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2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 3

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Post#1841 » by Beenie » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:10 pm

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There been clashes between the Heat business management side and Butler. Butler expect and gets off-court privileges and business access or perks for him and his partners from the Heat organization but in return he doesn’t participate or rarely participate in any of the Heat off court business activities. He doesn’t want to be a spokesman for the organization like Marino was for the Dolphins or, Shaq and Wade was for the Heat. He wants that to continue and get paid as if he is a spokesman as he ages.


I understand your point but it still doesn’t answer the question I’m asking.

Draymond is implying that Jimmy is tired of the team and it’s been years in the making and I’m trying to get to the bottom of what specific aspect he is tired of.

If he’s already mostly not involved with the team’s non basketball business activities then how could he be tired of them?


let's say Butler is a supervisor of a department. There is two relationship he has, there is his department team and there is management team. Your department production is excellent and his personal sales numbers are excellent, best sales department in the company but the relationship and duties with management is horrible. That relationship with management team can make him or any person tired of working there. You skip a lot of management meetings or lunch ins or network events, or when you do you don't say much etc. Upper management hasn't forced you but they are constantly trying the get you to work with lower management. Your raise is coming and you know the issue with management is coming up. You don't want to improve your relationship with management, you want max raise solely on department performance. The CEO at a company meeting makes a statement about everyone needs to work together which you know is a known beef you are having. A lot of times that person will say f that I'm tired of it. Let me go elsewhere who will pay me solely for the dept production.

From Butler perspective he doesn't care for the management duties. Has no real interest in that side of the job. He feels the company needs him regardless because of the sales numbers. He feels they need to stop harassing him about anything outside the department.

Off the court responsibilities is a big part of nba players responsibilities. The inter workings and relationships of that is not talked about by the media. The media sticks with on court coverage unless something becomes public like a lawsuit or arrest etc. However, there are players who have been cut or traded because of this part of the job. Look at Boston former coach Udoka. Look how vague his incident was covered. Had nothing to do with on court production.


Fair but I dont suspect that's what Draymond was alluding to when he said that Jimmy has been tired of them for years.

I suspect it's more related to to team's inability to follow through on their stated mission to him of landing star level players to paly alongside him.
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Post#1842 » by greg4012 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:14 pm

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Or Just friging play Bam next Ware, who as a rookie is shooting 43% from 3.

Kid has legit talent, he won't be that good on higher volume but he'll be decent enough.

Seeing teams driving into our paint only to see him there and backing out is a sight for sore eyes.


The issue is that we won't have a backup center when Ware sits, which means more defensive minutes for KLove. We've managed to address the non-Bam defensive challenges with Ware coming off the bench. I hope Spo continues with the effective Ware-Jovic bench combo that's been working well.


There's no scenario where Bam isn't logging rotation minutes at center.
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Post#1843 » by greg4012 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:17 pm

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So you’re saying Butler is tired of having to say no to the team asking him to take part in non basketball activities?

The way you framed your answer was more from the team’s perspective

My question is what exactly is being implied Jimmy is tired of? The team’s ways? Or the team’s failure to add a star? Or the teams non basketball stuff that he’s already not doing?


There been clashes between the Heat business management side and Butler. Butler expect and gets off-court privileges and business access or perks for him and his partners from the Heat organization but in return he doesn’t participate or rarely participate in any of the Heat off court business activities. He doesn’t want to be a spokesman for the organization like Marino was for the Dolphins or, Shaq and Wade was for the Heat. He wants that to continue and get paid as if he is a spokesman as he ages.


I understand your point but it still doesn’t answer the question I’m asking.

Draymond is implying that Jimmy is tired of the team and it’s been years in the making and I’m trying to get to the bottom of what specific aspect he is tired of.

If he’s already mostly not involved with the team’s non basketball business activities then how could he be tired of them?


Because he doesn't have the max extension he wants on demand. In all prior time periods, he did.
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Post#1844 » by Bmaster » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:19 pm

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Or Just friging play Bam next Ware, who as a rookie is shooting 43% from 3.

Kid has legit talent, he won't be that good on higher volume but he'll be decent enough.

Seeing teams driving into our paint only to see him there and backing out is a sight for sore eyes.


The issue is that we won't have a backup center when Ware sits, which means more defensive minutes for KLove. We've managed to address the non-Bam defensive challenges with Ware coming off the bench. I hope Spo continues with the effective Ware-Jovic bench combo that's been working well.


Bring up Malik Williams from sky Force to play backup center. Heat need to at least try ware with bam.
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Post#1845 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:28 pm

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Post#1846 » by Bmaster » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:33 pm

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Post#1847 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:36 pm

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Do deal for Beal.

No. We should have just given Jimmy his extra year. We can’t even trade Beal when he’s expiring.
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Post#1848 » by SA37 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:38 pm

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We might legit have at least 1 championship if not for injuries to Jimmy, Bam, Dragic, Dipo, and Herro in key moments. I wish Dipo worked out and was Indy Dipo :cry:


Dipo is the player that everyone forgets. Dipo would of been that perfect co-star if he could have gotten healthy. Dipo was the equavalent risks to Boston getting Porzingis. Dipo legs giving up destroyed the Heats trade chips and course. If Dipo does not get hurt than you still have Dragic, Iggy and Precious.


I'll never forget Dipo one of my all-time favorite Heat players despite barely any games played for us haha. I rooted for him soo hard.



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Post#1849 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:38 pm

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Post#1850 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:42 pm

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Do deal for Beal.

No. We should have just given Jimmy his extra year. We can even trade Beal when he’s expiring.

I agree, we should have.

But we didn't, and Jimmy **** up.

I wonder if getttig Beal + 2031 suns pick + 2 or 3 Suns second round picks + Ryan Dunn + Tyus Jones is such a bad deal for us?

Sure Beal is WAY overpaid, but Ryan Dunn can defend, Tyus is a real PG.

We won't have cap space anyway next year, and the yea after that Beal would be an expiring we can trade with assets for a real star
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Post#1852 » by BBallFreak » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:47 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
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Do deal for Beal.

No. We should have just given Jimmy his extra year. We can even trade Beal when he’s expiring.

I agree, we should have.

But we didn't, and Jimmy **** up.

I wonder if getttig Beal + 2031 suns pick + 2 or 3 Suns second round picks + Ryan Dunn + Tyus Jones is such a bad deal for us?

Sure Beal is WAY overpaid, but Ryan Dunn can defend, Tyus is a real PG.

We won't have cap space anyway next year, and the yea after that Beal would be an expiring we can trade with assets for a real star

Beal has a no trade clause and they can't aggregate salary
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Post#1853 » by Lennyzinho » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:51 pm

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Or Just friging play Bam next Ware, who as a rookie is shooting 43% from 3.

Kid has legit talent, he won't be that good on higher volume but he'll be decent enough.

Seeing teams driving into our paint only to see him there and backing out is a sight for sore eyes.


The issue is that we won't have a backup center when Ware sits, which means more defensive minutes for KLove. We've managed to address the non-Bam defensive challenges with Ware coming off the bench. I hope Spo continues with the effective Ware-Jovic bench combo that's been working well.


There's no scenario where Bam isn't logging rotation minutes at center.


Agreed. Let's just be happy Ware is getting consistent minutes as a rookie and that it's an upward trend. Ware is bam's backup. With time we can hope that maybe Ware comes in for 2-3 mins with bam before bam rests.

I think what we all hope for is a Mobley Allen type scenario with Bam Ware. They start together. One comes out (for Jovic let's say) and the other plays C. Then the other comes back and the other rests. Jovic stays in. Then they finish the half together same way they started.

This way bam Ware jovic are taking up all the PF C minutes.
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Post#1854 » by al bondiga » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:52 pm

We all can see that the three rotation big guys spo wants are bam, ware and jovic... BUT
I think we should have others for replacement... So why not trade for OLD big guys?
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Post#1855 » by HeatIn5 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:52 pm

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We have zero reason to trade him to the suns, a team that literally cannot sign him if he hits FA.

The suns only option is to either

A. Send us KD or Booker (which they’re not doing)
B. Find us a good enough deal from a 3rd party
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Post#1856 » by BBallFreak » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:55 pm

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We have zero reason to trade him to the suns, a team that literally cannot sign him if he hits FA.

The suns only option is to either

A. Send us KD or Booker (which they’re not doing)
B. Find us a good enough deal from a 3rd party

Yup, and it's not our job to help the Sun's trade Beal. As far as Jimmy goes, we can tell him that he's not getting traded to the Suns and better consider another team. Otherwise he can play off the bench, ten minutes a night, joylessly. He wants to make our lives miserable? Well screw with him. Who's going to extend him when he's averaging 3.2 ppg playing 10 minutes a night?

Screw him
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Post#1857 » by greg4012 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:56 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
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Do deal for Beal.

No. We should have just given Jimmy his extra year. We can’t even trade Beal when he’s expiring.

I agree, we should have.

But we didn't, and Jimmy **** up.

I wonder if getttig Beal + 2031 suns pick + 2 or 3 Suns second round picks + Ryan Dunn + Tyus Jones is such a bad deal for us?

Sure Beal is WAY overpaid, but Ryan Dunn can defend, Tyus is a real PG.

We won't have cap space anyway next year, and the yea after that Beal would be an expiring we can trade with assets for a real star


Damn y'all are real quick to jump to that bc of some discomfort. I agree that Miami should have seen this coming and traded Jimmy this offseason.

In terms of giving in on a max extension--how many players in the history of the NBA have been worth a max contract in their age 37 season? You all think Jimmy would be playing more or less games in his age 37 season than he has been?
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Post#1858 » by greg4012 » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:57 pm

al bondiga wrote:We all can see that the three rotation big guys spo wants are bam, ware and jovic... BUT
I think we should have others for replacement... So why not trade for OLD big guys?


Dewayne Dedmon?
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Post#1859 » by Enso » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:57 pm

Gonna be interesting once Jimmy has to talk to the media and explaining his stupidity
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Post#1860 » by MettaWorldPanda » Thu Jan 9, 2025 2:59 pm

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