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Re: Miami Heat Off-Season 2.0- The Empire runs it back 

Post#1501 » by DayofMourning » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:23 pm

I'd trade LaMelo and pick Scoot at two.
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Post#1502 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:23 pm

SoFlaKingReal wrote:If the Dame thing did materialize, we would not be in a position to hold anything beyond Butler+Bam lol. Outside of the obvious Herro plus all picks available....Martin gone, Jovic gone.


You mean for salary purposes or just in general you think we’re completely gutted?
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Post#1503 » by contract » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:24 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Praying someone asks Pat the hard questions tomorrow, I hope Dame tunes in to watch

He's not sleeping. He's just resting his eyes.
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Post#1504 » by jele » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:25 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:The same ones who stan The Godfather and defend his every move/judgement don’t believe he can get the job done and land his number 1 priority this offseason in Dame?

If your boy Bam does get the help he needs to win a championship, he should request a trade. Do you agree with that?

You should avoid this.

Why? I don't mean it in a derogatory way. Bam is his second favorite player. Anyway, if Pat Riley cannot put a good team around Jimmy a Bam, then Bam should request a trade. He is entering his peak.
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Post#1505 » by Flash4thewin » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:28 pm

I think the fundamental flaw in Dame asking out is that he won't just pick the Heat. He will never say just trade me only to the Heat. That means it will be a bidding war, from the teams he puts on his list. Our assets can easily be trumped. Thats when reality of this situation hits.
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Post#1506 » by SoFlaKingReal » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:29 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
SoFlaKingReal wrote:If the Dame thing did materialize, we would not be in a position to hold anything beyond Butler+Bam lol. Outside of the obvious Herro plus all picks available....Martin gone, Jovic gone.


You mean for salary purposes or just in general you think we’re completely gutted?



Not sure salary wise, but from a standpoint of having to entice Portland to accept out offer. Whatever Portland wants, they will get.
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Post#1507 » by oreon » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:29 pm

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Shewasfly wrote:Beal wanted to be in Phx to play with KD. Its not any more complex than that.

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Post#1508 » by miamiballer » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:32 pm

I disagree I think dame will have a preference and Portland will trade him there to do him a solid
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Post#1509 » by SoFlaKingReal » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:41 pm

Hey guys....we aren't the only delusional fanbase:


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Post#1510 » by wadenation305 » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:41 pm

Thinking a corporation will do an employee a solid is an excellent way to get long bowed. They will never do you a solid unless you have an insider (Suns/Beal's agent). Besides that, Brooklyn is on his list. They drop 5 1sts (Mind you they have 11 Total) and already Pat Riley becomes distant background noise in the ears of Portland. Next Guy after Dame the Knicks have like 7-10 picks, the next guy after that..... you get my point.
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Post#1511 » by Spacely » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:46 pm

wadenation305 wrote:Thinking a corporation will do an employee a solid is an excellent way to get long bowed. They will never do you a solid unless you have an insider (Suns/Beal's agent). Besides that, Brooklyn is on his list. They drop 5 1sts (Mind you they have 11 Total) and already Pat Riley becomes distant background noise in the ears of Portland. Next Guy after Dame the Knicks have like 7-10 picks, the next guy after that..... you get my point.


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Post#1512 » by carnageta » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:46 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Heats most recent draft workouts are all tell tale signs that a trade back is imminent in the up coming draft. Both these prospects projected as late 1st or early second round picks.

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Hmmm not necessarily. Miami had KZ Okpala 2nd on their board behind Tyler Herro in the 2019 draft. It's very possible they could have taken KZ with that pick had Herro been selected earlier, lol.
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Post#1513 » by Lennyzinho » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:48 pm

SoFlaKingReal wrote:Hey guys....we aren't the only delusional fanbase:


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Bill Simmons said on his pod today that he thinks Zion is as good as gone this week. Pelicans don't want to move Ingram. Bill pretty in the know of nba dealing. Knicks have a ton of assets, ton. And sending an all star like Randle plus picks and a young player or two to play with ingram and McCollum... you improve now (based on zion never playing for them) and you improve for the future if you get frp's and a dude like quickley or toppin or whoever else. I think this has real smoke to it.
Knicks want to move on from Randle and have the assets to get just about anyone.
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Post#1514 » by SoFlaKingReal » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:50 pm

Lennyzinho wrote:
SoFlaKingReal wrote:Hey guys....we aren't the only delusional fanbase:


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Bill Simmons said on his pod today that he thinks Zion is as good as gone this week. Pelicans don't want to move Ingram. Bill pretty in the know of nba dealing. Knicks have a ton of assets, ton. And sending an all star like Randle plus picks and a young player or two to play with ingram and McCollum... you improve now (based on zion never playing for them) and you improve for the future if you get frp's and a dude like quickley or toppin or whoever else. I think this has real smoke to it.
Knicks want to move on from Randle and have the assets to get just about anyone.


That would be an awful deal for the Pelicans....they must be at wit's end with Zion, who was considered generational talent just a couple years ago. Now they fine with Julius Randle and middle of the pack future firsts.
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Post#1515 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:51 pm

Bill Simmons: “I had somebody tell me yesterday that I trust, Zion Williamson will not be on that team Thursday.”


so portland? Dame is staying put
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Post#1516 » by carnageta » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:52 pm

wadenation305 wrote:Thinking a corporation will do an employee a solid is an excellent way to get long bowed. They will never do you a solid unless you have an insider (Suns/Beal's agent). Besides that, Brooklyn is on his list. They drop 5 1sts (Mind you they have 11 Total) and already Pat Riley becomes distant background noise in the ears of Portland. Next Guy after Dame the Knicks have like 7-10 picks, the next guy after that..... you get my point.


Yup.

Only shot that we have is if Dame specifically mentions to Portland that he wants to play for Miami and no one else. They may honor his wish if the package is attractive enough.

That being said, players often specify a list of team's (as opposed to a single team) when forcing their way out.. and in that case if the list of team's includes Brooklyn and/or NY we may basically be toast.
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Post#1517 » by greg4012 » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:53 pm

Lennyzinho wrote:
SoFlaKingReal wrote:Hey guys....we aren't the only delusional fanbase:


Read on Twitter
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Bill Simmons said on his pod today that he thinks Zion is as good as gone this week. Pelicans don't want to move Ingram. Bill pretty in the know of nba dealing. Knicks have a ton of assets, ton. And sending an all star like Randle plus picks and a young player or two to play with ingram and McCollum... you improve now (based on zion never playing for them) and you improve for the future if you get frp's and a dude like quickley or toppin or whoever else. I think this has real smoke to it.
Knicks want to move on from Randle and have the assets to get just about anyone.


Personally, I would love to see the Knicks exhaust their assets on Zion.
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Post#1518 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:53 pm

Lennyzinho wrote:
SoFlaKingReal wrote:Hey guys....we aren't the only delusional fanbase:


Read on Twitter
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Bill Simmons said on his pod today that he thinks Zion is as good as gone this week. Pelicans don't want to move Ingram. Bill pretty in the know of nba dealing. Knicks have a ton of assets, ton. And sending an all star like Randle plus picks and a young player or two to play with ingram and McCollum... you improve now (based on zion never playing for them) and you improve for the future if you get frp's and a dude like quickley or toppin or whoever else. I think this has real smoke to it.
Knicks want to move on from Randle and have the assets to get just about anyone.

why would anyone want Zion?

he's injury prone. i wouldnt even want to rely on him if you gave him to me for free, i would still plan to have someone that we can rely on because id expect zion to get injured
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Post#1519 » by Bishop45 » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:57 pm

Shewasfly wrote:Speaking from as unbiased a space as I can, I think the Blazers would be idiots if they can somehow flip the 3rd pick and extras into OG and Siakam to pair with Dame and refuse to do it. Especially if they can somehow keep Simons.

Unless they can trade up to #2, or somehow Charlotte is dumb enough to pass on Scoot and he falls to 3, I think Blazers try to build a contender for Dame.

So, here's to hoping Charlotte **** it up.


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Post#1520 » by carnageta » Mon Jun 19, 2023 7:57 pm

I still believe KP makes a lot of sense, if the health checks are green. He provides size next to Bam. He provides spacing on the perimeter. He provides rebounding and paint protection. More importantly, he's a scorer that get can his own in the half court.

With KP on the roster, we'd have four (4) players on our team that can score over 20ppg - Butler, Bam, Herro, and KP himself. He fills the much need void offensively.

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