2025 Offseason Thread Vol.4

[contract]

So whats the max Dame is gonna get? Hes still getting his Bucks money, but what happens if some team tries to swoop in with a chunk of money but the Heat are trying to get him with the minimum (his actual value)

I would imagine that any salary he gets gets deducted from the millions that he's getting from the Bucks. If so there's no point to signing for more than the minimum.

Though I could be wrong.

[batterybro42]

Duncan also isn’t a very smart player. Way too many boneheaded mistakes.

Duncan is a guy who would flourish playing next to somebody with real scoring ability. Duncan needs to be playing alongside a creating/penetrating perimeter player. He hasn’t had that since Dragic. Duncan almost has to create all his shots off DHOs when in reality he’s a spot of up off the catch player.

Duncan isn’t a bad player, but at his salary and the supporting cast we have made him look like a shadow of himself. In the right setting, and at the right salary Duncan can still be a role player who can swing the outcome of a series for you if he gets hot.

I don’t mind having him back anywhere at 10 mil or below.

[Hoops3355]

I cannot believe Myles Turner left the Pacers. That's so wild.

[Enso]

Duncan also isn’t a very smart player. Way too many boneheaded mistakes.

But when he was on he was on. He had the ability to unlock the teams full potential offensively.

[Kobewade11]

Only two remain from the bubble

[batterybro42]

So whats the max Dame is gonna get? Hes still getting his Bucks money, but what happens if some team tries to swoop in with a chunk of money but the Heat are trying to get him with the minimum (his actual value)

I would imagine that any salary he gets get deducted from the millions that he's getting from the Bucks. If so there's no point to signing for more than the minimum.

Though I could be wrong.

I would be surprised if Dame doesn’t end up here on the minimum and is back playing ball again post all star break. This is why you push all the chips in and go get LeBron. That team that shows up in April at least on paper is a real problem with the flexibility to play multiple styles. Tyler Herro all the sudden not getting face guarded from the opposite free throw line and seeing a teams 3rd best perimeter defender is an absolute issue. Imagine the Knicks trying to defend him with Brunson. Sorry NY looks like Mitchell Robinson had to start and play Ware, and Josh Hart is going to have to have to stop LeBron on drives 1on1 because he can’t get help off lob threats.

The idea that we could acquire LeBron and Dame and maybe only part with JJJ, Wiggins, Rozier and 1 pick is silliness. Need to make sure LeBron knows what mat the keys are under.

[batterybro42]

Pacers blowing it up too along with the Celtics

LeBron if he’s on the move once again holds the cards in the East. Ironically Cleveland would walk to the finals with him but they are already in the 2nd apron and can’t pull off a move for him without completely gutting their roster.

Put LeBron here in Miami, and not only do we have the East’s best roster, but we will also getting the NBA doing backflips to make sure they get LeBron in the finals at least 1 more time for the ratings.

I also wouldn’t mind the Heat turning things over to Zo, UD, Wade, AND LeBron as they phase into the next generation of front office management. LeBron has already expressed a desire to be involved with Inter Miami, he could also get a partial ownership stake in the Miami Heat. LA is fun when you’re in the mix of it on the day to day but if you’re going to retire Miami offers all the same amenities with a little bit more privacy for somebody like LeBron. I think I could see the family setting up for retirement down here.

Get Klutch and Rich Paul down here and construct the next iteration of NBA dynasties. All those guys know the Heat and Pat Riley way, but now we just put a new age spin on the tried and proven formula.

I don’t see James getting out of basketball completely when he does stop playing

This sounds like a nice fantasy but no way he comes back

If he’s leaving LA where else is he really going to go? Cleveland is in the 2nd Apron they can’t aggregate salaries. He’s not going to stay in the West.

It’s so realistic that it almost feels too far fetched, but I think if Miami really wants him and Pat Riley personally goes out of his way to make it happen it in the cards. Make no mistake when we are talking about Pat we are talking about an aging man who vey much cares about his legacy, and this is in line with that goal.

Pat went out of his way in his presser to talk about such a thing, and a few years ago was even fined about talking about such a scenario with LeBron. The fact that we didn’t go in on the KD deal after all the hype around it should be sending off alarm bells, also the way the league is moving right now around FA speaks to something big coming, and a LeBron move back out East falls right in line with it.

[Enso]

Pacers blowing it up too along with the Celtics

LeBron if he’s on the move once again holds the cards in the East. Ironically Cleveland would walk to the finals with him but they are already in the 2nd apron and can’t pull off a move for him without completely gutting their roster.

Put LeBron here in Miami, and not only do we have the East’s best roster, but we will also getting the NBA doing backflips to make sure they get LeBron in the finals at least 1 more time for the ratings.

I also wouldn’t mind the Heat turning things over to Zo, UD, Wade, AND LeBron as they phase into the next generation of front office management. LeBron has already expressed a desire to be involved with Inter Miami, he could also get a partial ownership stake in the Miami Heat. LA is fun when you’re in the mix of it on the day to day but if you’re going to retire Miami offers all the same amenities with a little bit more privacy for somebody like LeBron. I think I could see the family setting up for retirement down here.

Get Klutch and Rich Paul down here and construct the next iteration of NBA dynasties. All those guys know the Heat and Pat Riley way, but now we just put a new age spin on the tried and proven formula.

I don’t see James getting out of basketball completely when he does stop playing

This sounds like a nice fantasy but no way he comes back

If he’s leaving LA where else is he really going to go? Cleveland is in the 2nd Apron they can’t aggregate salaries. He’s not going to stay in the West.

It’s so realistic that it almost feels too far fetched, but I think if Miami really wants him and Pat Riley personally goes out of his way to make it happen it in the cards. Make no mistake when we are talking about Pat we are talking about an aging man who vey much cares about his legacy, and this is in line with that goal.

If he wanted to come to Miami why not opt out and sign for he vet min or slightly above?

Why handicap the team, make them trade for you and lose assets instead of maximizing your chance to win?

He doesn’t need the money that’s for sure.

[Slot Machine]

Seems like a huge bag fumble by Duncan/his agent - exactly what we needed.

Nah, Miami would have traded him to another team wanting to cut cost. His guaranteed was only 9mil. He can get more than that as a free agent. He’ll get a MLE somewhere of his choice.

Who’s paying Duncan at this point? I don’t see him getting the deal he’s looking for.

[vagelis]

Personally I do not expect Lillard to play competitive basketball again.
He was already declining and he will come back 36yo, after a very serious injury, after an 1year absence and facing the issue that made Chris Bosch to retire.

If the Bucks expected Lillard to play basketball again they wouldn't have waived him.
In a minimum deal ok, but do not have any expectations to be the player you remember from his prime

[Kobewade11]

I would be surprised if Dame doesn’t end up here on the minimum and is back playing ball again post all star break. This is why you push all the chips in and go get LeBron. That team that shows up in April at least on paper is a real problem with the flexibility to play multiple styles. Tyler Herro all the sudden not getting face guarded from the opposite free throw line and seeing a teams 3rd best perimeter defender is an absolute issue. Imagine the Knicks trying to defend him with Brunson. Sorry NY looks like Mitchell Robinson had to start and play Ware, and Josh Hart is going to have to have to stop LeBron on drives 1on1 because he can’t get help off lob threats.

The idea that we could acquire LeBron and Dame and maybe only part with JJJ, Wiggins, Rozier and 1 pick is silliness. Need to make sure LeBron knows what mat the keys are under.

This LeBron stuff is pure fantasy man. He’s not leaving LA this summer, and definitely not coming to Miami

And its highly unlikely Dame plays at all next season. Thats a 10-12 month recovery, no sense to even try to push in April when he’d have the additional summer months to get his body ready.

[Enso]

Seems like a huge bag fumble by Duncan/his agent - exactly what we needed.

Nah, Miami would have traded him to another team wanting to cut cost. His guaranteed was only 9mil. He can get more than that as a free agent. He’ll get a MLE somewhere of his choice.

Who’s paying Duncan at this point? I don’t see him getting the deal he’s looking for.

I could see him getting a 2-3 year deal for 12-15 mil a year somewhere. Maybe he really wants a change of scenery.

[batterybro42]

This sounds like a nice fantasy but no way he comes back

If he’s leaving LA where else is he really going to go? Cleveland is in the 2nd Apron they can’t aggregate salaries. He’s not going to stay in the West.

It’s so realistic that it almost feels too far fetched, but I think if Miami really wants him and Pat Riley personally goes out of his way to make it happen it in the cards. Make no mistake when we are talking about Pat we are talking about an aging man who vey much cares about his legacy, and this is in line with that goal.

If he wanted to come to Miami why not opt out and sign for he vet min or slightly above?

Why handicap the team, make them trade for you and lose assets instead of maximizing your chance to win?

He doesn’t need the money that’s for sure.

He isn’t turning down 50+ mil, and he’s still very much worth it. Him getting paid the minimum wouldn’t change that much for Miami regardless if he wants to continue chasing rings after his 42nd Bday next year would be the time to transition to something like that maybe coupled with a promise of ownership in the mix. JJJ, Rozier, Wiggins, and a 1st that’s what it will likely take. You can spin the block and sign CP3 and Dame on Vet mins

Davion/CP3/KJ
Herro/Dame/Pelle/Burks
LeBron/Highsmith
Bam/Jovic/Keshad
Ware/Love/?

[Enso]

Personally I do not expect Lillard to play competitive basketball again.
He was already declining and he will come back 36yo, after a very serious injury, after an 1year absence and facing the issue that made Chris Bosch to retire.

If the Bucks expected Lillard to play basketball again they wouldn't have waived him.
In a minimum deal ok, but do not have any expectations to be the player you remember from his prime

He’ll come back and play 20 min per game prob as a 6th man and maybe even start eventually if he’s on a contender that’s making a deep run. That’s if he ramps it up enough and gets right physically.

[Vertical Limit]

Wait till the lakers agree on a buyout with lebron.. then this board is going to go crazy

[batterybro42]

I would be surprised if Dame doesn’t end up here on the minimum and is back playing ball again post all star break. This is why you push all the chips in and go get LeBron. That team that shows up in April at least on paper is a real problem with the flexibility to play multiple styles. Tyler Herro all the sudden not getting face guarded from the opposite free throw line and seeing a teams 3rd best perimeter defender is an absolute issue. Imagine the Knicks trying to defend him with Brunson. Sorry NY looks like Mitchell Robinson had to start and play Ware, and Josh Hart is going to have to have to stop LeBron on drives 1on1 because he can’t get help off lob threats.

The idea that we could acquire LeBron and Dame and maybe only part with JJJ, Wiggins, Rozier and 1 pick is silliness. Need to make sure LeBron knows what mat the keys are under.

This LeBron stuff is pure fantasy man. He’s not leaving LA this summer, and definitely not coming to Miami

And its highly unlikely Dame plays at all next season. Thats a 10-12 month recovery, no sense to even try to push in April when he’d have the additional summer months to get his body ready.

Dame could take a full year and return in the final stretch for the playoffs and be a bench support guy. The Achilles injury recovery is difficult but now it’s more of a 6-9 month deal for most guys who aren’t super tall. I’d expect him back in February or March on a heavy minute restriction if he’s on a team with a legit shot to win it all.

I fully disagree that the LeBron stuff is fantasy, I’ve been watching him and his people move now for 20 years. The way they put out what they put out the words they said, the respect given to the Lakers organization, it all points to an exit, but trying to do it in a stand up way.

[KingDavid]

I'm good on 40 y/o LeBron. Let him go to Cleveland.

[Lennyzinho]

I would be surprised if Dame doesn’t end up here on the minimum and is back playing ball again post all star break. This is why you push all the chips in and go get LeBron. That team that shows up in April at least on paper is a real problem with the flexibility to play multiple styles. Tyler Herro all the sudden not getting face guarded from the opposite free throw line and seeing a teams 3rd best perimeter defender is an absolute issue. Imagine the Knicks trying to defend him with Brunson. Sorry NY looks like Mitchell Robinson had to start and play Ware, and Josh Hart is going to have to have to stop LeBron on drives 1on1 because he can’t get help off lob threats.

The idea that we could acquire LeBron and Dame and maybe only part with JJJ, Wiggins, Rozier and 1 pick is silliness. Need to make sure LeBron knows what mat the keys are under.

This LeBron stuff is pure fantasy man. He’s not leaving LA this summer, and definitely not coming to Miami

And its highly unlikely Dame plays at all next season. Thats a 10-12 month recovery, no sense to even try to push in April when he’d have the additional summer months to get his body ready.

Dame could take a full year and return in the final stretch for the playoffs and be a bench support guy. The Achilles injury recovery is difficult but now it’s more of a 6-9 month deal for most guys who aren’t super tall. I’d expect him back in February or March on a heavy minute restriction if he’s on a team with a legit shot to win it all.

I fully disagree that the LeBron stuff is fantasy, I’ve been watching him and his people move now for 20 years. The way they put out what they put out the words they said, the respect given to the Lakers organization, it all points to an exit, but trying to do it in a stand up way.

Dawg, Dame ain't playing this year. You dont come back from an achilles tear in less than a year, especially at his age and this sport. Aaron rodgers had a "miracle" recovery and he didn't play in a game for a full year. Sure he practiced after 3 months but the dude just throws footballs. He had countless setbacks and no one saw him sprinting or cutting far more into 6 months. Tatum Hali and Dame are all done for the entire year. If he had torn it in the beginning of the season then yeah, maybe.
Bucks would never do what they did if dame was coming back for playoffs much less all star break.

[heatwillbeback]

Duncan coming back or not won’t bother me.

Letting him go without a sign and trade though would just be another complete misuse of assets though. Which we have been doing a lot of recently.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Dame is available

For real?!?!?!