that pick is on the clock. From that standpoint I don't understand it.

From the perspective that they just lost out on a lottery pick in 2026 I don't think that will be the case. While the Pacers cannot contend without Haliburton they should still finish in the top 8 of the east if they keep most of the current group intact. The Pacers owner has never been willing to tank. Prior to the Pacers picking Bennedict Mathurin #6 in 2022 they had not had a pick inside the top 10 since 1988 when they pick Rik Smits #2. Plus, the city was really behind this current group with the run they just had. I think they will at least try to make the best of a bad situation in 2025-2026 and the chances of them having a significantly worse pick than 23 are not that good, IMO.

Top 8 is generally less relevant these days, if they're not in the top 6 I think it's still fair to call it a potential lottery pick.

[Wizop]

The Pacers owner has never been willing to tank.

I wonder if Indy and OKC are similar in this regard. big markets like NYC and LA sell lots of tickets to businesses who buy them to give to customers and their purchase decision doesn't depend upon how good the team is. here in Indy most of the ticket buyers are regular fans. that's why the fieldhouse was so loud and I'm guessing it is why it is equally loud in OKC. the Pacer owner lost a lot of money in the years after the brawl when people got turned off and didn't renew their seats. (no boo hoos necessary as the worth of the franchise has skyrocketed). we had a winning home record for almost 30 years in a row. trying to win is necessary to sell tickets.

[Scoot McGroot]

The Pacers owner has never been willing to tank.

I wonder if Indy and OKC are similar in this regard. big markets like NYC and LA sell lots of tickets to businesses who buy them to give to customers and their purchase decision doesn't depend upon how good the team is. here in Indy most of the ticket buyers are regular fans. that's why the fieldhouse was so loud and I'm guessing it is why it is equally loud in OKC. the Pacer owner lost a lot of money in the years after the brawl when people got turned off and didn't renew their seats. (no boo hoos necessary as the worth of the franchise has skyrocketed). we had a winning home record for almost 30 years in a row. trying to win is necessary to sell tickets.

Also, at this point, Herb Simon is 90 years old. Can’t imagine he wants to do anything other than keep trying to get close, and certainly not make trades that sets you for “3 years out at the earliest”. He may not have 3 years.

[Wizop]

Also, at this point, Herb Simon is 90 years old. Can’t imagine he wants to do anything other than keep trying to get close, and certainly not make trades that sets you for “3 years out at the earliest”. He may not have 3 years.

but his son does and he's moving into the chair

[Laimbeer]

With Hali out this seems wise for the Pacers.

[MasterIchiro]

He's implying that Haliburton is going to suffer a far more serious injury because it once happened to this other guy and so the Pels should hold the 26 pick because the Pacers will play a season without Hali.

Stretchhhhhhhhhhhh

Awkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkward

Class dismissed.

[Scoot McGroot]

Also, at this point, Herb Simon is 90 years old. Can’t imagine he wants to do anything other than keep trying to get close, and certainly not make trades that sets you for “3 years out at the earliest”. He may not have 3 years.

but his son does and he's moving into the chair

But Herb probably wants to see them win one before he dies.

[esvl]

Was Ind 1st 26 protected? If not, the Pels FO made a strange move

Exactly what happened. NOLA should fire their stupid GM effective inmidiately.

I do find it odd that NO was willing to do this trade at the time they did it even sitting aside the potential of Haliburton tearing his achilles. Pick 23 is low enough where I expect teams only want it for a specific player and you wouldn't trade for it until that pick is on the clock. From that standpoint I don't understand it.

From the perspective that they just lost out on a lottery pick in 2026 I don't think that will be the case. While the Pacers cannot contend without Haliburton they should still finish in the top 8 of the east if they keep most of the current group intact. The Pacers owner has never been willing to tank. Prior to the Pacers picking Bennedict Mathurin #6 in 2022 they had not had a pick inside the top 10 since 1988 when they pick Rik Smits #2. Plus, the city was really behind this current group with the run they just had. I think they will at least try to make the best of a bad situation in 2025-2026 and the chances of them having a significantly worse pick than 23 are not that good, IMO.

This draft is weak, so what was the point for NO to give up all the chances to get the 5-22 pick in the next strong draft? Somebody fd up.

[MasterIchiro]

Exactly what happened. NOLA should fire their stupid GM effective inmidiately.

I do find it odd that NO was willing to do this trade at the time they did it even sitting aside the potential of Haliburton tearing his achilles. Pick 23 is low enough where I expect teams only want it for a specific player and you wouldn't trade for it until that pick is on the clock. From that standpoint I don't understand it.

From the perspective that they just lost out on a lottery pick in 2026 I don't think that will be the case. While the Pacers cannot contend without Haliburton they should still finish in the top 8 of the east if they keep most of the current group intact. The Pacers owner has never been willing to tank. Prior to the Pacers picking Bennedict Mathurin #6 in 2022 they had not had a pick inside the top 10 since 1988 when they pick Rik Smits #2. Plus, the city was really behind this current group with the run they just had. I think they will at least try to make the best of a bad situation in 2025-2026 and the chances of them having a significantly worse pick than 23 are not that good, IMO.

This draft is weak, so what was the point for NO to give up all the chances to get the 5-22 pick in the next strong draft? Somebody fd up.

That would be Joe Dumars. His phone must be blowing up with trade proposals.