WT: Clippers Chasing LeBron

[JLop]

Cut Haslem, a guy whose been a warrior for us for a decade and sign Carlos Boozer a guy who can't even get 4th quarter minutes on his current team lol

I like Udonis Haslem as a player, and what he has done for the Miami Heat. Joel Anthony was a great ambassador of the sport as well. But in the new NBA system, is about salary space, and from the year 2014 to the 2015, Haslem will be earning $4,620.000. And he is not playing well. Also, he is getting older, and the Miami Heat needs a place in the team, to bring in a super star player. Now, about Carlos Boozer: he can sign for the minimum veteran salary, and that is $1.2 million. That my friend, is a huge difference.

Stats for Udonis Haslem:
PPG: 2.7, RPG: 2.8, BLKPG: 0.3 PER: 6.46
Position: Power Forward
Age: 33
Height: 6 ft 10 in (208 cm)
Weight: 235 lb (107 kg)

Stats for Carlos Boozer:
PPG: 14.8, RPG: 8.6, BLKPG: 0.4 PER: 14.60
Position: Power Forward
Age: 32
Height: 6 ft 9 in (206 cm)
Weight: 266 lb (121 kg)

And that is a big upgrade, for a quarter of the salary.

[NorrisColeWorld]

Cut Haslem, a guy whose been a warrior for us for a decade and sign Carlos Boozer a guy who can't even get 4th quarter minutes on his current team lol

I like Udonis Haslem as a player, and what he has done for the Miami Heat. Joel Anthony was a great ambassador of the sport as well. But in the new NBA system, is about salary space, and from the year 2014 to the 2015, Haslem will be earning $4,620.000. And he is not playing well. Also, he is getting older, and the Miami Heat needs a place in the team, to bring in a super star player. Now, about Carlos Boozer: he can sign for the minimum veteran salary, and that is $1.2 million. That my friend, is a huge difference.

Stats for Udonis Haslem:
PPG: 2.7, RPG: 2.8, BLKPG: 0.3 PER: 6.46
Position: Power Forward
Age: 33
Height: 6 ft 10 in (208 cm)
Weight: 235 lb (107 kg)

Stats for Carlos Boozer:
PPG: 14.8, RPG: 8.6, BLKPG: 0.4 PER: 14.60
Position: Power Forward
Age: 32
Height: 6 ft 9 in (206 cm)
Weight: 266 lb (121 kg)

And that is a big upgrade, for a quarter of the salary.

Haslem gets paid the 20 mil whether we cut him or not..its guaranteed. Im also not convinced that a guy making 13 million this year will suddenly decide to come here for 1 million.

[NorrisColeWorld]

Cut Haslem, a guy whose been a warrior for us for a decade and sign Carlos Boozer a guy who can't even get 4th quarter minutes on his current team lol

I like Udonis Haslem as a player, and what he has done for the Miami Heat. Joel Anthony was a great ambassador of the sport as well. But in the new NBA system, is about salary space, and from the year 2014 to the 2015, Haslem will be earning $4,620.000. And he is not playing well. Also, he is getting older, and the Miami Heat needs a place in the team, to bring in a super star player. Now, about Carlos Boozer: he can sign for the minimum veteran salary, and that is $1.2 million. That my friend, is a huge difference.

Stats for Udonis Haslem:
PPG: 2.7, RPG: 2.8, BLKPG: 0.3 PER: 6.46
Position: Power Forward
Age: 33
Height: 6 ft 10 in (208 cm)
Weight: 235 lb (107 kg)

Stats for Carlos Boozer:
PPG: 14.8, RPG: 8.6, BLKPG: 0.4 PER: 14.60
Position: Power Forward
Age: 32
Height: 6 ft 9 in (206 cm)
Weight: 266 lb (121 kg)

And that is a big upgrade, for a quarter of the salary.

Also there is more to running a franchise than X's and O's. Would we be a better team if we traded Wade and Haslem to get younger up and coming stars...yeah probably BUT then how can we walk around preaching about family and loyalty and a brotherhood.

LeBron said top to bottom this organization is a family....how can we convince guys to take pay cuts to come be apart of this family if we show no loyalty to the guys who deserve it.

[Flash4thewin]

UD at 6'10 ??? Poor guy is no wear near that.

[Lord Hades]

Also there is more to running a franchise than X's and O's. Would we be a better team if we traded Wade and Haslem to get younger up and coming stars...yeah probably BUT then how can we walk around preaching about family and loyalty and a brotherhood.

LeBron said top to bottom this organization is a family....how can we convince guys to take pay cuts to come be apart of this family if we show no loyalty to the guys who deserve it.

Pretty much. It's ridiculous that so many people who purport to be fans of the organization have no goddamn clue about some of the principles that it looks to govern itself by. There are moves that you make in the name of being competitive and in line with the business aspect of things and then there's cold-blooded **** where all sentiment is removed and you just say "Damn. ".

The 'family' aspect isn't without caveats in moving forward, but anyone who thinks Wade or Haslem is getting traded/cut/unceremoniously dumped (short of a personal demand) hasn't been paying attention long enough. Go knock yourself out in 2K tho.

[dolphinatik]

every team has evaluated the possibility of adding Lebron. This is not news

[JLop]

Haslem gets paid the 20 mil whether we cut him or not..its guaranteed. Im also not convinced that a guy making 13 million this year will suddenly decide to come here for 1 million.

Referring to Udonis Haslem: the Miami Heat could use, their amnesty clause. That's what they did with Mike Miller.

Amnesty clause: Each team is allowed to waive a player without having their salary count toward the salary cap or luxury tax. One player can be waived prior to the start of any season from 2011–12 through 2015–16. It can be exercised during the seven days that follow the July moratorium. Each team is restricted to one "amnestied" player during that time. Only players signed prior to 2011–12 are eligible. Teams can claim an amnestied player at a reduced rate, with the waiving team responsible for paying the balance of the contract. The team with the highest bid acquires the player. If unclaimed, the player becomes a free agent. Teams over the salary cap can only acquire an amnestied player if he becomes a free agent and the offer would be limited to the veteran's minimum contract.

Now: from the 2014 to the 2015, Udonis Haslem will be earning $4,620.000.
Then: The Mid-level exception for the Miami Heat should be around $3.09 million.
At last but not least: if Wade signs a new contract asking for less money, but for five years instead of just two, adding to their current budget, the Miami Heat could make use of an extra $5 million per year.

At the end of the day, all of this, leaves the Miami Heat, with the amount of $12,620.000 million, or at least, close enough to that amount, to sign a new super star player.

"If", the new player, signs a contract for the amount of $18,000.000 million, which is in the realm of possibilities, I don't see too hard to find the extra $5 or $6 million.

Finally, going back to Carlos Boozer: the Chicago Bulls will be using their amnesty clause on him. And that is why, we have a 60% chance, of having his talents in Miami.

[zogster]

Haslem gets paid the 20 mil whether we cut him or not..its guaranteed. Im also not convinced that a guy making 13 million this year will suddenly decide to come here for 1 million.

Referring to Udonis Haslem: the Miami Heat could use, their amnesty clause. That's what they did with Mike Miller.

Amnesty clause: Each team is allowed to waive a player without having their salary count toward the salary cap or luxury tax. One player can be waived prior to the start of any season from 2011–12 through 2015–16. It can be exercised during the seven days that follow the July moratorium. Each team is restricted to one "amnestied" player during that time.

Did you even ready what you copied and pasted? Heat already amnestied Miller. They cannot amnesty any more players now.

Boozer is junk anyways. We need a real center so Bosh can play PF. Always have.

[JLop]

Did you even ready what you copied and pasted? Heat already amnestied Miller. They cannot amnesty any more players now.

Boozer is junk anyways. We need a real center so Bosh can play PF. Always have.

Even if there are, many other options to free the salary of Udonis Haslem, I assume that to bring a new and young super star player, two years from now, has way more sense. Still, the new luxury tax, and NBA budget for every team, has many workarounds. Let´s not forget: "every law has a loophole". Like the Chicago Bull did when they traded Luol Deng to the Cavs just to acquire Andrew Bynum on the process (you probably know how goes the rest of the story). And Carlos Boozer is not the focus of my comments. We could cut someone like Toney Douglas and replace him with Carlos. Anyway, we do need a player in the Center position. But not every big man, fits the Miami Heat playing system. Needs to be a very athletic player, capable of the "Pace and Space" offense, and the Miami Heat defensive system.

[NorrisColeWorld]

Did you even ready what you copied and pasted? Heat already amnestied Miller. They cannot amnesty any more players now.

Boozer is junk anyways. We need a real center so Bosh can play PF. Always have.

Even if there are, many other options to free the salary of Udonis Haslem, I assume that to bring a new and young super star player, two years from now, has way more sense. Still, the new luxury tax, and NBA budget for every team, has many workarounds. Let´s not forget: "every law has a loophole". Like the Chicago Bull did when they traded Luol Deng to the Cavs just to acquire Andrew Bynum on the process (you probably know how goes the rest of the story). And Carlos Boozer is not the focus of my comments. We could cut someone like Toney Douglas and replace him with Carlos. Anyway, we do need a player in the Center position. But not every big man, fits the Miami Heat playing system. Needs to be a very athletic player, capable of the "Pace and Space" offense, and the Miami Heat defensive system.

Okay well now I know you just don't know what youre talking and you play too much NBA 2k14. You quote where I said we'd still have to pay haslem without realizing we can't even amnesty him and then you completely ignore everything me and another poster said about loyalty and running and organization because you had no answer for it.

[JLop]

Okay well now I know you just don't know what youre talking and you play too much NBA 2k14. You quote where I said we'd still have to pay haslem without realizing we can't even amnesty him and then you completely ignore everything me and another poster said about loyalty and running and organization because you had no answer for it.

Before we go any further, let me say hello to everyone, and especially you. I am new to the forum (not to the game of basketball) and by no means, I pretend to know everything or all the right answers. I am in this forum just to share about basketball, and about my favorite team: the Miami Heat. I may agree in many things you are saying. I respect the bond between players and the team. While I am giving some samples of how to get it done (the business side of the equation) is imposible for me, go through every single detail. Probably, you are just happy with having a greater knowledge about the game than the rest of us (it could be true or not - my apologies in any case). On the other hand, I deeply enjoy, talking about basketball, and the learning that comes with all of this. I didn´t wanted to see Mike Miller or Joel Anthony playing for any team but the Miami Heat. A sport franchise depends on the competitive production of the athletes. And the player has the right to look for his best interest (just like Lebron did when he chose to bring his talent to Miami). If tomorrow, some other team, makes an offer to Haslem guaranteeing $100 million in five years, he will take it. So then, loyalty in a business sentence, mostly and generally, comes with a tag. Who knows, Haslem, from your point of view, is a better option than the adquisicion of a super star player. No everybody will agree, but opinions are to be respected. And by the way, I will like to hear from your ideas to improve the team as well.

[NorrisColeWorld]

Okay well now I know you just don't know what youre talking and you play too much NBA 2k14. You quote where I said we'd still have to pay haslem without realizing we can't even amnesty him and then you completely ignore everything me and another poster said about loyalty and running and organization because you had no answer for it.

Before we go any further, let me say hello to everyone, and especially you. I am new to the forum (not to the game of basketball) and by no means, I pretend to know everything or all the right answers. I am in this forum just to share about basketball, and about my favorite team: the Miami Heat. I may agree in many things you are saying. I respect the bond between players and the team. While I am giving some samples of how to get it done (the business side of the equation) is imposible for me, go through every single detail. Probably, you are just happy with having a greater knowledge about the game than the rest of us (it could be true or not - my apologies in any case). On the other hand, I deeply enjoy, talking about basketball, and the learning that comes with all of this. I didn´t wanted to see Mike Miller or Joel Anthony playing for any team but the Miami Heat. A sport franchise depends on the competitive production of the athletes. And the player has the right to look for his best interest (just like Lebron did when he chose to bring his talent to Miami). If tomorrow, some other team, makes an offer to Haslem guaranteeing $100 million in five years, he will take it. So then, loyalty in a business sentence, mostly and generally, comes with a tag. Who knows, Haslem, from your point of view, is a better option than the adquisicion of a super star player. No everybody will agree, but opinions are to be respected. And by the way, I will like to hear from your ideas to improve the team as well.

Haslem turned down 14 million to stay with this franchise. You can read about it here http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/sport ... .html?_r=0. Also in the article is the fact that LeBron,Wade and Bosh all took pay cuts just so Haslem could get more money. I am not against adding talent obviously but certain things have a price beyond the X's and O's.

Cut Tony or Mase? Sure I wouldn't lose a min of sleep. Cut Haslem and its a different story. Im not against adding Boozer either if hed take the min. I was just thinking about the chemistry of the franchise. Theres alot of talented teams that can't win (Cavs/Knicks/Kings) that can't win because they isn't chemistry in the franchise.

[Smash3]

Did you even ready what you copied and pasted? Heat already amnestied Miller. They cannot amnesty any more players now.

Boozer is junk anyways. We need a real center so Bosh can play PF. Always have.

Even if there are, many other options to free the salary of Udonis Haslem, I assume that to bring a new and young super star player, two years from now, has way more sense. Still, the new luxury tax, and NBA budget for every team, has many workarounds. Let´s not forget: "every law has a loophole". Like the Chicago Bull did when they traded Luol Deng to the Cavs just to acquire Andrew Bynum on the process (you probably know how goes the rest of the story). And Carlos Boozer is not the focus of my comments. We could cut someone like Toney Douglas and replace him with Carlos. Anyway, we do need a player in the Center position. But not every big man, fits the Miami Heat playing system. Needs to be a very athletic player, capable of the "Pace and Space" offense, and the Miami Heat defensive system.

[Tony15]

lebron has never been emotional in his decision-making. he'll go (or stay) depending on where the best opportunity to win is. if he doesn't trust that wade's body will hold up, he'll bolt.

lol it's not as simple as whether or not wades body will hold up....it's more so whether or not he trusts Pat can reshape the roster after this year regardless of whether we win it all or not.

[Blazersfan6]

lebron has never been emotional in his decision-making. he'll go (or stay) depending on where the best opportunity to win is. if he doesn't trust that wade's body will hold up, he'll bolt.

lol it's not as simple as whether or not wades body will hold up....it's more so whether or not he trusts Pat can reshape the roster after this year regardless of whether we win it all or not.

Seems like Wade is nearing the end and if not he really only has 2 years left like this what does Lebron do?

Does Lebron think Bosh and vets can win 3-4 more title over the remaining years he has in the nba? What can Pat really add at a discounted price?

If Lebron really wants to win another 3-4 he would team up with Durant, Harden/Howard, CP3/Blake, Lillard/LA, or ???. Bosh is great and Miami has won due to Wades heroics combined with Lebron but I just don't think you can consider Bosh enough at this point to stay if Wade is no longer Wade.

It would be nice to think there is loyalty but he did leave his home town team in search of a title. He will likely do it again. It just seems like this could be a bigger story. Maybe Lebron opts to stay one more year which seems likely and this is a 2015 debate. Just think it's interesting how he could change the NBA dynamics in one decision.

[Heat3]

If Wade only has 2 years left, then why don't you think Pat Riley can add some valuable pieces with the huge cap space that will be freed up from his contract?

It seems strange to me how everyone is so ready to discount Riley's ability and these player's willingness to come together for the greater good.

For whatever reason people have the 2k mindset. Just throw players together they are locks to win it. That is why I laugh when people talk of Lebron returning to Cleveland. He's been there and done that and failed already. Kyrie and these other guys are supposed to make it different now? All they've accomplished is winning the lottery over and over and they're on that same course again this year.

It takes a winning organization from top to bottom to get it done. These guys have seen up close what it takes to win. I don't see them making silly decisions like Carmelo and Howard that change teams and are still unhappy.

Them staying has nothing to do with loyalty. It has to do with performance. They know the guys running this team are all about winning and they've got the results to prove it.

[goating]

Why not LeBron going west coast and become a 30 ppg, 9 apg and 9 rpg bully. look at his stats against western teams. if he go west coast I prefer championship ready teams like spurs or even mavs.

[WD]

Why not LeBron going west coast and become a 30 ppg, 9 apg and 9 rpg bully. look at his stats against western teams. if he go west coast I prefer championship ready teams like spurs or even mavs.

Stop doing what you do in your spare time

[Slot Machine]

Why not LeBron going west coast and become a 30 ppg, 9 apg and 9 rpg bully. look at his stats against western teams. if he go west coast I prefer championship ready teams like spurs or even mavs.

Stop doing what you do in your spare time

[WD]

Why not LeBron going west coast and become a 30 ppg, 9 apg and 9 rpg bully. look at his stats against western teams. if he go west coast I prefer championship ready teams like spurs or even mavs.

Stop doing what you do in your spare time

I seldom reply with any negativity DIRECTLY to a poster, but my alter ego somehow got my iPhone password, logged on and typed that response.

Need to change my password