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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1201 » by KingDavid » Sun Jan 8, 2017 3:38 pm

QUIZ wrote:Just looked up Monk's measurements, 6'3" with a 6'3" wingspan, no wonder he's not rated higher. That is a small SG. He's smaller than TJ.

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What's his standing reach? High shoulders usually help this.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1202 » by KingDavid » Sun Jan 8, 2017 3:41 pm

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QUIZ wrote:Just looked up Monk's measurements, 6'3" with a 6'3" wingspan, no wonder he's not rated higher. That is a small SG. He's smaller than TJ.


Think he actually has a 6'6" wingspan. Either way, he could develop into a decent PG. Teams will be making the same mistake they made with Curry.

The outlier isn't the rule.

Curry's stock was dropped because of those glass ankles, no?
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1203 » by UD4MVP » Sun Jan 8, 2017 4:17 pm

Didn't realize how many PF's are projected to go in 10-20th pick range. So half of the first 10 lottery picks are PGs and half of projected picks 10-20 are PFs. I would be pretty happy with any of Fultz (obv), DSJ, and Ball. I'm starting to feel the same way about PF's. I like Markannen, Isaac, Hartenstein, Rabb, and why not take a chance on Giles.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1204 » by UD4MVP » Sun Jan 8, 2017 4:21 pm

Considering how PG heavy this draft is, and how well Isaiah is playing for Boston. I wonder if they are really considering trading the pick. I think alot of teams would want to be in their position, being in the playoff hunt while having a pick thats really high. However, you could argue the pick may not develop properly since Boston has already developed players at each spot other than center. Jaylen Brown is getting like 10-15 minutes a game behind Crowder. Interesting situation though.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1205 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Sun Jan 8, 2017 4:45 pm

UD4MVP wrote:Considering how PG heavy this draft is, and how well Isaiah is playing for Boston. I wonder if they are really considering trading the pick. I think alot of teams would want to be in their position, being in the playoff hunt while having a pick thats really high. However, you could argue the pick may not develop properly since Boston has already developed players at each spot other than center. Jaylen Brown is getting like 10-15 minutes a game behind Crowder. Interesting situation though.


Celtics can make an upgrade at backup PG. They could take Ball at #2, odds are against them that they get the #1 pick. I just hope we get DSJ, Fultz or Tatum.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1206 » by JWG324 » Sun Jan 8, 2017 5:06 pm

UD4MVP wrote:Considering how PG heavy this draft is, and how well Isaiah is playing for Boston. I wonder if they are really considering trading the pick. I think alot of teams would want to be in their position, being in the playoff hunt while having a pick thats really high. However, you could argue the pick may not develop properly since Boston has already developed players at each spot other than center. Jaylen Brown is getting like 10-15 minutes a game behind Crowder. Interesting situation though.


Josh Jackson is Danny Ainge's wet dream. I think if they get the top pick they'll draft him.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1207 » by QUIZ » Sun Jan 8, 2017 5:07 pm

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QUIZ wrote:Just looked up Monk's measurements, 6'3" with a 6'3" wingspan, no wonder he's not rated higher. That is a small SG. He's smaller than TJ.


Think he actually has a 6'6" wingspan. Either way, he could develop into a decent PG. Teams will be making the same mistake they made with Curry.

The outlier isn't the rule.

Curry's stock was dropped because of those glass ankles, no?

I remember an NBA scout talking about how you should never draft someone based on their outlier comparison, instead you should ask yourself what role player they resemble for their floor. Like so many of these undersized 2's who can't shoot who never live up to the D Wade comparison.

Monk's ability to play PG will probably make or break him in the NBA. They said the same thing about Wade but didn't take into account the fact that he had a centers wingspan and monstrous strength.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1208 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Sun Jan 8, 2017 6:46 pm

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UD4MVP wrote:Considering how PG heavy this draft is, and how well Isaiah is playing for Boston. I wonder if they are really considering trading the pick. I think alot of teams would want to be in their position, being in the playoff hunt while having a pick thats really high. However, you could argue the pick may not develop properly since Boston has already developed players at each spot other than center. Jaylen Brown is getting like 10-15 minutes a game behind Crowder. Interesting situation though.


Josh Jackson is Danny Ainge's wet dream. I think if they get the top pick they'll draft him.


Jackson has no range and they just drafted a small forward in the lottery. They're also a playoff team so there's not much incentive to play him more than 5 minutes a game if they're trying to win.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1209 » by King_Supreme » Sun Jan 8, 2017 6:59 pm

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So is Jrue Holiday his ceiling?
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1210 » by Bishop45 » Sun Jan 8, 2017 8:22 pm

Old but first time spotting this game for him, if he keeps his play up, hard to see him lower than top 5

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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1211 » by leoshes » Sun Jan 8, 2017 8:33 pm

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Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Giles imo is another Winslow type of development. They both have tools that allows them to play instantly but their offense is severely lacking. I'm not completely against picking him especially if its in the teens or 20s but there's alot of question marks around him. It'll really depend on who's still on the board at the time


If he passes 11th its a steal. I see him going in the top 10.

Depends on how you project him. I never considered Winslow a top 5 pick in his draft. I always had him in that 8-13 range. So in my eyes it not a steal but good value and i feel the same about Giles even if he didn't have the surgery I wouldn't advocate to take him top 8.


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I had Winslow at 8, & Stanley J at 10, & i really liked Stan a lot at that time. But thats cause i didnt think we could get Winslow. Now that we got him i am content with him till he gets his out side shot going then i can see him blow up.

& the only thing holding Giles back was his injuries. Now its shaking off the rust. & by the tournament him, & Tatum will be at full speed.

My top 5 are .
Fultz
Jackson
Ball or Smith JR
Tatum

I dont like Monk cause he is a midget, with T-Rex arms. At least he has that 45inch vert going for him.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1212 » by Cmon_Son-_- » Sun Jan 8, 2017 8:50 pm

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leoshes wrote:
If he passes 11th its a steal. I see him going in the top 10.

Depends on how you project him. I never considered Winslow a top 5 pick in his draft. I always had him in that 8-13 range. So in my eyes it not a steal but good value and i feel the same about Giles even if he didn't have the surgery I wouldn't advocate to take him top 8.


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I had Winslow at 8, & Stanley J at 10, & i really liked Stan a lot at that time. But thats cause i didnt think we could get Winslow. Now that we got him i am content with him till he gets his out side shot going then i can see him blow up.

& the only thing holding Giles back was his injuries. Now its shaking off the rust. & by the tournament him, & Tatum will be at full speed.

My top 5 are .
Fultz
Jackson
Ball or Smith JR
Tatum

I dont like Monk cause he is a midget, with T-Rex arms. At least he has that 45inch vert going for him.


It could happen but I really don't see Winslow becoming a player that will ever shoot all that well. I think Winslow should try to become a shorter Draymond Green and the guy we draft needs to be an Alpha that can still defend. That's why at this point I have Fultz and Dennis Smith as my 1 and 2 but overall my top 5 is the same as yours.

Also i'm passing on Giles don't think he has the skills and can't see us being that patient with 2 players unless we also pick up a big name free agent.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1213 » by leoshes » Sun Jan 8, 2017 11:21 pm

Cmon_Son-_- wrote:
leoshes wrote:
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Depends on how you project him. I never considered Winslow a top 5 pick in his draft. I always had him in that 8-13 range. So in my eyes it not a steal but good value and i feel the same about Giles even if he didn't have the surgery I wouldn't advocate to take him top 8.


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I had Winslow at 8, & Stanley J at 10, & i really liked Stan a lot at that time. But thats cause i didnt think we could get Winslow. Now that we got him i am content with him till he gets his out side shot going then i can see him blow up.

& the only thing holding Giles back was his injuries. Now its shaking off the rust. & by the tournament him, & Tatum will be at full speed.

My top 5 are .
Fultz
Jackson
Ball or Smith JR
Tatum

I dont like Monk cause he is a midget, with T-Rex arms. At least he has that 45inch vert going for him.


It could happen but I really don't see Winslow becoming a player that will ever shoot all that well. I think Winslow should try to become a shorter Draymond Green and the guy we draft needs to be an Alpha that can still defend. That's why at this point I have Fultz and Dennis Smith as my 1 and 2 but overall my top 5 is the same as yours.

Also i'm passing on Giles don't think he has the skills and can't see us being that patient with 2 players unless we also pick up a big name free agent.



I think its still too early to think that Winslow won't improve his shot. He still has time. Till then he can live off of his defense, ball handling, play making, & hitting the glass. He still has that going for him.

Denis JR didn't play that well in his lose to NC, with only 11 points, 5 ast, 5 reb, 6 to, 3 st, on 4-10 shooting. it was 56 - 107. :nonono:


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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1214 » by Bishop45 » Sun Jan 8, 2017 11:43 pm

Giles not eem' able to run full speed atm, his lottery chances are probably shot if this is his medium

Give him some time tho
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1215 » by JWG324 » Mon Jan 9, 2017 12:06 am

Cmon_Son-_- wrote:
leoshes wrote:
Cmon_Son-_- wrote:Depends on how you project him. I never considered Winslow a top 5 pick in his draft. I always had him in that 8-13 range. So in my eyes it not a steal but good value and i feel the same about Giles even if he didn't have the surgery I wouldn't advocate to take him top 8.


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I had Winslow at 8, & Stanley J at 10, & i really liked Stan a lot at that time. But thats cause i didnt think we could get Winslow. Now that we got him i am content with him till he gets his out side shot going then i can see him blow up.

& the only thing holding Giles back was his injuries. Now its shaking off the rust. & by the tournament him, & Tatum will be at full speed.

My top 5 are .
Fultz
Jackson
Ball or Smith JR
Tatum

I dont like Monk cause he is a midget, with T-Rex arms. At least he has that 45inch vert going for him.


It could happen but I really don't see Winslow becoming a player that will ever shoot all that well. I think Winslow should try to become a shorter Draymond Green and the guy we draft needs to be an Alpha that can still defend. That's why at this point I have Fultz and Dennis Smith as my 1 and 2 but overall my top 5 is the same as yours.

Also i'm passing on Giles don't think he has the skills and can't see us being that patient with 2 players unless we also pick up a big name free agent.


Winslow listed at 6'7 225
Greet listed at 6'7 230

Winslow could easily become exactly what Green is, but better because he has more explosion. He just doesn't have that shot yet.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1216 » by Prince Ali » Mon Jan 9, 2017 12:12 am

JWG324 wrote:Winslow listed at 6'7 225
Greet listed at 6'7 230

Winslow could easily become exactly what Green is, but better because he has more explosion. He just doesn't have that shot yet.


Listed height. Justise is a shade under 6'7 in shoes, Green is a shade under 6'8. I do agree he can become an even better version of Draymond Green is.
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Post#1217 » by MartyCONLONNN » Mon Jan 9, 2017 12:33 am

timing might seem reactionary to game against UNC but I don't really see DSJ as a top 5 as far as the Heat's preference/style of players. Jackson, Fultz, Ball, Tatum, even a few other guys seem way more versatile with the kinda length and athleticism that our scouting team loves. Sure DSJ is a stud in college, but how will his tiny arms and scorers mentality translate to the NBA? I think he's the furthest from sure product of the top picks. Could be totally wrong but I have Johnny Flynn comps lingering in my mind
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Post#1218 » by County of Wade » Mon Jan 9, 2017 1:16 am

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Havent really heard Riley being in person to watch other top prospects.
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Post#1219 » by MartyCONLONNN » Mon Jan 9, 2017 1:31 am

I think it's the 2nd time he's gone to watch Ball live
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Post#1220 » by County of Wade » Mon Jan 9, 2017 1:35 am

yeah, he was there a few weeks ago as well.

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