2025 Offseason Thread Vol.4

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I essentially added a couple of consistent rumors together to get a feel for what this collective mind wants in terms of roster construction.

Personally, I’d rather the current collection of Kasparas, Herro, Jovic, Bam, Ware, and Mitchell get all the run they need to figure out what they are, both individually and as a collective.

I think it’d be fair to say that we all know who Bam, Herro and Mitchell are and can be, but I don’t know that we can honestly say that about Jovic and Ware. And we sure as hell can’t say that we know what Kasparas will be.

As of now, I’d like to see Jovic as a SF with Bam/Ware, as well as playing as the PF with Ware OR Bam. I’m not saying it will work, I’m saying that we don’t know if it will or won’t.

Any idea of getting a superstar, or star, or proven scorer/playmaker this season doesn’t make logical sense to me. So if you believe the ship is not seaworthy, then I’d surmise that the best course of action is to allow that ship to sink, so that you may build anew.

Cap looks to be in excellent condition going forward, as of this writing. That, along with the pick situation getting significantly better soon, leads to a prime opportunity to build a new foundation.

Doesn’t it make sense to find out if any of the men I’ve mentioned fit as foundational pieces?

I would add Jaime and Pelle to the list of players we don't really know who they are yet. Watching what Indiana did this year, and I see no reason why JJJ and Pelle can't perform the way some of the Pacers guys did. I'm willing to believe last year was just a down year for Jaime, while with Pelle he showed brief flashes that he might be able to do a little more than just spot up, some of his drives were impressive, as was his finishing ability at times.

I'm normally someone who thinks people go overboard with the "play the young guys" stuff, as if you can salvage anyone by just force feeding minutes, but this roster really does have a number of unknowns who deserve to become known this year, assuming the roster is close to what it is now on opening day.

[batterybro42]

Would be incredibly funny if all the sudden Rozier reverts back to form and becomes a productive player during a contract year.

Last year was one of the strangest things I’ve ever seen it was like the monstars showed up and stole his ability to hoop, had him out there looking like Muggsy Bogues in space jam.

[gom]

I essentially added a couple of consistent rumors together to get a feel for what this collective mind wants in terms of roster construction.

Personally, I’d rather the current collection of Kasparas, Herro, Jovic, Bam, Ware, and Mitchell get all the run they need to figure out what they are, both individually and as a collective.

I think it’d be fair to say that we all know who Bam, Herro and Mitchell are and can be, but I don’t know that we can honestly say that about Jovic and Ware. And we sure as hell can’t say that we know what Kasparas will be.

As of now, I’d like to see Jovic as a SF with Bam/Ware, as well as playing as the PF with Ware OR Bam. I’m not saying it will work, I’m saying that we don’t know if it will or won’t.

Any idea of getting a superstar, or star, or proven scorer/playmaker this season doesn’t make logical sense to me. So if you believe the ship is not seaworthy, then I’d surmise that the best course of action is to allow that ship to sink, so that you may build anew.

Cap looks to be in excellent condition going forward, as of this writing. That, along with the pick situation getting significantly better soon, leads to a prime opportunity to build a new foundation.

Doesn’t it make sense to find out if any of the men I’ve mentioned fit as foundational pieces?

It looks like this is our current roster:

We have 15 players under contract:

Code: Select all

2. Very Scary Terry
5. Jović
7. Kel'el Ware
9. Pelle Larsson
11. Jaime Jaquez Jr.
13. Bam Adebayo
14. Tyler Herro
16. Keshad Johnson
20. Kyle Anderson
22. Andrew Wiggins
24. Haywood Highsmith
25. Kasparas Jakucionis
42. Kevin Love
45. Davion Mitchell
??. Simone Fontecchio

2-way:

12. Dru Smith
??. Vladislav Goldin

We can add another 2-way player.

--
We have these free agent rights:

4. Isiah Stephens (RFA)
18. Alec Burks (UFA)
Josh Christopher (prev on 2-way) (not sure)



1. I am happy we are out of the luxury tax.
2. We own our 2026 pick.
3. We won't likely tank because of Spo.
4. There are several decent prospects in the summer league for the last 2-way spot.

Let's see how summer league goes.

Right now the lineup I would start is:

Mitchell, Herro, Wiggins, Bam, Ware.

I would be careful giving Kasparas minute early on. Let him learn the system and develop his shot. He is not really a very good perimeter shooter, but the tendency is for a high-level FT shooter to develop into a better shooter, so that's a plus.

I do believe that Jaquez, Larsson, and Jović are ready for larger roles though. Also, Goldin could become a good player for us at backup center (behind Ware).

Love is essentially in Haslem's role. Kyle Anderson is a forward who can pass. He will get minutes too. It may be sometimes hard to watch.

Terry Rozier is an anchor but an expiring is useful at the deadline.
Wiggins will play better this season for us than last season when he was injured.

We're probably not going to get a lottery pick. First or second round exit if we are lucky.

[He2Fast]

I essentially added a couple of consistent rumors together to get a feel for what this collective mind wants in terms of roster construction.

Personally, I’d rather the current collection of Kasparas, Herro, Jovic, Bam, Ware, and Mitchell get all the run they need to figure out what they are, both individually and as a collective.

I think it’d be fair to say that we all know who Bam, Herro and Mitchell are and can be, but I don’t know that we can honestly say that about Jovic and Ware. And we sure as hell can’t say that we know what Kasparas will be.

As of now, I’d like to see Jovic as a SF with Bam/Ware, as well as playing as the PF with Ware OR Bam. I’m not saying it will work, I’m saying that we don’t know if it will or won’t.

Any idea of getting a superstar, or star, or proven scorer/playmaker this season doesn’t make logical sense to me. So if you believe the ship is not seaworthy, then I’d surmise that the best course of action is to allow that ship to sink, so that you may build anew.

Cap looks to be in excellent condition going forward, as of this writing. That, along with the pick situation getting significantly better soon, leads to a prime opportunity to build a new foundation.

Doesn’t it make sense to find out if any of the men I’ve mentioned fit as foundational pieces?

I would add Jaime and Pelle to the list of players we don't really know who they are yet. Watching what Indiana did this year, and I see no reason why JJJ and Pelle can't perform the way some of the Pacers guys did. I'm willing to believe last year was just a down year for Jaime, while with Pelle he showed brief flashes that he might be able to do a little more than just spot up, some of his drives were impressive, as was his finishing ability at times.

I'm normally someone who thinks people go overboard with the "play the young guys" stuff, as if you can salvage anyone by just force feeding minutes, but this roster really does have a number of unknowns who deserve to become known this year, assuming the roster is close to what it is now on opening day.

That makes sense to me. We need to find out who these guys are, individually and as a collective.

I’d agree that, ideally, you don’t want to force feed minutes, though that’s a thin line. How else will we know? I think it’s a combination of minutes and the correct role.

Can we agree that Jovic and say, Kasparas need a good deal of on ball reps? That JJJ desperately needs to figure out that three point line?

[gom]

I just noticed that our streak of six seasons in the playoffs ties our previous franchise record.

[batterybro42]

I just noticed that our streak of six seasons in the playoffs ties our previous franchise record.

The year we went on that insane run to end the year with a bunch of misfits and barely missed the playoffs 2016-2017

That’s a top 5 Heat Season of basketball for me all time

I adored that team and everything it stood for. When they talk about Heat culture that was it. Which is crazy because if you didn’t experience it if you didn’t see swaggy Neon Deon nailing game winners on a nightly basis you will never understand what that year was or who Okaro White is

After LeBron left, Wade went to Chicago, and Bosh got blood clots we didn’t have anything just a group of guys who for the most part were never successful before Miami, and were never successful anywhere after came together to deliver one of the most fun runs in franchise history almost in spite of the circumstances.

Had me 1000% bought into the idea that what Miami hoops was, meant more than just players. It was a culture and Coach Spo

Would make a pretty solid movie if they ever made it

[He2Fast]

I essentially added a couple of consistent rumors together to get a feel for what this collective mind wants in terms of roster construction.

Personally, I’d rather the current collection of Kasparas, Herro, Jovic, Bam, Ware, and Mitchell get all the run they need to figure out what they are, both individually and as a collective.

I think it’d be fair to say that we all know who Bam, Herro and Mitchell are and can be, but I don’t know that we can honestly say that about Jovic and Ware. And we sure as hell can’t say that we know what Kasparas will be.

As of now, I’d like to see Jovic as a SF with Bam/Ware, as well as playing as the PF with Ware OR Bam. I’m not saying it will work, I’m saying that we don’t know if it will or won’t.

Any idea of getting a superstar, or star, or proven scorer/playmaker this season doesn’t make logical sense to me. So if you believe the ship is not seaworthy, then I’d surmise that the best course of action is to allow that ship to sink, so that you may build anew.

Cap looks to be in excellent condition going forward, as of this writing. That, along with the pick situation getting significantly better soon, leads to a prime opportunity to build a new foundation.

Doesn’t it make sense to find out if any of the men I’ve mentioned fit as foundational pieces?

It looks like this is our current roster:

We have 15 players under contract:

Code: Select all

2. Very Scary Terry
5. Jović
7. Kel'el Ware
9. Pelle Larsson
11. Jaime Jaquez Jr.
13. Bam Adebayo
14. Tyler Herro
16. Keshad Johnson
20. Kyle Anderson
22. Andrew Wiggins
24. Haywood Highsmith
25. Kasparas Jakucionis
42. Kevin Love
45. Davion Mitchell
??. Simone Fontecchio

2-way:

12. Dru Smith
??. Vladislav Goldin

We can add another 2-way player.

--
We have these free agent rights:

4. Isiah Stephens (RFA)
18. Alec Burks (UFA)
Josh Christopher (prev on 2-way) (not sure)



1. I am happy we are out of the luxury tax.
2. We own our 2026 pick.
3. We won't likely tank because of Spo.
4. There are several decent prospects in the summer league for the last 2-way spot.

Let's see how summer league goes.

Right now the lineup I would start is:

Mitchell, Herro, Wiggins, Bam, Ware.

I would be careful giving Kasparas minute early on. Let him learn the system and develop his shot. He is not really a very good perimeter shooter, but the tendency is for a high-level FT shooter to develop into a better shooter, so that's a plus.

I do believe that Jaquez, Larsson, and Jović are ready for larger roles though. Also, Goldin could become a good player for us at backup center (behind Ware).

Love is essentially in Haslem's role. Kyle Anderson is a forward who can pass. He will get minutes too. It may be sometimes hard to watch.

Terry Rozier is an anchor but an expiring is useful at the deadline.
Wiggins will play better this season for us than last season when he was injured.

We're probably not going to get a lottery pick. First or second round exit if we are lucky.

I think that’s a fair summary. Spo brings the rookies along slowly, so I’m sure Spo will play Kasparas when it’s evident Kasparas is ready.

Jaquez, Larsson and Jovic are ready, yes, and we need them to show what they are capable of. On ball reps for Jovic in particular is something I’d like to see. Would love see Jaquez figure out that 3 point line as well.

I’m unsure about Wiggins. The death of a parent is rarely easy. It’s catastrophic for many. Put that on top of his injuries last season, and it’s no surprise he struggled. As a human, I’m rooting for him to figure it out, though I don’t see a long term fit on the Heat, and I think that he gets in the way of Jaquez, Larsson, and even Jovic.

[gom]

I just noticed that our streak of six seasons in the playoffs ties our previous franchise record.

The only year we missed was that one year we went on that insane run to end the year with a bunch of misfits and barely missed the playoffs

That’s a top 5 Heat Season of basketball for me all time

I adored that team and everything it stood for. When they talk about Heat culture that was it. Which is crazy because if you didn’t experience it if you didn’t see swaggy Neon Deon nailing game winners on a nightly basis you will never understand what that year was or who Okaro White is

Yes, 11-30 and 30-11. I still have Iggy's image in my sig.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Damn...I have no recollection of that 2017-2018 Heat playoff team. First round loss to the Sixers? I must've totally burned that from my memory.

[ZoStrong]

Would be incredibly funny if all the sudden Rozier reverts back to form and becomes a productive player during a contract year.

Last year was one of the strangest things I’ve ever seen it was like the monstars showed up and stole his ability to hoop, had him out there looking like Muggsy Bogues in space jam.

Whatever happened to his neck, that could be a permanent damage. Or, maybe like an acl tear, it might heal 100% after a full year, meaning he's the Charlotte version again next year, lol

[Crazy-Canuck]

I prefer Wiggins to stay in Miami.
I don't want him to Lakers even if he has a chance for a title there.

Miami is a situation where he will need to step up and take responsibilities.
19ppg is not enough for him and noone will be happy with him in Miami scoring only 19ppg.

I think this is exactly the situation that he needs.
A situation where the team demands from him more.

Give him a chance until the trade deadline.
20 games the last year were very few to judge a player.

Trade him in trade deadline if the team goes nowhere.
Evaluate him fairly first.
Give him some games to play healthy

That’s part of the issue though, we shouldn’t want more than 19PPG from Wiggins, if anything we need less. We’re not winning anything with this roster and we need as many reps as possibly going to Bam and Tyler as well as the young guys. Next season needs to be those 2 flirting with 20 shots a night while everyone else falls in line while getting solid reps. At this point he’s just stealing shot attempts and usage we don’t need going to a 30+ year old that has never been an efficient scorer. Not a knock on him, just not what we need and we need to accumulate assets for the next superstar who asks out, he might be able to help us get some.

The scoring is not the issue with Wiggins. Its the passing. He hasnt passed well out of double teams. Just maybe its the lack of comfort with the plays and teammates but a lot of times I think its inexcusable for a player his age. However, he should be ending plays moreso instead of setting them up where more doubles are likely to be seen.

Someone pull up Wiggins off ball and on ball scoring stats please

Iso scoring (just this past season).

Wiggins 1.1 possessions per game 0.96 points per possession 45.9 efg%

Herro 1.3 possession per game 0.87 ptspp 43.9 efg%
Kuminga 1.2 possessions per game 0.66 ptspp 33.3% efg

Jimmy 1.8 possessions per game 1.00 ptspp 47.1% efg

Will need to dig deeper on the off ball stuff, but this on-ball/iso was more readily available.

[ZoStrong]

I just noticed that our streak of six seasons in the playoffs ties our previous franchise record.

The year we went on that insane run to end the year with a bunch of misfits and barely missed the playoffs 2016-2017

That’s a top 5 Heat Season of basketball for me all time

I adored that team and everything it stood for. When they talk about Heat culture that was it. Which is crazy because if you didn’t experience it if you didn’t see swaggy Neon Deon nailing game winners on a nightly basis you will never understand what that year was or who Okaro White is

After LeBron left, Wade went to Chicago, and Bosh got blood clots we didn’t have anything just a group of guys who for the most part were never successful before Miami, and were never successful anywhere after came together to deliver one of the most fun runs in franchise history almost in spite of the circumstances.

Had me 1000% bought into the idea that what Miami hoops was, meant more than just players. It was a culture and Coach Spo

Would make a pretty solid movie if they ever made it

I did enjoy that season. Although I was afraid if we pay them, they'll turn back to pumpkins again, lol.

Sounds more like a "BASEketball" kind of sports comedy to me

[DayofMourning]

Watch on YouTube

[wade44]

I just noticed that our streak of six seasons in the playoffs ties our previous franchise record.

The year we went on that insane run to end the year with a bunch of misfits and barely missed the playoffs 2016-2017

That’s a top 5 Heat Season of basketball for me all time

I adored that team and everything it stood for. When they talk about Heat culture that was it. Which is crazy because if you didn’t experience it if you didn’t see swaggy Neon Deon nailing game winners on a nightly basis you will never understand what that year was or who Okaro White is

After LeBron left, Wade went to Chicago, and Bosh got blood clots we didn’t have anything just a group of guys who for the most part were never successful before Miami, and were never successful anywhere after came together to deliver one of the most fun runs in franchise history almost in spite of the circumstances.

Had me 1000% bought into the idea that what Miami hoops was, meant more than just players. It was a culture and Coach Spo

Would make a pretty solid movie if they ever made it

That team catches a lot of flak because of what they went on to do after which was all get overpaid. That said, it was a very enjoyable season a fun mix of veterans and great role players and who knows if we made the playoffs that year with our little 30–11 burst to finish

[DayofMourning]

That was another year that the karma from the bball gods graced us for competing and trying to win. We got the 14th pick in the following draft and selected Bam Adebayo. In a redraft he goes 3rd or 4th.

[carnageta]

Guess the players (2024/25 season stats):


Player A;
18/3/4 on 50/35/81 shooting splits (58% TS). ORTG/DRTG of 117/118

Player B;
18/5/3 on 45/37/76 shooting splits (57% TS). ORTG/DRTG of 113/113


Need a hint?

Spoiler:

Player A was traded for 5 first round picks 3 years ago.

Spoiler:

Player B is on the rumour mill and Heat fans want him traded for Dalton Knecht.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Read on Twitter

[Rapaz]

Read on Twitter

[carnageta]

We already have our Bradley Beal at home.

[lastb1ckman]

We already have our Bradley Beal at home.

Like actually tho. Younger, cheaper, and better at this point in their careers.