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2020 NBA Draft - We have a FRP!....for now

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft - We have a FRP!....for now 

Post#1101 » by QUIZ » Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:59 pm

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HIF wrote:We're going to trade the pick. It's the Miami way.


If the long play is the add that third star, we better keep every rookie we got because you can't find better cost/value ratio then a rookie contract.

Bam + Jimmy + Added star will take around 90% of the cap, then we'll have to pay Duncan. A good player on a rookie deal is practically a golden financial asset to have.

This goes both ways tho Rex. A pick is like a car, it's generally worth way more before you actually use it. Only in rare cases where the player completely outperforms their expectations is that not the case.
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Post#1102 » by Bishop45 » Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:48 pm

Not this yr's draft, but Chet is nice yo. Handle's too fluid for the lazy Porzingus comps. I know Warriors wish they had their top pick in next yrs draft, much better chance of copping something nice.

Don't know if the harden comps are largely because of the name, but Jared Hardy looks like he might be real nice too. Bates is a solid passing game away, but that boy is coming

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Post#1103 » by DayofMourning » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:09 am

I'm confuse Bishop. Hasn't Cade been number 1 in his class forever. Isn't Chet like 5th ranked?
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Post#1104 » by dolphinatik » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:14 am

I like Chet I can see him really become something if everything falls right for him. Like a better Dirk better prozigins.
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Post#1105 » by Bishop45 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:46 am

DayofMourning wrote:I'm confuse Bishop. Hasn't Cade been number 1 in his class forever. Isn't Chet like 5th ranked?


Not sure where he's ranked, just saying he's nice and next year's draft looks decent rn
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Post#1106 » by DayofMourning » Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:38 am

Bishop45 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:I'm confuse Bishop. Hasn't Cade been number 1 in his class forever. Isn't Chet like 5th ranked?


Not sure where he's ranked, just saying he's nice and next year's draft looks decent rn


I haven't been keeping up. Looks like Chet is in a different class than Cade altogether. Thought Emoni was a year closer.

Will be interested in seeing Chet once he has a bit of a body to him.
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Post#1107 » by RexBoyWonder » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:15 am

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HIF wrote:We're going to trade the pick. It's the Miami way.


If the long play is the add that third star, we better keep every rookie we got because you can't find better cost/value ratio then a rookie contract.

Bam + Jimmy + Added star will take around 90% of the cap, then we'll have to pay Duncan. A good player on a rookie deal is practically a golden financial asset to have.

This goes both ways tho Rex. A pick is like a car, it's generally worth way more before you actually use it. Only in rare cases where the player completely outperforms their expectations is that not the case.


Yea well, we have like 4 of those outperformers on the team right now, they're the ones that made this season possible.

If we can roll the dice on another guy, we shouldn't discount the opportunity in a weird deep draft.
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Post#1108 » by twix2500 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:44 pm

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If the long play is the add that third star, we better keep every rookie we got because you can't find better cost/value ratio then a rookie contract.

Bam + Jimmy + Added star will take around 90% of the cap, then we'll have to pay Duncan. A good player on a rookie deal is practically a golden financial asset to have.

This goes both ways tho Rex. A pick is like a car, it's generally worth way more before you actually use it. Only in rare cases where the player completely outperforms their expectations is that not the case.


Yea well, we have like 4 of those outperformers on the team right now, they're the ones that made this season possible.

If we can roll the dice on another guy, we shouldn't discount the opportunity in a weird deep draft.


Robinson and Nunn had to be stashed away for a year to develop. Bam took 3 years to develop before out performing his contract. Herro is the only one outperforming his contract first year after being drafted. That luxury for development in the summer league or gleague is taken away for the time being..

A lot had to lineup up like a solar eclipse for everything to meet up perfectly. We lost to a team with two huge contracts and cost effective veterans. And they are about to get rid of Kuzma.

Butler has a window that needs to be taken advantage of. Butler is really the only star player. Bam has gotten a lot of recognition but he hasn't gotten to the level Butler yet.

The negative is about to hit when your players play well on rookie contracts. The potential to over pay them comes along. Which is what happen with Whiteside. We have a one yr window before the Heat has to pay the piper.

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Post#1109 » by RexBoyWonder » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:32 pm

What Im hearing form the connected sources is that we might have gave a promise to Vernon Carey Jr.

Might be a smoke screen, but maybe just maybe we were blown away by his improved shooting and new found athleticism after he lost the weight.

He's talented, that's clear to see, he lead the nation in scoring (per 36) as a freshman. If he's also a good shooter + a good athlete, Maybe he's a steal at #20..
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Post#1110 » by Wiltside » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:11 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:What Im hearing form the connected sources is that we might have gave a promise to Vernon Carey Jr.

Might be a smoke screen, but maybe just maybe we were blown away by his improved shooting and new found athleticism after he lost the weight.

He's talented, that's clear to see, he lead the nation in scoring (per 36) as a freshman. If he's also a good shooter + a good athlete, Maybe he's a steal at #20..


If that’s the case, so be it. I’ve raged at our past couple of picks (Herro and Bam) and ended up with egg on my face, so I’m not doubting the scouting department anymore. If they take someone and keep the pick, it’s for good reason.

You can’t really deny his numbers look good on paper. That Per36 is eye popping. He looks to have got himself terrific shape, if he can maintain that and prove he has more strings to his bow than just bully ball, he could be a steal.
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Post#1111 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:19 pm

If I had to draft a big man at 20, it'd most likely be Tyler Bey. Athletic, multi-positional defender that could possibly become a 3-point shooter.
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Post#1112 » by twix2500 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:27 pm

If the Heat are confident in adding Gallinari, then Vernon Carey makes more sense.
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Post#1113 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:48 pm

twix2500 wrote:If the Heat are confident in adding Gallinari, then Vernon Carey makes more sense.


That wouldn't make sense since Carey wasn't a good defender in college.
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Post#1114 » by twix2500 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:49 pm

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twix2500 wrote:If the Heat are confident in adding Gallinari, then Vernon Carey makes more sense.


That wouldn't make sense since Carey wasn't a good defender in college.
It would be about his in the paint scoring and rebounding

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Post#1115 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:54 pm

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twix2500 wrote:If the Heat are confident in adding Gallinari, then Vernon Carey makes more sense.


That wouldn't make sense since Carey wasn't a good defender in college.
It would be about his in the paint scoring and rebounding

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We have Bam for that. In today's NBA you can't be a good big man without being able to space the floor and without being able to defend well.
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Post#1116 » by twix2500 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:04 pm

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That wouldn't make sense since Carey wasn't a good defender in college.
It would be about his in the paint scoring and rebounding

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We have Bam for that. In today's NBA you can't be a good big man without being able to space the floor and without being able to defend well.
Bam not playing every minute of the game. He will be a reserve.

You space the floor so another player can score in the paint. Thus spacing the floor so Butler, Bam and Carey can score in the paint. Carey is not to complement Bam but to relieve him and complement the shooters.

PG: _____? - Dragic - Nunn
SG: Butler - Herro - (Matthews)
SF: Robinson - Igoudala
PF: Gallinari - Okpala/MIlsap
Ce: Adebayo - Carey

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Post#1117 » by radikalBaller » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:33 pm

Not impressed with carey game specially defensively, unless he magically improved speed and athletism with his weight loss...Otoru is a better average footed center imo
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Post#1118 » by radikalBaller » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:35 pm

I would take achuiwa, reed, oturu, steward, tillman over carey
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Post#1119 » by RexBoyWonder » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:40 am

radikalBaller wrote:I would take achuiwa, reed, oturu, steward, tillman over carey



If we go big, it's Jalen Smith or Carey for me.

Smith is just the perfect fit.

Carey - you just can't ignore ELITE freshman production combined with strong work ethic. If we pick him, I'm sure it's because they saw a different player in the workouts then we did when he was 270 pounds.
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Post#1120 » by heat4life » Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:16 pm

DayofMourning wrote:QUIZ-Agree. How many all time greats came out so cocky after playing mediocre ball and actually became someone. He actually has fallen short every step of the way. Most recently against Maxey in their workout. Maxey looked great.

MWP- Agree. Vernon is a quality addition. If he goes 2nd round we should definitely jump. I wonder if we trade 20 and try to get a couple 2nd rounders instead. Cap flex.


This is probably what I see as a likely scenario. Miami is preparing for a trade back either to a later pick in the 1st or 2nd round. I doubt they will add another young player to the core this year unless it is someone they love that drops to 20. This draft is underwhelming in talent imo and with some high school kids skipping college next year to enter the draft, we might have a better pool if we can trade our pick. I like Carey in the later stages of the 1st round or early 2nd.
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