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Re: RE: Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1801 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Fri Feb 3, 2017 2:24 pm

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RexBoyWonder wrote:The NBA today is not about adding nice role players on draft night. You need core young stars, every good team has them.

This bizarre winning streak might be what sets up apart from a true star building block (Fultz, Jackson, Smith) and nets us a random MLE type talent


That's incorrect. If you're a team like GSW you don't need a star, you only need a good role player. The draft isn't just about adding stars. How many stars are on the 2nd seed Celtics? 1 or 2? You should be happy that you get an above average player on draft night. All you need is some great defense and offense to win a championship and a little luck.

Are we a team like GSW? That was clearly not the point of his post.

On a team like ours with nobody even threatening to be an all-star much less superstar, more roleplayers shouldn't be your focus.

We're overloaded with roleplayers.

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Clearly wasn't the point of his post?

"The NBA today is not about adding nice role players on draft night". Clearly it was.

You think GSW fans expect to draft a future star with their pick? Drafting a future star isn't a need to compete for a championship it's only a want. You only need to come out of the draft better than you were before the draft. The problem that I have with his post is the idea that all teams don't draft to at least get a role-player. Also, aren't the Spurs overloaded with roleplayers? No one currently playing at a star level was drafted by that team.
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Re: RE: Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1802 » by Hallstar » Fri Feb 3, 2017 6:59 pm

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That's incorrect. If you're a team like GSW you don't need a star, you only need a good role player. The draft isn't just about adding stars. How many stars are on the 2nd seed Celtics? 1 or 2? You should be happy that you get an above average player on draft night. All you need is some great defense and offense to win a championship and a little luck.

Are we a team like GSW? That was clearly not the point of his post.

On a team like ours with nobody even threatening to be an all-star much less superstar, more roleplayers shouldn't be your focus.

We're overloaded with roleplayers.

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Clearly wasn't the point of his post?

"The NBA today is not about adding nice role players on draft night". Clearly it was.

You think GSW fans expect to draft a future star with their pick? Drafting a future star isn't a need to compete for a championship it's only a want. You only need to come out of the draft better than you were before the draft. The problem that I have with his post is the idea that all teams don't draft to at least get a role-player. Also, aren't the Spurs overloaded with roleplayers? No one currently playing at a star level was drafted by that team.


The context of his post is clearly about team building, Golden State added 3 of their 4 allstars on draft night
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Re: RE: Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1803 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Fri Feb 3, 2017 8:21 pm

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Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Hallstar wrote:Are we a team like GSW? That was clearly not the point of his post.

On a team like ours with nobody even threatening to be an all-star much less superstar, more roleplayers shouldn't be your focus.

We're overloaded with roleplayers.

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Clearly wasn't the point of his post?

"The NBA today is not about adding nice role players on draft night". Clearly it was.

You think GSW fans expect to draft a future star with their pick? Drafting a future star isn't a need to compete for a championship it's only a want. You only need to come out of the draft better than you were before the draft. The problem that I have with his post is the idea that all teams don't draft to at least get a role-player. Also, aren't the Spurs overloaded with roleplayers? No one currently playing at a star level was drafted by that team.

The context of his post is clearly about team building, Golden State added 3 of their 4 allstars on draft night


Does GS need another star out of this draft?
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Re: RE: Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1804 » by contract » Fri Feb 3, 2017 8:23 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Hallstar wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
That's incorrect. If you're a team like GSW you don't need a star, you only need a good role player. The draft isn't just about adding stars. How many stars are on the 2nd seed Celtics? 1 or 2? You should be happy that you get an above average player on draft night. All you need is some great defense and offense to win a championship and a little luck.

Are we a team like GSW? That was clearly not the point of his post.

On a team like ours with nobody even threatening to be an all-star much less superstar, more roleplayers shouldn't be your focus.

We're overloaded with roleplayers.

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Clearly wasn't the point of his post?

"The NBA today is not about adding nice role players on draft night". Clearly it was.

You think GSW fans expect to draft a future star with their pick? Drafting a future star isn't a need to compete for a championship it's only a want. You only need to come out of the draft better than you were before the draft. The problem that I have with his post is the idea that all teams don't draft to at least get a role-player. Also, aren't the Spurs overloaded with roleplayers? No one currently playing at a star level was drafted by that team.

Come on! Golden State is already overstocked with superstars. Draymond Green and Klay Thompson are the 3rd and 4th best players on that team. Either of them would be our best player.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1805 » by Heatle » Fri Feb 3, 2017 9:36 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote: Even if we don't get a future star from this year's draft, there's still a good chance we could get a nice role-player. I can get excited about almost any prospect slated to get picked in the teens just cause there's a chance that might happen.


We can get role players in free agency. We have nobody to build around. Hassan and Goran are not first options on a championship team.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1806 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Fri Feb 3, 2017 9:58 pm

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Feel_the_Heat15 wrote: Even if we don't get a future star from this year's draft, there's still a good chance we could get a nice role-player. I can get excited about almost any prospect slated to get picked in the teens just cause there's a chance that might happen.


We can get role players in free agency. We have nobody to build around. Hassan and Goran are not first options on a championship team.


Veteran free agents aren't cheap.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1807 » by puppa bear » Sat Feb 4, 2017 12:51 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Heatle wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote: Even if we don't get a future star from this year's draft, there's still a good chance we could get a nice role-player. I can get excited about almost any prospect slated to get picked in the teens just cause there's a chance that might happen.


We can get role players in free agency. We have nobody to build around. Hassan and Goran are not first options on a championship team.


Veteran free agents aren't cheap.

Are we really still arguing this? The new CBA dictates that teams need to be built like GSW was originally: you get your core through the draft and then add a fringe all-star vet (Iggy) through FA, and smart trades (Bogut) just before rookie contracts blow up.

We take what we get on draft night, but we don't have the star power to win a ring on this roster. If we can get a star on draft night we take them & run. Otherwise we get the best piece we can and hopefully it fits our current roster.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1808 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Sat Feb 4, 2017 2:38 pm

puppa bear wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Heatle wrote:
We can get role players in free agency. We have nobody to build around. Hassan and Goran are not first options on a championship team.


Veteran free agents aren't cheap.

Are we really still arguing this? The new CBA dictates that teams need to be built like GSW was originally: you get your core through the draft and then add a fringe all-star vet (Iggy) through FA, and smart trades (Bogut) just before rookie contracts blow up.

We take what we get on draft night, but we don't have the star power to win a ring on this roster. If we can get a star on draft night we take them & run. Otherwise we get the best piece we can and hopefully it fits our current roster.


All I'm saying is be thankful if you get a Steve Adams out of the draft. Odds of drafting a subpar player is high.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1809 » by cyclix » Sat Feb 4, 2017 4:48 pm

Fultz vs Ball today if anyone is interested.
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Re: RE: Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1810 » by Hallstar » Sat Feb 4, 2017 5:17 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
puppa bear wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Veteran free agents aren't cheap.

Are we really still arguing this? The new CBA dictates that teams need to be built like GSW was originally: you get your core through the draft and then add a fringe all-star vet (Iggy) through FA, and smart trades (Bogut) just before rookie contracts blow up.

We take what we get on draft night, but we don't have the star power to win a ring on this roster. If we can get a star on draft night we take them & run. Otherwise we get the best piece we can and hopefully it fits our current roster.


All I'm saying is be thankful if you get a Steve Adams out of the draft. Odds of drafting a subpar player is high.

To what end though? Drafting the next Steven Adams does not shift anything for us. Just another middling player that eventually needs to be paid.

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Re: RE: Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1811 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Sat Feb 4, 2017 6:12 pm

Hallstar wrote:
Spoiler:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
puppa bear wrote:Are we really still arguing this? The new CBA dictates that teams need to be built like GSW was originally: you get your core through the draft and then add a fringe all-star vet (Iggy) through FA, and smart trades (Bogut) just before rookie contracts blow up.

We take what we get on draft night, but we don't have the star power to win a ring on this roster. If we can get a star on draft night we take them & run. Otherwise we get the best piece we can and hopefully it fits our current roster.


All I'm saying is be thankful if you get a Steve Adams out of the draft. Odds of drafting a subpar player is high.

To what end though? Drafting the next Steven Adams does not shift anything for us. Just another middling player that eventually needs to be paid.

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Think you're being a little shortsighted there. If we add another good PF to this roster then we get a better, deeper team. We'd also have more opportunities to make a decent trade. Also, Look at players like Cousins and AD. Great players but their supporting cast are terrible to decent. Unless you're a generational player like LBJ you won't get very far without a great supporting cast and there isn't a clear one(generational player) in this draft. I don't see why people can't appreciate a good pick if they're picking later than 7 or 8. Sooner or later you'll get that star and you'll want to surround that star with great players so why not do it before you get that star?
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Re: RE: Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1812 » by Heatle » Sat Feb 4, 2017 7:45 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Hallstar wrote:
Spoiler:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
All I'm saying is be thankful if you get a Steve Adams out of the draft. Odds of drafting a subpar player is high.

To what end though? Drafting the next Steven Adams does not shift anything for us. Just another middling player that eventually needs to be paid.

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Think you're being a little shortsighted there. If we add another good PF to this roster then we get a better, deeper team. We'd also have more opportunities to make a decent trade. Also, Look at players like Cousins and AD. Great players but their supporting cast are terrible to decent. Unless you're a generational player like LBJ you won't get very far without a great supporting cast and there isn't a clear one(generational player) in this draft. I don't see why people can't appreciate a good pick if they're picking later than 7 or 8. Sooner or later you'll get that star and you'll want to surround that star with great players so why not do it before you get that star?


Or you could become the Atlanta Hawks.
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Re: RE: Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1813 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Sat Feb 4, 2017 8:09 pm

Heatle wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Hallstar wrote:
Spoiler:

To what end though? Drafting the next Steven Adams does not shift anything for us. Just another middling player that eventually needs to be paid.

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Think you're being a little shortsighted there. If we add another good PF to this roster then we get a better, deeper team. We'd also have more opportunities to make a decent trade. Also, Look at players like Cousins and AD. Great players but their supporting cast are terrible to decent. Unless you're a generational player like LBJ you won't get very far without a great supporting cast and there isn't a clear one(generational player) in this draft. I don't see why people can't appreciate a good pick if they're picking later than 7 or 8. Sooner or later you'll get that star and you'll want to surround that star with great players so why not do it before you get that star?


Or you could become the Atlanta Hawks.


Why would you want that?
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Re: RE: Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1814 » by cyclix » Sat Feb 4, 2017 8:42 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Spoiler:
Heatle wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Think you're being a little shortsighted there. If we add another good PF to this roster then we get a better, deeper team. We'd also have more opportunities to make a decent trade. Also, Look at players like Cousins and AD. Great players but their supporting cast are terrible to decent. Unless you're a generational player like LBJ you won't get very far without a great supporting cast and there isn't a clear one(generational player) in this draft. I don't see why people can't appreciate a good pick if they're picking later than 7 or 8. Sooner or later you'll get that star and you'll want to surround that star with great players so why not do it before you get that star?


Or you could become the Atlanta Hawks.

Why would you want that?

I'm guessing he is referring to the "treadmill" nature of the Hawks.
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1815 » by DayofMourning » Sat Feb 4, 2017 10:24 pm

Yes please.

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Post#1816 » by Bishop45 » Sat Feb 4, 2017 11:06 pm

Game is looking too easy for Swanny, looks like a senior already. Right choice to stay n extra year
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Post#1817 » by RJM » Sun Feb 5, 2017 12:19 am

DayofMourning wrote:Yes please.



Surprisingly enough, he's #44 on DX's mock draft list. He'll rocket up the list leading up to draft night.
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Post#1818 » by DayofMourning » Sun Feb 5, 2017 12:37 am

RJM wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:Yes please.



Surprisingly enough, he's #44 on DX's mock draft list. He'll rocket up the list leading up to draft night.


Bishop and I were talking about him earlier, and where we would be comfortable drafting him. I'm comfortable in the 15-20 range.

I also liked a similar type of player, Yabusele, a lot last year (though I like CS more due to a variety of factors) and he was drafted 16th (I believe).
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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1819 » by Heat3 » Sun Feb 5, 2017 3:10 am

I knew this was a bad omen....

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Re: Official 2017 Draft Thread - Something Positive To Look Forward To 

Post#1820 » by UD4MVP » Sun Feb 5, 2017 3:10 am

If we get the 8th seed and get the 15th pick, maybe people pass on nutella or bridges.. I think Rabb will be there though
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