MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 Vol.4 - Beasley Time

[dean456]

Kinda wish Jimmy agreed to a 2yr extension so he expired at the same time Kyle does, but I guess that’s the price of doing business. Can’t expect him to leave that kinda cash on the table. That’s lifetime multi-generational legacy sorta numbers.

Make he’s so not worth it.. good player but no super star..

it takes a good GM to plan everything in advance. Take the Lakers, Lebron and Westbrook all expire at the same year and they have AD in his prime. We are giving Lowry more guaranteed money that Chris Paul, that’s just crazy.

It's not really that crazy. Chris Paul's deal is 4yrs 120mil with his 3rd year only 50% guaranteed and 4th year Team Option. Paul has 8% raises while Lowry has 5% raises because he's signing with a new team so the difference in guaranteed salary is only like 13mil over a 3yr span.

Plus Paul is a year older and has played 7300 more total minutes than Lowry which is 20% of the total minutes Paul's played in his career.

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a dribble pull up from 12-16 feet could really help his offense, one thing I'm confident about - Duncan will keep trying to ipmrove and grow his game.

It's insane to hear an NBA player who just signed a $90 million contract talk about wanting to develop a 2 point shot.

I guess next year it'll be "I need to work on my dribbling."

[puppa bear]

Omer Yurtseven Signs 2 Year Contract with Heat


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/yurtseven-signs-two-year-contract-with-heat.html#comments

So no bird rights? If he’s as good as we hope after two years he will go to the highest bidder.

We had him signed last year, so after the 2 years he’ll have 3 with us and we’ll have full RFA rights - just like we did with Nunn.

If he becomes what we hope he does, then he’ll be staying like Duncan. His agent said the Heat were the only team to return his calls and give Omer a look. He said that he wouldn’t do the Heat like Willie Reed, he said he’s not like that and he wouldn’t let Omer after what the Heat did for him last year.

[puppa bear]

If I thought the Heat was willing to go into the tax, I’d be hoping them to be looking at Markannen. Lauri has said he wants to move on and needs a change. Heat are the team to maximise players and reignite a career, as long as you’re willing to be a Heat player. Lauri still has the potential to be a starter on a Finals level team, but right now he’s as far from it as Tyler.

Reality is, with PJ & Kieff signed to play PF they won’t. Spo needs to give some development minutes to Omer, and Dedmon will take the bulk of the back-up grunt work, so there’s no minutes at the 5 either.

Instead, maybe shift to someone like Exum who has come off a solid Olympics, shown he can defend and has some offensive tools.

Instead I’m sure it will be two 2-ways and only 1 more vet min, saving the BAE for a buy-out candidate who they deem worthy of going into tax for.

[AirP.]

Omer Yurtseven Signs 2 Year Contract with Heat


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/08/yurtseven-signs-two-year-contract-with-heat.html#comments

So no bird rights? If he’s as good as we hope after two years he will go to the highest bidder.

We had him signed last year, so after the 2 years he’ll have 3 with us and we’ll have full RFA rights - just like we did with Nunn.

If he becomes what we hope he does, then he’ll be staying like Duncan. His agent said the Heat were the only team to return his calls and give Omer a look. He said that he wouldn’t do the Heat like Willie Reed, he said he’s not like that and he wouldn’t let Omer after what the Heat did for him last year.

RFA? Miami declined his second year of his first contract, this is his second contract, don't think it works that way unless I'm missing something. Miami did do what the agent requested so even if they don't have RFA the agent/player may lean heavily with staying with Miami. Nunn was signed for 3 years at the end of his 1st year, not the same situation, it was Nunn's first contract.

[dean456]

So no bird rights? If he’s as good as we hope after two years he will go to the highest bidder.

We had him signed last year, so after the 2 years he’ll have 3 with us and we’ll have full RFA rights - just like we did with Nunn.

If he becomes what we hope he does, then he’ll be staying like Duncan. His agent said the Heat were the only team to return his calls and give Omer a look. He said that he wouldn’t do the Heat like Willie Reed, he said he’s not like that and he wouldn’t let Omer after what the Heat did for him last year.

RFA? Miami declined his second year of his first contract, this is his second contract, don't think it works that way unless I'm missing something. Miami did do what the agent requested so even if they don't have RFA the agent/player may lean heavily with staying with Miami. Nunn was signed for 3 years at the end of his 1st year, not the same situation, it was Nunn's first contract.

Bird rights only expire when players change team not when a contracts declined from what I read.

[AirP.]

We had him signed last year, so after the 2 years he’ll have 3 with us and we’ll have full RFA rights - just like we did with Nunn.

If he becomes what we hope he does, then he’ll be staying like Duncan. His agent said the Heat were the only team to return his calls and give Omer a look. He said that he wouldn’t do the Heat like Willie Reed, he said he’s not like that and he wouldn’t let Omer after what the Heat did for him last year.

RFA? Miami declined his second year of his first contract, this is his second contract, don't think it works that way unless I'm missing something. Miami did do what the agent requested so even if they don't have RFA the agent/player may lean heavily with staying with Miami. Nunn was signed for 3 years at the end of his 1st year, not the same situation, it was Nunn's first contract.

Bird rights only expire when players change team not when a contracts declined from what I read.

Bird rights sure, but that's not the same as restricted free agent where a team can just match to retain them.

[MettaWorldPanda]

We have one more vet minimum contract left and when signed we will be about 250k away from the tax. Heat will do everything they can to avoid it this year knowing that next year they will have to pay it. They also want to avoid future repeater tax. With that being said

C/PF Bam Adebayo C Dewayne Dedmon C Omer Yurtseven
PF/SF PJ Tucker PF/C Markieff Morris
SF Jimmy Butler SF/PF KZ Okpala
SG/SF Duncan Robinson SG Tyler Herro SG/SF Max Strus
PG Kyle Lowry PG(14) PG Gabe Vincent

*IR SG/PG Victor Oladipo
(15) Flexible buyout or late season young player signing

2 way contracts- Need to focus on developing a young wing and PG.

Looking at this depth chart it would be clownish to sign UD to the 14th roster spot considering how thin we are behind Lowry. We have enough to cover the wing so not worried but we need a vet PG to hold the fort down until Dipo comes back in the next 4-5 months.

[Dc__20]

We should sign exum. If healthy he can help off the bench

[AirP.]

We have one more vet minimum contract left and when signed we will be about 250k away from the tax. Heat will do everything they can to avoid it this year knowing that next year they will have to pay it. They also want to avoid future repeater tax. With that being said

C/PF Bam Adebayo C Dewayne Dedmon C Omer Yurtseven
PF/SF PJ Tucker PF/C Markieff Morris
SF Jimmy Butler SF/PF KZ Okpala
SG/SF Duncan Robinson SG Tyler Herro SG/SF Max Strus
PG Kyle Lowry PG(14) PG Gabe Vincent

*IR SG/PG Victor Oladipo
(15) Flexible buyout or late season young player signing

2 way contracts- Need to focus on developing a young wing and PG.

Looking at this depth chart it would be clownish to sign UD to the 14th roster spot considering how thin we are behind Lowry. We have enough to cover the wing so not worried but we need a vet PG to hold the fort down until Dipo comes back in the next 4-5 months.

If Lowry goes out Miami has enough options with Vincent, Butler, Herro and even Bam to cover PG. Then of course Miami may have Oladipo at some point this season.

[MettaWorldPanda]

We have one more vet minimum contract left and when signed we will be about 250k away from the tax. Heat will do everything they can to avoid it this year knowing that next year they will have to pay it. They also want to avoid future repeater tax. With that being said

C/PF Bam Adebayo C Dewayne Dedmon C Omer Yurtseven
PF/SF PJ Tucker PF/C Markieff Morris
SF Jimmy Butler SF/PF KZ Okpala
SG/SF Duncan Robinson SG Tyler Herro SG/SF Max Strus
PG Kyle Lowry PG(14) PG Gabe Vincent

*IR SG/PG Victor Oladipo
(15) Flexible buyout or late season young player signing

2 way contracts- Need to focus on developing a young wing and PG.

Looking at this depth chart it would be clownish to sign UD to the 14th roster spot considering how thin we are behind Lowry. We have enough to cover the wing so not worried but we need a vet PG to hold the fort down until Dipo comes back in the next 4-5 months.

If Lowry goes out Miami has enough options with Vincent, Butler, Herro and even Bam to cover PG. Then of course Miami may have Oladipo at some point this season.

I think this is the lazy way out here and the sign UD at all cost excuse. Herro was horrible trying to create at PG and Vincent is a very meh combo guard. Bam and Butler can bring up the ball but you still want a PG who can get them easy baskets on the floor.

[MettaWorldPanda]

We should sign exum. If healthy he can help off the bench

After watching him in the Olympics. I feel like he would be a great signing. Has great size at 6'6 to cover for the voids at PG/SF. We just need him to stay healthy enough till Oladipo comes back. Still some solid backcourt names available that can help give some depth behind Lowry. I would take any of these guys over Vincent right now.

PG Avery Bradley
PG Dante Exum
PG Langston Galloway
PG Dennis Smith Jr
PG Frank Ntilikina

[AirP.]

We have one more vet minimum contract left and when signed we will be about 250k away from the tax. Heat will do everything they can to avoid it this year knowing that next year they will have to pay it. They also want to avoid future repeater tax. With that being said

C/PF Bam Adebayo C Dewayne Dedmon C Omer Yurtseven
PF/SF PJ Tucker PF/C Markieff Morris
SF Jimmy Butler SF/PF KZ Okpala
SG/SF Duncan Robinson SG Tyler Herro SG/SF Max Strus
PG Kyle Lowry PG(14) PG Gabe Vincent

*IR SG/PG Victor Oladipo
(15) Flexible buyout or late season young player signing

2 way contracts- Need to focus on developing a young wing and PG.

Looking at this depth chart it would be clownish to sign UD to the 14th roster spot considering how thin we are behind Lowry. We have enough to cover the wing so not worried but we need a vet PG to hold the fort down until Dipo comes back in the next 4-5 months.

If Lowry goes out Miami has enough options with Vincent, Butler, Herro and even Bam to cover PG. Then of course Miami may have Oladipo at some point this season.

I think this is the lazy way out here and the sign UD at all cost excuse. Herro was horrible trying to create at PG and Vincent is a very meh combo guard. Bam and Butler can bring up the ball but you still want a PG who can get them easy baskets on the floor.

Not Lazy thinking, realistic. I don't see a min vet PG that Miami can get being any better help then what they have now.

They spent a bunch to get Lowry, and to have good players in other positions, this is the downside of getting expensive players when you're hard capped. If money wasn't an issue then Nunn would still be in Miami, he would have been an great value for his contract and all it cost was money.. tax money.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If Lowry goes out Miami has enough options with Vincent, Butler, Herro and even Bam to cover PG. Then of course Miami may have Oladipo at some point this season.

I think this is the lazy way out here and the sign UD at all cost excuse. Herro was horrible trying to create at PG and Vincent is a very meh combo guard. Bam and Butler can bring up the ball but you still want a PG who can get them easy baskets on the floor.

Not Lazy thinking, realistic. I don't see a min vet PG that Miami can get being any better help then what they have now.

They spent a bunch to get Lowry, and to have good players in other positions, this is the downside of getting expensive players when you're hard capped. If money wasn't an issue then Nunn would still be in Miami, he would have been an great value for his contract and all it cost was money.. tax money.

We have one more vet minimum contract and about 5 capable guards we can offer it to. That contract does not have to go to UD.

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a dribble pull up from 12-16 feet could really help his offense, one thing I'm confident about - Duncan will keep trying to ipmrove and grow his game.

It's insane to hear an NBA player who just signed a $90 million contract talk about wanting to develop a 2 point shot.

I guess next year it'll be "I need to work on my dribbling."

Well, what do you want him to say? Its not his fault he got the contract that the market dictated. He has a skill that is at an all-time premium and he is one of the best at it. You would rather have it than without it, ESPECIALLY on this team. Remember, he CHOSE us; he could had a bigger contract elsewhere. I'm happy to hear players talking about improving specifics of their game, no matter how trivial. He is a gotdamn success story in this league and its not because of NOT improving parts of his game. Let the man live. If not, don't say nothing when he does what he said he was going to do.

[AirP.]

I think this is the lazy way out here and the sign UD at all cost excuse. Herro was horrible trying to create at PG and Vincent is a very meh combo guard. Bam and Butler can bring up the ball but you still want a PG who can get them easy baskets on the floor.

Not Lazy thinking, realistic. I don't see a min vet PG that Miami can get being any better help then what they have now.

They spent a bunch to get Lowry, and to have good players in other positions, this is the downside of getting expensive players when you're hard capped. If money wasn't an issue then Nunn would still be in Miami, he would have been an great value for his contract and all it cost was money.. tax money.

We have one more vet minimum contract and about 5 capable guards we can offer it to. That contract does not have to go to UD.

I personally don't care if UD gets a contract but I could see this roster only going to 14 to stay under the tax(which probably is the smart thing to do). I think at least 1 of the 2 ways players on this team will be able to handle the ball as a backup also.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Hope to see KZ and Vincent on Sunday night. If we are committed to KZ this year it looks like he’ll be playing mostly the 3 spot which is a good thing. Might be a good fit in lineups with Tucker especially for defensive purposes. Okpala needs to play free on offense and channel his days at Stanford.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

I’ve been pretty hard on KZ but he is turning into something on the defensive perimeter. I think it’s up to Spo now to give him a little freedom on offense to take his man off the dribble from top of the key instead of being so robotic. I want to see a KZ looking to score at every chance in these Vegas games. We need to see this KZ more often.

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[HeatIn5]

So looking at the deal, it doesn’t look like we gave up any picks for Lowry, just Dragic and Precious


Side note, hope we don’t just give 7 to Lowry. That would be weird. Give me 0 or 17