Miami Heat 2023 Off-Season Thread 1.0 - Give them Cancun!!!

[Shewasfly]

It makes just about zero sense to trade Herro for Kyrie.

Herro for Dame is one thing. Unlikely the Blazers accept without wanting Bam, but if we can pull it off great. Kyrie on the other hand, makes no sense. He's a net negative at this point and has repeatedly shown unwillingness to do the exact things that got us to the Finals this year. Spo might be able to whip him into shape sure, but its not a burden I'd care to put on him or the coaching staff.

A trade for Kyrie should be around picks and salary relief like Lowry/Dipo. They get picks instead of giving him up for nothing, Kyrie locks up a likely nauseating long term deal, and we upgrade without giving up any additional player assets. You can then maybe flip Herro for a real big man/low post presence to put next to Bam.

I can already tell this off season trade thread is going to be full of idiotic proposals by agenda driven 'fans' though.

Dallas already spent 2 good players and 3 draft assets to take a chance on Kyrie, they're not going to just move on from him now without getting a big return in a S&T, they just need to get the right types of players around Luka and Kyrie, a defensive wing would help them greatly... you know like the one they traded in DFS to get Kyrie. Dallas is doing the smart thing, they're going after the top tier talent even if they have warts.

Getting Lillard will be complicated, Portland already has Simons, Sharpe and some other younger players with talent, they should rebuild but who knows.

I'm curious to see if it actually plays out that way for Dallas. What you said makes sense, but if they didn't like what they saw from the experiment, they should move on despite the loss of assets. Its a sunk cost already. If Kyrie actually gets interest from other teams at the pay he wants, Dallas shouldn't see it as a necessity to match to keep him, just a necessity to get something good back. Unfortunately for them (and us), picks likely aren't going to cut it bc it will just infuriate Luka who wants to compete now. So they'll have to try to get a star back, which I can't see any team doing. They are really kind of stuck.

Agree with your take on Portland. They should rebuild and move on from Dame. They actually have assets to get a star next to him to try to compete though, and I can see them taking that route. They might go after Brown if the Celtics really start fielding offers for him.

[AirP.]

Just over a week before the draft so we should have a better understanding of Lillard's future in less than 2 weeks. Even if Miami doesn't trade their pick, they could pick for someone else and can trade their rights at any time, if they sign the player, they have to wait 30 days to trade them.

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It makes just about zero sense to trade Herro for Kyrie.

Herro for Dame is one thing. Unlikely the Blazers accept without wanting Bam, but if we can pull it off great. Kyrie on the other hand, makes no sense. He's a net negative at this point and has repeatedly shown unwillingness to do the exact things that got us to the Finals this year. Spo might be able to whip him into shape sure, but its not a burden I'd care to put on him or the coaching staff.

A trade for Kyrie should be around picks and salary relief like Lowry/Dipo. They get picks instead of giving him up for nothing, Kyrie locks up a likely nauseating long term deal, and we upgrade without giving up any additional player assets. You can then maybe flip Herro for a real big man/low post presence to put next to Bam.

I can already tell this off season trade thread is going to be full of idiotic proposals by agenda driven 'fans' though.

Spo can't whip Kyrie into shape because a player has to want to be coached. You stop a player from tuning you out or force them to tune in. That's why it's important to keep knuckleheads off the team in the first place. He's more trouble than he's worth.

[MettaWorldPanda]

In unpacking the Kyrie hypothetical some more, wouldn't a sign and trade hard cap Miami? How would that have to work to be viable in this scenario?

Heat would probably welcome being hard capped since they most likely don't want to go over the second apron. Same scenario happened with Lowry. Most of the players coming in would be minimal salaried vets looking to win a ring.

I get that, but isn't it a very narrow set of circumstances that would even allow Miami to be subject to the hard cap? Isn't the hard cap less than what Miami is currently committed to in salary for next season?

Aside from my not thinking that Kyrie will be available at the discount that many others seem to, this is the puzzle piece that I'm struggling to make sense of.

You get hard capped at the second apron. We are 4 million away from that apron but can free up 6 million if needed if they stretch Oladipo and trade more salary for less.

[ShulaDon92]

Just over a week before the draft so we should have a better understanding of Lillard's future in less than 2 weeks. Even if Miami doesn't trade their pick, they could pick for someone else and can trade their rights at any time, if they sign the player, they have to wait 30 days to trade them.

I hope Miami doesn't do what they did last offseason and waste it dreaming of whales and getting zero upgrades made in the summer. It dragged on all year and created a mess

-SHULA

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It makes just about zero sense to trade Herro for Kyrie.

Herro for Dame is one thing. Unlikely the Blazers accept without wanting Bam, but if we can pull it off great. Kyrie on the other hand, makes no sense. He's a net negative at this point and has repeatedly shown unwillingness to do the exact things that got us to the Finals this year. Spo might be able to whip him into shape sure, but its not a burden I'd care to put on him or the coaching staff.

A trade for Kyrie should be around picks and salary relief like Lowry/Dipo. They get picks instead of giving him up for nothing, Kyrie locks up a likely nauseating long term deal, and we upgrade without giving up any additional player assets. You can then maybe flip Herro for a real big man/low post presence to put next to Bam.

I can already tell this off season trade thread is going to be full of idiotic proposals by agenda driven 'fans' though.

Dallas already spent 2 good players and 3 draft assets to take a chance on Kyrie, they're not going to just move on from him now without getting a big return in a S&T, they just need to get the right types of players around Luka and Kyrie, a defensive wing would help them greatly... you know like the one they traded in DFS to get Kyrie. Dallas is doing the smart thing, they're going after the top tier talent even if they have warts.

Getting Lillard will be complicated, Portland already has Simons, Sharpe and some other younger players with talent, they should rebuild but who knows. It'll take a 3rd team willing to give up a bunch for either Herro or Simons to make this trade possible.

Although Lillard mentioned Miami and Brooklyn as destinations, he talked about specific players on those teams, I think that was more of letting the FO know which particular players he'd want them to go after in a trade... Bam or Bridges.

Take a problem child and give a big new contract? I bet that's going to turn out well.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Will Dame and Bam be playing together again for the world cup this summer? I hope so but I have a feeling Dame will sit out to figure his stuff out.

I have no clue the timing on when fiba stuff starts up

Is Bam playing? I kinda selfishly would prefer him to just be in the lab getting his game and body ready for next season. Team USA only uses Bam in a limited capacity anyways

I’d assume they’d reach out considering he was the starting center for their gold medal but I’m not sure.

I think he’ll be working hard on his game regardless and like him being around that elite talent and building those relationships but also wouldn’t mind him backing out

[Shewasfly]

It makes just about zero sense to trade Herro for Kyrie.

Herro for Dame is one thing. Unlikely the Blazers accept without wanting Bam, but if we can pull it off great. Kyrie on the other hand, makes no sense. He's a net negative at this point and has repeatedly shown unwillingness to do the exact things that got us to the Finals this year. Spo might be able to whip him into shape sure, but its not a burden I'd care to put on him or the coaching staff.

A trade for Kyrie should be around picks and salary relief like Lowry/Dipo. They get picks instead of giving him up for nothing, Kyrie locks up a likely nauseating long term deal, and we upgrade without giving up any additional player assets. You can then maybe flip Herro for a real big man/low post presence to put next to Bam.

I can already tell this off season trade thread is going to be full of idiotic proposals by agenda driven 'fans' though.

Spo can't whip Kyrie into shape because a player has to want to be coached. You stop a player from tuning you out or force them to tune in. That's why it's important to keep knuckleheads off the team in the first place. He's more trouble than he's worth.

I agree with you. I would only trade for Kyrie at minimal cost to us (if you consider giving up foreseeable draft capital and signing him to a long term, huge contract as minimal cost), but you have posters who want to move our best and most readily available trade asset away for him just because of a hate hard-on for him. Pure idiocy.

[greg4012]

Heat would probably welcome being hard capped since they most likely don't want to go over the second apron. Same scenario happened with Lowry. Most of the players coming in would be minimal salaried vets looking to win a ring.

I get that, but isn't it a very narrow set of circumstances that would even allow Miami to be subject to the hard cap? Isn't the hard cap less than what Miami is currently committed to in salary for next season?

Aside from my not thinking that Kyrie will be available at the discount that many others seem to, this is the puzzle piece that I'm struggling to make sense of.

You get hard capped at the second apron. We are 4 million away from that apron but can free up 6 million if needed if they stretch Oladipo and trade more salary for less.

I was of the understanding that you get hard capped at the luxury tax apron of $169M. That's what Spotrac reflects.

Link: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/#:~:text=NBA%20Team%20Salary%20Cap%20Tracker&text=If%20a%20team%20uses%20their,was%20below%20the%20cap%20maximum.

If a team uses their Bi-Annual, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level, or Sign-and-Trade they will be considered to be hard-capped and must keept below the Luxury Tax Apron ($169,000,000).

[AirP.]

I'm curious to see if it actually plays out that way for Dallas. What you said makes sense, but if they didn't like what they saw from the experiment, they should move on despite the loss of assets. Its a sunk cost already. If Kyrie actually gets interest from other teams at the pay he wants, Dallas shouldn't see it as a necessity to match to keep him, just a necessity to get something good back. Unfortunately for them (and us), picks likely aren't going to cut it bc it will just infuriate Luka who wants to compete now. So they'll have to try to get a star back, which I can't see any team doing. They are really kind of stuck.

Agree with your take on Portland. They should rebuild and move on from Dame. They actually have assets to get a star next to him to try to compete though, and I can see them taking that route. They might go after Brown if the Celtics really start fielding offers for him.

Luka is good with him so I'm pretty sure he stays in Dallas. They need to find some defensive players to compliment them which are easier to acquire than offensive players at this point in the NBA. You don't send that type of assets out for a player and then take 50 cents on the dollar for a return a few months later.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[HeatingUp3]

https://youtu.be/xgFiwxLgIuo


Important to watch this! He basically says its now or never for us to bring in another big contract star.
We can choose to bring back gabe and Strus. Maybe Gabe for like 8 a year. But we need a star like Dame.

[contract]

It makes just about zero sense to trade Herro for Kyrie.

Herro for Dame is one thing. Unlikely the Blazers accept without wanting Bam, but if we can pull it off great. Kyrie on the other hand, makes no sense. He's a net negative at this point and has repeatedly shown unwillingness to do the exact things that got us to the Finals this year. Spo might be able to whip him into shape sure, but its not a burden I'd care to put on him or the coaching staff.

A trade for Kyrie should be around picks and salary relief like Lowry/Dipo. They get picks instead of giving him up for nothing, Kyrie locks up a likely nauseating long term deal, and we upgrade without giving up any additional player assets. You can then maybe flip Herro for a real big man/low post presence to put next to Bam.

I can already tell this off season trade thread is going to be full of idiotic proposals by agenda driven 'fans' though.

Spo can't whip Kyrie into shape because a player has to want to be coached. You stop a player from tuning you out or force them to tune in. That's why it's important to keep knuckleheads off the team in the first place. He's more trouble than he's worth.

I agree with you. I would only trade for Kyrie at minimal cost to us (if you consider giving up foreseeable draft capital and a signing him to a long term huge contract as minimal cost), but you have posters who want to move our best and most readily available trade asset away for him just because of a hate hard-on for him. Pure idiocy.

I wouldn't bring him in at all. It's like introducing a cancer. We need more talent, but not talent that destroys the team from the inside.

[Shewasfly]

I'm curious to see if it actually plays out that way for Dallas. What you said makes sense, but if they didn't like what they saw from the experiment, they should move on despite the loss of assets. Its a sunk cost already. If Kyrie actually gets interest from other teams at the pay he wants, Dallas shouldn't see it as a necessity to match to keep him, just a necessity to get something good back. Unfortunately for them (and us), picks likely aren't going to cut it bc it will just infuriate Luka who wants to compete now. So they'll have to try to get a star back, which I can't see any team doing. They are really kind of stuck.

Agree with your take on Portland. They should rebuild and move on from Dame. They actually have assets to get a star next to him to try to compete though, and I can see them taking that route. They might go after Brown if the Celtics really start fielding offers for him.

Luka is good with him so I'm pretty sure he stays in Dallas. They need to find some defensive players to compliment them which are easier to acquire than offensive players at this point in the NBA. You don't send that type of assets out for a player and then take 50 cents on the dollar for a return a few months later.

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So we can probably scratch Kyrie off the list then. I wonder if Dallas goes after Dillon Brooks to fill that defensive role.

[Heat3]

Do not want Kyrie here.

Give me CP3 for cheap if he gets waived, give me Brook Lopez and give me Lillard.

So long Herro, Strus, and Lowry.

Vincent can stay if he's cheap.

[Shewasfly]

Spo can't whip Kyrie into shape because a player has to want to be coached. You stop a player from tuning you out or force them to tune in. That's why it's important to keep knuckleheads off the team in the first place. He's more trouble than he's worth.

I agree with you. I would only trade for Kyrie at minimal cost to us (if you consider giving up foreseeable draft capital and a signing him to a long term huge contract as minimal cost), but you have posters who want to move our best and most readily available trade asset away for him just because of a hate hard-on for him. Pure idiocy.

I wouldn't bring him in at all. It's like introducing a cancer. We need more talent, but not talent that destroys the team from the inside.

At least if we gave up minimal assets we could field a pretty explosive team offensively, that still had defensive balance.

Kyrie
Herro
Jimmy
Caleb, I guess? But I'd hope we can turn Duncan & Dipo expirings into a starting C (or PF if we still have to pretend Bam is a C)
Bam

Moot point though. Luka wants him around.

[contract]

https://youtu.be/xgFiwxLgIuo


Important to watch this! He basically says its now or never for us to bring in another big contract star.
We can choose to bring back gabe and Strus. Maybe Gabe for like 8 a year. But we need a star like Dame.

Everyone get your foes list ready, because if we give Gabe $8 million a year, I am going to lose my ****.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

I get that, but isn't it a very narrow set of circumstances that would even allow Miami to be subject to the hard cap? Isn't the hard cap less than what Miami is currently committed to in salary for next season?

Aside from my not thinking that Kyrie will be available at the discount that many others seem to, this is the puzzle piece that I'm struggling to make sense of.

You get hard capped at the second apron. We are 4 million away from that apron but can free up 6 million if needed if they stretch Oladipo and trade more salary for less.

I was of the understanding that you get hard capped at the luxury tax apron of $169M. That's what Spotrac reflects.

Link: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/#:~:text=NBA%20Team%20Salary%20Cap%20Tracker&text=If%20a%20team%20uses%20their,was%20below%20the%20cap%20maximum.

If a team uses their Bi-Annual, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level, or Sign-and-Trade they will be considered to be hard-capped and must keept below the Luxury Tax Apron ($169,000,000).

Greg after researching more in depth you are correct. They would need to shave 8 million which is a little less then Dipo’s salary and then be hard capped to the first apron. Slippery slope indeed that involves needing to dump some salary

[Heat3]

https://youtu.be/xgFiwxLgIuo


Important to watch this! He basically says its now or never for us to bring in another big contract star.
We can choose to bring back gabe and Strus. Maybe Gabe for like 8 a year. But we need a star like Dame.

Everyone get your foes list ready, because if we give Gabe $8 million a year, I am going to lose my ****.

$8M/yr is not so bad in today's NBA imo. The cap is supposedly going to be near $134M.