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Re: Miami Heat 2023/2024 Training Camp and Regular Season Thread 

Post#121 » by IceColdCubano » Tue Oct 3, 2023 1:21 pm

twix2500 wrote:Lowry's expiring contract should bring assest back. Why are the Heat the only team who has to pay to give some other team huge salary cap relief?

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Because teams that usually offload salary cap relief get back middling talent or unwanted talent that fits their team back. Miami is using a large expiring for talent, therefore its just not enough to fill the gap of value.

You could problably get like a Morris from LA and another body for a Lowry expiring. Your not gonna get a James Harden even at his lowest value without attaching a Pick.

You also have to look at where the other team stands, in this case Philly is a contender, with no draft capital, so if they want to improve themselves they will want talent back or at a minimum assets to turn into talent.
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Post#122 » by VaDe255 » Tue Oct 3, 2023 1:28 pm

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IceColdCubano wrote:Exactly doubtful that works on James Harden. He will be at the strip club wearing a fat suit, sipping on gin, streaming live while the team is at camp practicing talking about how Morey is the devil, and wears purple stockings at night while he pours hot Pepto-Bismol over his body while listening to Britney spears at full blast.


Only works against the Heat apparently

To be completely honest our media has a lot to blame for how these things look towards Miami. We are some of the most arrogant media around when it comes to sport, and the fact we as fans are so wishiwashi when the teams do well or bad, it rubs everyone the wrong way. I think around the league our twitter army and talking heads should have just shut the hell up until something was done. The point of every conversation I heard was, your gonna make the deal, and like it, and theres nothing else, and he won't play anywhere else, so just take the L Portland.


It wasn't the Miami media that was leaking all that crap:

"Dame only wants to play in Miami"
"Dame not gonna report and request a trade"
"Heat offer is 3 picks + Herro + blah"

It was all Dame camp, Heat FO is known for not leaking much to the media and I wish Dame would have just kept quite, because his personal fallout with Cronin played out publicly and the Heat were caught in it and blamed for it as well.
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Post#123 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Oct 3, 2023 1:28 pm

twix2500 wrote:Lowry's expiring contract should bring assest back. Why are the Heat the only team who has to pay to give some other team huge salary cap relief?

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Post#126 » by IceColdCubano » Tue Oct 3, 2023 1:38 pm

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Only works against the Heat apparently

To be completely honest our media has a lot to blame for how these things look towards Miami. We are some of the most arrogant media around when it comes to sport, and the fact we as fans are so wishiwashi when the teams do well or bad, it rubs everyone the wrong way. I think around the league our twitter army and talking heads should have just shut the hell up until something was done. The point of every conversation I heard was, your gonna make the deal, and like it, and theres nothing else, and he won't play anywhere else, so just take the L Portland.


It wasn't the Miami media that was leaking all that crap:

"Dame only wants to play in Miami"
"Dame not gonna report and request a trade"
"Heat offer is 3 picks + Herro + blah"

It was all Dame camp, Heat FO is known for not leaking much to the media and I wish Dame would have just kept quite, because his personal fallout with Cronin played out publicly and the Heat were caught in it and blamed for it as well.


Miami media didn't have to leak anything they just jumped on everything that was leaked to re-enforce their position very arrogantly. It was, they used the above comments from Dames Camp to reinforce the issue was the problem.
Put this way had Shams come out and said Miami was trying to negotiate in good faith and give Portland a worthy return for a superstar, it would be different. However all we got was Pat Riley says go out and find a better offer, the offer is it and final, Miami will not outbid itself, Miami doesn't think Lillard is worth what Portland thinks hes worth, In the end Lillard is a Heat no exemption, nobody is giving up anything for unhappy player, this was all from our media. Plus the campaign from guys like Dru, 5RSN, LockOn, Austin, etc whom all just blasted Portland all day everyday when ever they said anything that went against what we believed. Our fans where bombarding their shows in the comments section with constant arrogance.

You know how I know this, because I read every tweet, listened to every show, read every comment left by all during this whole drama.
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Post#127 » by VaDe255 » Tue Oct 3, 2023 1:42 pm

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IceColdCubano wrote:To be completely honest our media has a lot to blame for how these things look towards Miami. We are some of the most arrogant media around when it comes to sport, and the fact we as fans are so wishiwashi when the teams do well or bad, it rubs everyone the wrong way. I think around the league our twitter army and talking heads should have just shut the hell up until something was done. The point of every conversation I heard was, your gonna make the deal, and like it, and theres nothing else, and he won't play anywhere else, so just take the L Portland.


It wasn't the Miami media that was leaking all that crap:

"Dame only wants to play in Miami"
"Dame not gonna report and request a trade"
"Heat offer is 3 picks + Herro + blah"

It was all Dame camp, Heat FO is known for not leaking much to the media and I wish Dame would have just kept quite, because his personal fallout with Cronin played out publicly and the Heat were caught in it and blamed for it as well.


Miami media didn't have to leak anything they just jumped on everything that was leaked to re-enforce their position very arrogantly. It was, they used the above comments from Dames Camp to reinforce the issue was the problem.
Put this way had Shams come out and said Miami was trying to negotiate in good faith and give Portland a worthy return for a superstar, it would be different. However all we got was Pat Riley says go out and find a better offer, the offer is it and final, Miami will not outbid itself, Miami doesn't think Lillard is worth what Portland thinks hes worth, In the end Lillard is a Heat no exemption, nobody is giving up anything for unhappy player, this was all from our media. Plus the campaign from guys like Dru, 5RSN, LockOn, Austin, etc whom all just blasted Portland all day everyday when ever they said anything that went against what we believed. Our fans where bombarding their shows in the comments section with constant arrogance.


Fair point. A lot of takes out there towards what Portland was doing were pretty disrespectful.
In the end they did get a better return, because Boston paid so much for Jrue.
It even makes Cronin look good, although I think he didn't really know what he was doing until Dame caved.
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Post#128 » by IceColdCubano » Tue Oct 3, 2023 1:47 pm

VaDe255 wrote:
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VaDe255 wrote:
It wasn't the Miami media that was leaking all that crap:

"Dame only wants to play in Miami"
"Dame not gonna report and request a trade"
"Heat offer is 3 picks + Herro + blah"

It was all Dame camp, Heat FO is known for not leaking much to the media and I wish Dame would have just kept quite, because his personal fallout with Cronin played out publicly and the Heat were caught in it and blamed for it as well.


Miami media didn't have to leak anything they just jumped on everything that was leaked to re-enforce their position very arrogantly. It was, they used the above comments from Dames Camp to reinforce the issue was the problem.
Put this way had Shams come out and said Miami was trying to negotiate in good faith and give Portland a worthy return for a superstar, it would be different. However all we got was Pat Riley says go out and find a better offer, the offer is it and final, Miami will not outbid itself, Miami doesn't think Lillard is worth what Portland thinks hes worth, In the end Lillard is a Heat no exemption, nobody is giving up anything for unhappy player, this was all from our media. Plus the campaign from guys like Dru, 5RSN, LockOn, Austin, etc whom all just blasted Portland all day everyday when ever they said anything that went against what we believed. Our fans where bombarding their shows in the comments section with constant arrogance.


Fair point. A lot of takes out their towards what Portland was doing were pretty disrespectful.
In the end they did get a better return, because Boston paid so much for Jrue so it even makes Cronin look good, although I think he didn't really know what he was doing until Dame caved.


If I was a betting man, and I am not, I would not be surprised If when Portland and Milwaukee were negotiating, Portland spoke to contenders like Philly, Boston, Brooklyn, etc and asked about what their interest was if they got Jrue Holliday in a return and wanted to reroute. This was why they pulled the trigger, I think they had affirmation and interest in Jrue's value. It just wouldn't make any sense at all, getting him and holding him on a team that is trying to rebuild, they needed to know that he held value for contenders. I think Miami definately one didn't know Milwaukee was in the fold, and two after the trade didn't believe Jrue would get that return.
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Post#129 » by IceColdCubano » Tue Oct 3, 2023 1:54 pm

If I was Portland I would talk to Philly and see If I can pry another FRP off a team for either Timelord or Malcom Brogdon or both to reinforce their team.

Portland would then have James Harden, and another FRP. They knowing the game and being ok with James pouting sitting at home, and losing money would reroute him again for another FRP. Because unlike Philly, Portland only cares about picks at the moment, Philly wants to compete with their return.
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Post#130 » by VaDe255 » Tue Oct 3, 2023 2:01 pm

IceColdCubano wrote:
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IceColdCubano wrote:
Miami media didn't have to leak anything they just jumped on everything that was leaked to re-enforce their position very arrogantly. It was, they used the above comments from Dames Camp to reinforce the issue was the problem.
Put this way had Shams come out and said Miami was trying to negotiate in good faith and give Portland a worthy return for a superstar, it would be different. However all we got was Pat Riley says go out and find a better offer, the offer is it and final, Miami will not outbid itself, Miami doesn't think Lillard is worth what Portland thinks hes worth, In the end Lillard is a Heat no exemption, nobody is giving up anything for unhappy player, this was all from our media. Plus the campaign from guys like Dru, 5RSN, LockOn, Austin, etc whom all just blasted Portland all day everyday when ever they said anything that went against what we believed. Our fans where bombarding their shows in the comments section with constant arrogance.


Fair point. A lot of takes out their towards what Portland was doing were pretty disrespectful.
In the end they did get a better return, because Boston paid so much for Jrue so it even makes Cronin look good, although I think he didn't really know what he was doing until Dame caved.


If I was a betting man, and I am not, I would not be surprised If when Portland and Milwaukee were negotiating, Portland spoke to contenders like Philly, Boston, Brooklyn, etc and asked about what their interest was if they got Jrue Holliday in a return and wanted to reroute. This was why they pulled the trigger, I think they had affirmation and interest in Jrue's value. It just wouldn't make any sense at all, getting him and holding him on a team that is trying to rebuild, they needed to know that he held value for contenders. I think Miami definately one didn't know Milwaukee was in the fold, and two after the trade didn't believe Jrue would get that return.


I do have respect for Cronin having the balls to go against a superstars wishes and wait him out until he caved.
However, I don't think it was smart. This could have gone very bad easily.

From my impression Cronin was under a lot of pressure to get this deal done before camp, because of how things were standing between him and Dame. They weren't even talking and had to schedule a Zoom call with an NBA attourney to repoen communication again.

If Dame never opens up the list, Cronin has nothing and some of what is going on behind the scenes with Dame gets leaked eventually. Maybe he would have just taken the Miami offer in the end, but all this Toronto talk was just there to put pressure on Dame.
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Post#131 » by MiamiLoyal926 » Tue Oct 3, 2023 2:04 pm

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3 picks (assuming they can unlock that OKC pick) + 2 swaps + JJJ + expirings can be traded for someone.

It doesn't have to be a superstar like Dame/KD.
A guy like lets say Tyus Jones (maybe slightly more talented) could make this team better and have a future as well and I wouldn't expect him to cost all that.


This season, we can try to convert OKC pick to ‘26 unprotected which opens up trading ‘24, ‘28, and ‘30 while allowing swaps in ‘25, ‘27, and ‘29. You can attach that to Lowry and other players.

2024 Summer: After we make the 2024 draft pick, we can try and have the OKC pick become an unprotected ‘25 pick which opens up trading ‘27, ‘29, and ‘31 FRP while allowing swaps in ‘26, ‘28, and ‘30.

2025 Summer: Assuming the OKC pick is finally satisfied, we would be able to trade ‘26, ‘28, ‘30, and ‘32 FRP along with swaps in ‘27, ‘29, and ‘31. This would be the first time we would have all FRPs (assuming the 7 year rule).

2025 is the summer where Donovan and Tatum have player options for example. Player options means said players can leverage that player option to convince their current teams to facilitate a trade to a desired destination in return for the option to gain back some assets before they leave for nothing. We could actually see this unfold as soon as summer/trade deadline in the 24-25 season(next season).

I am not saying we should hold for this or that Cavs or Boston would facilitate a deal to conference rivals… but saying that having our assets coupled with player options makes for a far better argument than having less assets trying to trade for same players options or even worse, old players with 4 years/$216million dollars and absolutely no leverage!
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Post#132 » by Mak » Tue Oct 3, 2023 2:06 pm

Why is Kyle not talking to the media?
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Post#134 » by wade44 » Tue Oct 3, 2023 2:14 pm

It’s at the point where I’d rather see anyone else at starting PG than Kyle Lowry for next season
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Post#135 » by Bishop45 » Tue Oct 3, 2023 2:14 pm

Mak wrote:Why is Kyle not talking to the media?


Might just be a personal thing, but no one on the outside knows
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Post#140 » by RexBoyWonder » Tue Oct 3, 2023 2:50 pm

Pharenheit wrote:It’s at the point where I’d rather see anyone else at starting PG than Kyle Lowry for next season

Like iv'e said, I don't want to see his fat ass. At all.

He's not helping - not on offense, not defense, no leadership and no upside or trade value.

Try to build up Hampton, try to give Herro PG duties. Just don't Lowry.
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