2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - Westbrook and Love edition

[al bondiga]

I feel for Spida. Skolnick loves the sound of his yappy little voice. Seems to me that Jimmy is the kind of player to have concerns playing against rather than alongside.

The one I feel for is m. Leonard ...That kid had a raw deal Because he had a big mental lapse And he is trying to get back to the NBA...bucks finally signed him ... 2nd chance... But let's face it He will have to make a love threes, Because hes not particularly talented

[Hallstar]

Spoiler:

We need to score too Jimbo

Need to quit pulling the ball out of the hoop and letting their defense set up by play better defense, getting a defensive rebound and not let the other team just set up defensively. It is crazy to see how easy of shots the other team gets throughout the game against some of the poor defenders on the team.

Then you need to explain why far worse defensive teams than us happen to be far better offensively than us....aren't they taking the ball out of the same net?

Defense has a ceiling, offense in the modern NBA almost doesn't.

Why are we almost always last in pace? No player is changing that..it's the system.

[ShulaDon92]

Jovic balling off the bench for Sioux Fall today


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Been very good since coming back from injury.

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17pts, 9rebs, 3ast, 2stl, 2to on 8-11fg and 1-4 3fg.

Loved that cross court pass for the TD. Jovic must keep growing. He will be a player.

[DayofMourning]

Spoiler:

We need to score too Jimbo

Need to quit pulling the ball out of the hoop and letting their defense set up by play better defense, getting a defensive rebound and not let the other team just set up defensively. It is crazy to see how easy of shots the other team gets throughout the game against some of the poor defenders on the team.

Then you need to explain why far worse defensive teams than us happen to be far better offensively than us....aren't they taking the ball out of the same net?

Defense has a ceiling, offense in the modern NBA almost doesn't.

Why are we almost always last in pace? No player is changing that..it's the system.

Well said.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

We need to score too Jimbo

Need to quit pulling the ball out of the hoop and letting their defense set up by play better defense, getting a defensive rebound and not let the other team just set up defensively. It is crazy to see how easy of shots the other team gets throughout the game against some of the poor defenders on the team.

Then you need to explain why far worse defensive teams than us happen to be far better offensively than us....aren't they taking the ball out of the same net?

Defense has a ceiling, offense in the modern NBA almost doesn't.

Why are we almost always last in pace? No player is changing that..it's the system.

Miami is trying to go at a slower pace.
1. Miami doesn't have the offensive talent to go head-to-head against other teams to try to outscore them.
2. Miami's 2 best players don't shoot 3s but are efficient scorers.
3. Defense is a heavy in effort so for more possessions the more tired your players are.

So, these are the reasons why you go at a slow pace if you want to win games.

If Miami tries to pick up the pace... they're going to look worse.

Just with the eye test... Miami's 3pt shooters' roles have expanded this year. They are driving and kicking more vs then just take the 3pt shot and with that, you're removing one of the 3pt options on the court when they're being the passer vs Butler and Bam are making the passes. Herro got moved to the starting lineup replacing a catch and shoot SG and yet he handles the ball a ton which means he's only got 2 possible 3pt shooters to pass to whereas in previous years Bam or Butler had 3 3pt options to pass to.

If Miami's pace were to pick up, they'd probably get beat even more often and by bigger amounts with no real way to fix the situation in the next offseason.

A crazy idea, with Butler and Bam as Miami's best 2 players by far, how about fill up the roster with 2-way players vs players who are flawed on one side of the floor? It would be interesting in seeing what this team could do with no holes on defense.

[Kobewade11]

A crazy idea, with Butler and Bam as Miami's best 2 players by far, how about fill up the roster with 2-way players vs players who are flawed on one side of the floor? It would be interesting in seeing what this team could do with no holes on defense.

Why doesn’t every team in the league follow this philosophy and then nobody would ever have any holes on defense

[AirP.]

A crazy idea, with Butler and Bam as Miami's best 2 players by far, how about fill up the roster with 2-way players vs players who are flawed on one side of the floor? It would be interesting in seeing what this team could do with no holes on defense.

Why doesn’t every team in the league follow this philosophy and then nobody would ever have any holes on defense

Different philosophies for different teams plus scorers are what a lot of fans want, and the NBA is a business.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Need to quit pulling the ball out of the hoop and letting their defense set up by play better defense, getting a defensive rebound and not let the other team just set up defensively. It is crazy to see how easy of shots the other team gets throughout the game against some of the poor defenders on the team.

Then you need to explain why far worse defensive teams than us happen to be far better offensively than us....aren't they taking the ball out of the same net?

Defense has a ceiling, offense in the modern NBA almost doesn't.

Why are we almost always last in pace? No player is changing that..it's the system.

Miami is trying to go at a slower pace.
1. Miami doesn't have the offensive talent to go head-to-head against other teams to try to outscore them.
2. Miami's 2 best players don't shoot 3s but are efficient scorers.
3. Defense is a heavy in effort so for more possessions the more tired your players are.

So, these are the reasons why you go at a slow pace if you want to win games.

If Miami tries to pick up the pace... they're going to look worse.

Just with the eye test... Miami's 3pt shooters' roles have expanded this year. They are driving and kicking more vs then just take the 3pt shot and with that, you're removing one of the 3pt options on the court when they're being the passer vs Butler and Bam are making the passes. Herro got moved to the starting lineup replacing a catch and shoot SG and yet he handles the ball a ton which means he's only got 2 possible 3pt shooters to pass to whereas in previous years Bam or Butler had 3 3pt options to pass to.

If Miami's pace were to pick up, they'd probably get beat even more often and by bigger amounts with no real way to fix the situation in the next offseason.

A crazy idea, with Butler and Bam as Miami's best 2 players by far, how about fill up the roster with 2-way players vs players who are flawed on one side of the floor? It would be interesting in seeing what this team could do with no holes on defense.

Pat Bev
Mikal
Jimmy
OG or Grant
Bam

Get it done Pat!!

[AirP.]

Then you need to explain why far worse defensive teams than us happen to be far better offensively than us....aren't they taking the ball out of the same net?

Defense has a ceiling, offense in the modern NBA almost doesn't.

Why are we almost always last in pace? No player is changing that..it's the system.

Miami is trying to go at a slower pace.
1. Miami doesn't have the offensive talent to go head-to-head against other teams to try to outscore them.
2. Miami's 2 best players don't shoot 3s but are efficient scorers.
3. Defense is a heavy in effort so for more possessions the more tired your players are.

So, these are the reasons why you go at a slow pace if you want to win games.

If Miami tries to pick up the pace... they're going to look worse.

Just with the eye test... Miami's 3pt shooters' roles have expanded this year. They are driving and kicking more vs then just take the 3pt shot and with that, you're removing one of the 3pt options on the court when they're being the passer vs Butler and Bam are making the passes. Herro got moved to the starting lineup replacing a catch and shoot SG and yet he handles the ball a ton which means he's only got 2 possible 3pt shooters to pass to whereas in previous years Bam or Butler had 3 3pt options to pass to.

If Miami's pace were to pick up, they'd probably get beat even more often and by bigger amounts with no real way to fix the situation in the next offseason.

A crazy idea, with Butler and Bam as Miami's best 2 players by far, how about fill up the roster with 2-way players vs players who are flawed on one side of the floor? It would be interesting in seeing what this team could do with no holes on defense.

Pat Bev
Mikal
Jimmy
OG or Grant
Bam

Get it done Pat!!

That would be nice but you don't need that level of guys around Butler and Bam. I'm thinking of players like for example J.Hart, L.Dort, D.Melton, KCP, S.Bey, or Miami's own C.Martin. Basically, try to get solid players throughout the rotation with Butler and Bam, of course you try to get 1-2 more good offensive 2 way players in that group.

I think if Miami went all in with defense with Butler and Bam they could have a very special defense in this 3-ball era, if only Miami would have went all in with J.Holiday instead of letting Milwaukee get him could have made this team special on defense and probably good on the offensive end.

Bey and Hart were available this season and would have been great additions to this roster, maybe not starters but players that shouldn't hurt you on the court.

[iamoti]

I am up for trading Butler if we lose in the first round. He's had a good season and we should get some good return. I just dont like the fit between him and Bam. Trade him and Lowry and rebuild around Bam and Herro. Let both Vincent and Strus walk unless we sign them for cheap. I dont want to pay another undrafted guy ever! Also this season is on Spo also. He just couldnt find an identity for this team. When we score we cant defend and we defend we cant score. Same **** every night. Average average average all the way. Such a forgetable season.

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[AirP.]

I am up for trading Butler if we lose in the first round. He's had a good season and we should get some good return. I just dont like the fit between him and Bam. Trade him and Lowry and rebuild around Bam and Herro. Let both Vincent and Strus walk unless we sign them for cheap. I dont want to pay another undrafted guy ever! Also this season is on Spo also. He just couldnt find an identity for this team. When we score we cant defend and we defend we cant score. Same **** every night. Average average average all the way. Such a forgetable season.

What happens if Miami finds out Herro can't score in the playoffs when you go against better defenders? He's hovering around 1 pt per 1 FGA in the playoffs which isn't good, toss in him not even average on the other side of the court and that's a negative player. It's entirely possible if he doesn't turn it around, Herro could end up being another bad contract which would end up being a huge issue and quite possibly waste a number of Bam's prime years. It's a pretty big gamble to move Butler.

[DayofMourning]

I am up for trading Butler if we lose in the first round. He's had a good season and we should get some good return. I just dont like the fit between him and Bam. Trade him and Lowry and rebuild around Bam and Herro. Let both Vincent and Strus walk unless we sign them for cheap. I dont want to pay another undrafted guy ever! Also this season is on Spo also. He just couldnt find an identity for this team. When we score we cant defend and we defend we cant score. Same **** every night. Average average average all the way. Such a forgetable season.

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In my eyes, you have to trade Butler unless you want to see the Heat crash and burn. If its a first round flameout, which our performances and chemistry point to it being, then he has to go before we start paying him super duper max. Its a pivotal offseason.

[AirP.]

I am up for trading Butler if we lose in the first round. He's had a good season and we should get some good return. I just dont like the fit between him and Bam. Trade him and Lowry and rebuild around Bam and Herro. Let both Vincent and Strus walk unless we sign them for cheap. I dont want to pay another undrafted guy ever! Also this season is on Spo also. He just couldnt find an identity for this team. When we score we cant defend and we defend we cant score. Same **** every night. Average average average all the way. Such a forgetable season.

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In my eyes, you have to trade Butler unless you want to see the Heat crash and burn. If its a first round flameout, which our performances and chemistry point to it being, then he has to go before we start paying him super duper max. Its a pivotal offseason.

Crash and burning means throwing away 2+ years of Bam's prime and even then you're going to have to rebuild after that.

Maybe Miami can get lucky like Minnesota did and get the #1 pick, because without that pick Minnesota wouldn't have any real future.

[DayofMourning]

I am up for trading Butler if we lose in the first round. He's had a good season and we should get some good return. I just dont like the fit between him and Bam. Trade him and Lowry and rebuild around Bam and Herro. Let both Vincent and Strus walk unless we sign them for cheap. I dont want to pay another undrafted guy ever! Also this season is on Spo also. He just couldnt find an identity for this team. When we score we cant defend and we defend we cant score. Same **** every night. Average average average all the way. Such a forgetable season.

What happens if Miami finds out Herro can't score in the playoffs when you go against better defenders? He's hovering around 1 pt per 1 FGA in the playoffs which isn't good, toss in him not even average on the other side of the court and that's a negative player. It's entirely possible if he doesn't turn it around, Herro could end up being another bad contract which would end up being a huge issue and quite possibly waste a number of Bam's prime years. It's a pretty big gamble to move Butler.

Tyler could be well on his way to being a bad contract. He has to get consistent.

Im willing to give him my support for now but he has to step up in the playoffs. You cant have him off offensively for games at a time when thats his calling card.

[AirP.]

I am up for trading Butler if we lose in the first round. He's had a good season and we should get some good return. I just dont like the fit between him and Bam. Trade him and Lowry and rebuild around Bam and Herro. Let both Vincent and Strus walk unless we sign them for cheap. I dont want to pay another undrafted guy ever! Also this season is on Spo also. He just couldnt find an identity for this team. When we score we cant defend and we defend we cant score. Same **** every night. Average average average all the way. Such a forgetable season.

What happens if Miami finds out Herro can't score in the playoffs when you go against better defenders? He's hovering around 1 pt per 1 FGA in the playoffs which isn't good, toss in him not even average on the other side of the court and that's a negative player. It's entirely possible if he doesn't turn it around, Herro could end up being another bad contract which would end up being a huge issue and quite possibly waste a number of Bam's prime years. It's a pretty big gamble to move Butler.

Tyler could be well on his way to being a bad contract. He has to get consistent.

Im willing to give him my support for now but he has to step up in the playoffs. You cant have him off offensively for games at a time when thats his calling card.

But if you move Butler you're now down to whatever you get for Butler and Bam with possibly another bad contract on the roster. Who knows if Miami will be able to move Robinson this offseason because it'll cost draft assets and you don't want to move your own draft picks if trading Butler. The FO has really put this organization in a bad position with some of the bad contracts, luckily Lowry is expiring next summer so Miami should be able to add 1-2 long term rotation players.

Luckily Miami is 2 years in on Robinson's 5 year deal, in 3 offseasons he becomes an expiring contract.