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[eminence]

Wiggins is negative value and his value diving fast. Any San Fran argument he is a good player to them is dying on the vine quickly.

Wiggins + 1st for Prince would be a VERY lucky outcome for them.

Beasley = Moody.

Like I said, way off, apparently due to a very very different evaluation of Beasley, who I think would return a late 1st to the right team (see Clarkson to Utah for 2 2nds).

You say way off, but your explanation is a late lotto vs a late 1st (which I don’t agree with). That is not way off.

Plus you would be lucky to get a playable vet expiring for Wiggins at this point. I would bet a poll of Prince vs. Wiggins would yield huge value advantage to Prince.

You need to provide substance how this is “way” off.

I'm not interested in pedantry around 'way off'.

I would consider the deal with Moody removed (Wiggins/1st for Beasley/Prince), but it wouldn't be a snap deal, I would shop for better players, and honestly believe we could get them, multiple propositions from fans of other squads have looked better to me (Chuck has proposed Dallas deals I'd prefer, I've seen Magic deals I'd like more, I personally like the Wizards as a partner).

[JRoy]

You need to explain that. Radioactive is VERY strong words.

No doubt he carries some level of tarnish on his value, but other NBA crimes (actual and public opinion) have been MUCH worse — and those players weren’t radioactive.

Also, his legal troubles are behind him. Served his time. No trials. Nothing but probation to help keep him straight.

Obvious agenda is obvious.

Beasley isnt radioactive, lol, cmon now. His value is lowered cause of his history, but it's not like he did something that automatically turns people off and make them hate him like child beating, rape or dog fighting. He was an idiot and an azzhole who threatened people on his property with a gun, but you can come back from that. You cant come back from the other chit i posted. A lot of guys in the league have had some level of trouble with the law (a lot much worse than him) and moved on from it.

Radioactive is the wrong word to use here. Im pretty sure Minny paid him after this happened as well, so they clearly didnt think he was radioactive.

Right, just silly hijinks.

Let some other franchise take on that risk.

[Wolveswin]

Obvious agenda is obvious.

Beasley isnt radioactive, lol, cmon now. His value is lowered cause of his history, but it's not like he did something that automatically turns people off and make them hate him like child beating, rape or dog fighting. He was an idiot and an azzhole who threatened people on his property with a gun, but you can come back from that. You cant come back from the other chit i posted. A lot of guys in the league have had some level of trouble with the law (a lot much worse than him) and moved on from it.

Radioactive is the wrong word to use here. Im pretty sure Minny paid him after this happened as well, so they clearly didnt think he was radioactive.

Right, just silly hijinks.

Let some other franchise take on that risk.

Just admit Radioactive is completely wrong word. I get the truth doesn’t fit your narrative, but be better than that.

[SNPA]

Wolves get - Simmon/Tristan

Kings get - Harris/Prince

Philly gets - Russell/Hield/Bags/McDaniels/Wolves unprotected/Kings lotto protected.

[JRoy]

Beasley isnt radioactive, lol, cmon now. His value is lowered cause of his history, but it's not like he did something that automatically turns people off and make them hate him like child beating, rape or dog fighting. He was an idiot and an azzhole who threatened people on his property with a gun, but you can come back from that. You cant come back from the other chit i posted. A lot of guys in the league have had some level of trouble with the law (a lot much worse than him) and moved on from it.

Radioactive is the wrong word to use here. Im pretty sure Minny paid him after this happened as well, so they clearly didnt think he was radioactive.

Right, just silly hijinks.

Let some other franchise take on that risk.

Just admit Radioactive is completely wrong word. I get the truth doesn’t fit your narrative, but be better than that.

If you don’t like radioactive as a term for Beasley, do you prefer “Owed millions of dollars and prone to dangerous, impulse driven behavior”?

You can imagine his behavior doesn’t crash his value if you like, you’re not on the hook for his contract if it happens again.

[Ballerhogger]

THUNDER
In: Maxey / Simons / Bagley / Kings 22 Out: SGA / Maledon / Williams

Favors / Muscala / Earl
Bagley / Bazley / Roby
Simons / Poku / Brown
Dort / Jerome / Krejci
Maxey / Giddey / Mann

Thunder is one Chet Holdrem from having a very promising team ... progress in construction and continues to fatten the chest of selections

76ERS
In: Hield / SGA / Maledon
Out: Simons / Maxey / Green

Embiid / Dru / Bassey
Harris / Niang / Clark
Thybulle / Korkmaz / Joe
Hield / Milton / Springer
SGA / Curry / Maledon

76 get the best possible player / fit and forget the problems Simons (future) Maxey ...

KINGS
In: Green / Williams
Out: Bagley / Hield / Kings22

Holmes/Thompson/Lenn
Barnes/Harkless/King
Green/K.Williams/Woodard
Hali/Davis/Ramsey
Fox/Mitchell/Guy

Kings save an absurd amount of money and get some nice adjustments

best trade I’ve seen just don’t think okc giving up sga

Why would the Kings do this?

They save boat load of money they have no interest keeping

[Wolveswin]

Right, just silly hijinks.

Let some other franchise take on that risk.

Just admit Radioactive is completely wrong word. I get the truth doesn’t fit your narrative, but be better than that.

If you don’t like radioactive as a term for Beasley, do you prefer “Owed millions of dollars and prone to dangerous, impulse driven behavior”?

You can imagine his behavior doesn’t crash his value if you like, you’re not on the hook for his contract if it happens again.

You do realize he signed the contract after the event? I am sure the contract has all kind of good behavior clauses. And being on the hook for a value contract is least of teams worries.

Does his value take a hit? Sure. I have said that. Every poster responding to you has said that. Radioactive he is not.

[JRoy]

Just admit Radioactive is completely wrong word. I get the truth doesn’t fit your narrative, but be better than that.

If you don’t like radioactive as a term for Beasley, do you prefer “Owed millions of dollars and prone to dangerous, impulse driven behavior”?

You can imagine his behavior doesn’t crash his value if you like, you’re not on the hook for his contract if it happens again.

You do realize he signed the contract after the event? I am sure the contract has all kind of good behavior clauses. And being on the hook for a value contract is least of teams worries.

Does his value take a hit? Sure. I have said that. Every poster responding to you has said that. Radioactive he is not.

Like POR, MN is not a free agent destination. They were willing to sign him despite the risk. That doesn’t mean other teams are lining up to do so.

The specter of the jail blazer era left a mark on the franchise and POR probably wouldn’t take him at any price.

[Sportfan73]

Count me in the camp that unless it’s left field for kyrie or Jamal Murray, it’s going to be CJ, cov, and pick. Sixers sources, higher up nba sources, and other team sources have all been consistent in saying morey isn’t taking back a picks package for a later trade. It’s either a 3 team deal or not a picks deal.

[zimpy27]

POR trades CJ+Nurkic+POR22FRP
POR gets Simmons+Dragic
Lillard, Powell, Simmons, Covington, Nance -- Dragic, Simons, Snell, Little, Zeller

PHI trades Simmons+Milton
PHI gets CJ+Boucher+POR22FRP
CJ, Maxey, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Curry, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Boucher, Drummond

TOR trades Dragic+Boucher
TOR gets Nurkic+Milton
FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam, Nurkic -- Flynn, Milton, Barnes, Achiuwa, Birch

[dalton749]

POR trades CJ+Nurkic+POR22FRP
POR gets Simmons+Dragic
Lillard, Powell, Simmons, Covington, Nance -- Dragic, Simons, Snell, Little, Zeller

PHI trades Simmons+Milton
PHI gets CJ+Boucher+POR22FRP
CJ, Maxey, Green, Harris, Embiid -- Curry, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Boucher, Drummond

TOR trades Dragic+Boucher
TOR gets Nurkic+Milton
FVV, Trent, OG, Siakam, Nurkic -- Flynn, Milton, Barnes, Achiuwa, Birch

Pretty solid deal all around I think. Not sure I want Portland to give up a pick there though unless there is another competitive offer. Maybe something like this would drive up the price a little.

Philly trades: Simmons, green
Philly gets: Beasley, grant, mcgruder, 2022 Minny 1st

Curry, Beasley, Harris, grant, embiid

Minny trades: Beasley, mcdaniels, prince, Beverly, 2022 1st(unprotected), 2024 1st(top 10 protected)
Minny gets: Simmons, green, Joseph

Dlo, ant, green, Simmons, towns

Detroit trades: Joseph, grant, mcgruder
Detroit gets: prince, Beverly, mcdaniels, 2024 minny 1st

Hayes, Cade, bey, mcdaniels, Stewart

[eminence]

GS decides Simmons does fit as the 5, a pair of teams who've been rumored to be in the Simmons sweepstakes decide to go for younger prospects instead. Not balanced with picks, do the players and directions make sense?

GS In: Simmons/White
GS Out: Wiggins/Wiseman/Kuminga

PHI In: Wiggins/Sexton
PHI Out: Simmons

CLE In: Kuminga
CLE Out: Sexton

SAS In: Wiseman
SAS Out: White

At first glance, I'd for sure have the Cavs adding, but I'm not sure on the Spurs in particular.

Feedback?

[NYG]

Count me in the camp that unless it’s left field for kyrie or Jamal Murray, it’s going to be CJ, cov, and pick. Sixers sources, higher up nba sources, and other team sources have all been consistent in saying morey isn’t taking back a picks package for a later trade. It’s either a 3 team deal or not a picks deal.

It's Beal, Lillard, a random star or Simmons sits until that option is out there.

[deadfeather]

Count me in the camp that unless it’s left field for kyrie or Jamal Murray, it’s going to be CJ, cov, and pick. Sixers sources, higher up nba sources, and other team sources have all been consistent in saying morey isn’t taking back a picks package for a later trade. It’s either a 3 team deal or not a picks deal.

It's Beal, Lillard, a random star or Simmons sits until that option is out there.

This. I think it's time Morey bites the bullet and throws in a protected pick. This standoff for a straight up trade is going to be unfruitful. Add the pick and take on an aging star. Dame or Beal would be great replacements. I dont think a late pick is too much given the circumstances.

[GTR11]

Count me in the camp that unless it’s left field for kyrie or Jamal Murray, it’s going to be CJ, cov, and pick. Sixers sources, higher up nba sources, and other team sources have all been consistent in saying morey isn’t taking back a picks package for a later trade. It’s either a 3 team deal or not a picks deal.

It's Beal, Lillard, a random star or Simmons sits until that option is out there.

This. I think it's time Morey bites the bullet and throws in a protected pick. This standoff for a straight up trade is going to be unfruitful. Add the pick and take on an aging star. Dame or Beal would be great replacements. I dont think a late pick is too much given the circumstances.

It got into personal level and won't end good for either Morey or Ben. Both got paid and can care less.

It seems like entire propaganda been generated against Ben by media, certain ex players and fans. Since the minute Morey got hired Ben was on a Market and talk of the months. I get Ben and actually on his side here. He wants situation where he's wanted and not some tool. Furthermore his coach and players questioned him. Me I'm good, I'm out. He has to lose something for a better good. They spoken and their actions back that up. IT'S OVER!!!

This is just shows what type of an **** Morey is. He had a better package than Brooklyn and didn't do deal because of personal feelings. Now he won't do Dame/Beal deal because it personal with Ben.

J.Kidd wanted out, traded him to team he picked. D. Will wanted out, gave him his money and said thank you. Vince, Joe etc etc. I'm with Ben all the way here.

[Sportfan73]

Count me in the camp that unless it’s left field for kyrie or Jamal Murray, it’s going to be CJ, cov, and pick. Sixers sources, higher up nba sources, and other team sources have all been consistent in saying morey isn’t taking back a picks package for a later trade. It’s either a 3 team deal or not a picks deal.

It's Beal, Lillard, a random star or Simmons sits until that option is out there.

This. I think it's time Morey bites the bullet and throws in a protected pick. This standoff for a straight up trade is going to be unfruitful. Add the pick and take on an aging star. Dame or Beal would be great replacements. I dont think a late pick is too much given the circumstances.

I agree with this. Instead of getting the closest to Ben’s value you can get without including anything else, just add on time and get the guy you want or at least feel good about adding next to Embiid

[cool93]

Obvious agenda is obvious.

Beasley isnt radioactive, lol, cmon now. His value is lowered cause of his history, but it's not like he did something that automatically turns people off and make them hate him like child beating, rape or dog fighting. He was an idiot and an azzhole who threatened people on his property with a gun, but you can come back from that. You cant come back from the other chit i posted. A lot of guys in the league have had some level of trouble with the law (a lot much worse than him) and moved on from it.

Radioactive is the wrong word to use here. Im pretty sure Minny paid him after this happened as well, so they clearly didnt think he was radioactive.

JRoy I am sure doesn’t even know what Beasley did. Or still thinks the fake news of it being a baby in the car is what he holds as the truth.

Funny thing is, in many states the weapon charge wouldn’t even had been a thing, the amount of marijuana found was the only crime. But yet Beasley to JRoy is “radioactive.”

Nothing to see here…

He has no value for other teams after that, so if you aren't throwing him in as pure salary match, you are better of keeping him.

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[cool93]

I'd like to see D'Lo + Beasley + 1st for Simmons + filler. Minnesota gets rid of their worst defenders and puts together an ideal pairing in Towns-KAT. Philly ... well I don't love it for them to be honest, but they at least get some scoring and playmaking.

That might end up being the deal but I wouldn’t do it personally. That’s too much outside shooting going out for a team starved for shooters. Value wise, it’s about what I expect in return for Simmons who I’d like to see on the Wolves. KAT and Ant are the only untouchables but man…I’d really like to hang on to McDaniels.


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This surely won't be close to tge deal, cause Russell is a horrible player. He isnt worth Harris, let alone Simmons. I bet analytics guy like Morey would never take him in ANY deal. He is agarbage scorer for bad teams, nothing more. Adding to that just criminal and one pick won't be enough even if Simmons misses entire year.

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[Sportfan73]

I'd like to see D'Lo + Beasley + 1st for Simmons + filler. Minnesota gets rid of their worst defenders and puts together an ideal pairing in Towns-KAT. Philly ... well I don't love it for them to be honest, but they at least get some scoring and playmaking.

That might end up being the deal but I wouldn’t do it personally. That’s too much outside shooting going out for a team starved for shooters. Value wise, it’s about what I expect in return for Simmons who I’d like to see on the Wolves. KAT and Ant are the only untouchables but man…I’d really like to hang on to McDaniels.


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This surely won't be close to tge deal, cause Russell is a horrible player. He isnt worth Harris, let alone Simmons. I bet analytics guy like Morey would never take him in ANY deal. He is agarbage scorer for bad teams, nothing more. Adding to that just criminal and one pick won't be enough even if Simmons misses entire year.

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And upside is quickly going away with him hitting 25 years old

[durantbird]

Hayward + 1st for Simmons?

Philly gets a reliable offensive option, and while not a point guard he is a good facilitator.
Charlotte gets a defensive addition, who can work well with LaMelo as their core.

Philly depth chart:
Maxey / Seth / Springer
Seth / Milton / Danny Green
Hayward / Danny Green / Thybulle / Korkmaz
Tobias / Hayward
Ebmiid / Drummond

Charlotte depth chart:
LaMelo / Simmons / Rozier
Rozier / Bouknight
Bridges / Iwundu
Simmons / Washington / Kai Jones
Plumlee / Washington / Simmons