Offseason thread vol 9 - RUN IT BYK

[Flash4thewin]

Oh they could have and you could argue our picks have more value than the Cavs. Send a 2nd to unlock the OKC pick and there’s 3. Send Strus or Gabe/yurt to a contender for a 1st and there’s 4 picks. Send out the swaps. Herro > Sexton coming off a full season missed due to injury. Send Jovic.

Lowry/Schroder/Vet
Mitchell/Dipo/Vet
Jimmy/Strus/Highsmith
Martin/Vet/Days
Bam/Dedmon/Vet

Give me that any day of the week and I’ll live with whatever the results may be. That’s just the price of acquiring a young star on a long term contract.

Wishful thinking but no, those options dried out all Miami had available to them was 2 picks plus sending assets to OKC to unlock the third pick that is all. Early in Free agency they had a 4 team trade line up that allowed an additional pick in return, once teams started to settle in that was no longer on the table for Miami. Miami did not have anything anything outside of including Bam or Jimmy to one up Cleveland. Also OKC didn't want a 2nd to unlock the 1st rounder they wanted Yurt. They new exactly what we were hunting for.

I’m just not buying this but at this point it doesn’t matter. I’ll die alone on the hill that out of 29 other teams you could’ve found 1, especially a contender, who would’ve sent a 1st round pick for an elite shooter and the most efficient shooter in the league last year based on PPP in Strus. Especially when you consider he’s so cheap that a player wouldn’t be needed to complete the deal.

I think you are confusing a first round pick with an un-protected first round draft pick. No team would ever give an unprotected draft pick for him, maybe near the trading deadline if that team is #1, but even then its a hard sell since its an unprotected first round pick.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Wishful thinking but no, those options dried out all Miami had available to them was 2 picks plus sending assets to OKC to unlock the third pick that is all. Early in Free agency they had a 4 team trade line up that allowed an additional pick in return, once teams started to settle in that was no longer on the table for Miami. Miami did not have anything anything outside of including Bam or Jimmy to one up Cleveland. Also OKC didn't want a 2nd to unlock the 1st rounder they wanted Yurt. They new exactly what we were hunting for.

I’m just not buying this but at this point it doesn’t matter. I’ll die alone on the hill that out of 29 other teams you could’ve found 1, especially a contender, who would’ve sent a 1st round pick for an elite shooter and the most efficient shooter in the league last year based on PPP in Strus. Especially when you consider he’s so cheap that a player wouldn’t be needed to complete the deal.

I think you are confusing a first round pick with an un-protected first round draft pick. No team would ever give an unprotected draft pick for him, maybe near the trading deadline if that team is #1, but even then its a hard sell since its an unprotected first round pick.

Maybe so, maybe not. Either way 3 unprotected 1st and 1 protected >>>> 3 unprotected 1sts. We can go into detail on why our picks may actually be more valuable than the cleveland picks too if needed.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Starting to look more and more like a CJ Mccollum route for Herro. Maybe good enough to be an all star one day but won’t be because the guard position is too deep. This doesn’t factor in the apparent expansion teams that will be announced in Seattle and Vegas that will surely bump a team from the West over to the East. Pelicans (CJ)? Memphis (Ja)? Wolves (Edwards)? Dallas (Luka)?

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Starting to look more and more like a CJ Mccollum route for Herro. Maybe good enough to be an all star one day but won’t be because the guard position is too deep. This doesn’t factor in the apparent expansion teams that will be announced in Seattle and Vegas that will surely bump a team from the West over to the East. Pelicans (CJ)? Memphis (Ja)? Wolves (Edwards)? Dallas (Luka)?

Likely New Orleans or Memphis. Dallas wouldn't make any sense at all.

[Hallstar]

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So Herro is basically behind KD and Seth as far as difficult shot making off ball. Jimmy needs to improve his offball game, especially as he gets older

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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So Herro is basically behind KD and Seth as far as difficult shot making off ball. Jimmy needs to improve his offball game, especially as he gets older

I wonder how that would look with Jimmy during the playoffs. I’m starting to get the feeling with Jimmy he just does what Wade and LeBron would do during the regular season and coasts. He has spurts where he’s super locked in, like to start the season last year but then I feel when the team gets in a good spot and feels comfortable he chills out.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Starting to look more and more like a CJ Mccollum route for Herro. Maybe good enough to be an all star one day but won’t be because the guard position is too deep. This doesn’t factor in the apparent expansion teams that will be announced in Seattle and Vegas that will surely bump a team from the West over to the East. Pelicans (CJ)? Memphis (Ja)? Wolves (Edwards)? Dallas (Luka)?

Likely New Orleans or Memphis. Dallas wouldn't make any sense at all.

2 very solid up and coming teams, would make the East that much tougher while the West adds 2 dumpster fire teams

[Voltron914]

Time to roll with what we have and wait for the trade deadline and grab someone then once we have assessed the different lineups and any injury concerns with the team. The East will be tough, lets not jump the gun and get too antsy just to make a move that could cripple the team for a long time. Riley does his best work at the deadline.

Im with you on this. The beginning of last season i never thought we would be a #1 seed and in a game 7 of the ECF. The group of guys that we committed to right away are already working on what they need to for the season and hopefully we have a Bam led offense that will unlock a new dynamic for us. Enough time to evaluate what we have before the trade deadline

[Daffy]

The team still has to deal with Herro's extension and Strus as well so I don't see any moves being made. The easiest move available was to pay Oladipo, Dedmon & Martin to stay.

Either that or trade some of these guys with new contracts due soon and assets for a star to win a championship next to Jimmy Dedmon Dipo Martin Lowry and Bam

Who do we go after? I asked myself this very question but looking around the NBA landscape this offseason this is what I seeing.

Top 3 Unrestricted Free Agents that moved to new teams:
1. Jalon Brunson - New York Knicks - 4 Years/104M dollars, leaving Dallas. (player chose the New York Knicks, Miami did not have the Cap space to sign).
2. PJ Tucker - Philadelphia 76rs - 3 Years/33M dollars, Leaving Miami. (was not resigned or else we would operate over the cap an limit the rest of our players signing).
3. John Wall - Los Angeles Clippers - 2 Years/13M dollars, Leaving Rockets via buyout. (Player chose the LA Clippers, no regards were placed for Miami).

Top 3 Restricted Free Agents that moved to new teams:
1. None. ( Deandre Ayton matched immediately, Miami lacked Cap space/ability to put an offer sheet in place regardless).

Top 5 Disgruntled Stars/Players possibly available known around league wanting out:
1. Kevin Durant - Brooklyn Nets - Stayed/reconciled with Owner. (Miami lacked Assets & Players to meet team demand)
2. Donovan Mitchel - Utah Jazz - Traded to Cleveland Cavaliers. (Miami lacked Assets & Players to meet team demand)
3. Kyrie Irvin - Brooklyn Nets - Stayed/reconciled with Owner. (Miami was not interested, Executives do not want headache)
4. Russel Westbrook - Los Angeles Lakers. (Miami is not interested, Bad contract to take on, hurts team not improve)
5. Patrick Beverly - Minnesota Timberwolves - Traded to Los Angeles Lakers. (Miami was not interested, No matching salaries available even if presenting with opportunity sitting at 13M in salary).

Current Assets available to use in Trade for a PF or Player of need:
1. Combination of - Duncan & FRP's - PF/Player of need at or around $18M-20M in Salary (Miami will not lose an FRP to trade Duncan, Additionally very little interest around the league for a 3pt shooter who cant do much else and is a liability on defense).
2. Combination of - Duncan & Herro - PF/Player of need at around $22M-24M in Salary (Miami will only include Herro for a premier level player as he holds more Value to Miami than to other teams, currently middling in value outside of Miami due to many unknowns & upcoming large extension).
3. Players available to be thrown as assets currently:
A. Yurt(decent sweetener, can be attached if needed)
B. Struss(very good sweetener, Duncan's replacement if traded so won't be combined with Duncan in any one trade).

As of right now based on everything I am hearing its far more likely we run this back than make a trade anytime soon.
1. The only team still calling around the league based on my source is Utah who is on a fire sale with the rest of their remaining Assets, but are asking for Picks/young players attached to any one trade and or Expiring deals lastly.

There is literally nothing out there right now for us enticing us to let anything go out.

I thought you said there were other trades lined up for us? Smaller trades.

[Hallstar]

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So Herro is basically behind KD and Seth as far as difficult shot making off ball. Jimmy needs to improve his offball game, especially as he gets older

I wonder how that would look with Jimmy during the playoffs. I’m starting to get the feeling with Jimmy he just does what Wade and LeBron would do during the regular season and coasts. He has spurts where he’s super locked in, like to start the season last year but then I feel when the team gets in a good spot and feels comfortable he chills out.

He does coast at points during the regular season. It's cool once the team can maintain homecourt. It's easier to have the first round to ramp up if you're at home

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So Herro is basically behind KD and Seth as far as difficult shot making off ball. Jimmy needs to improve his offball game, especially as he gets older

Wait who's that on the bottom right?

[wadenation305]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268558/Eight-Teams-Control-85-First-Round-Picks-Over-Next-Seven-Years

Yea ladies and gentlemen, trades are not in our future for at least the next 7 years. Every team will have mountains of picks more than us. And I think this trend will only get worse. Free Agency or bust.

[wadenation305]

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IDK how legit this Video is, But I like what I see from Jimmy from 3

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Wait we’re back at practice already?

[AirP.]

Wait we’re back at practice already?

Not sure they started practicing yet but there's only 4 weeks until the October 4th preseason game vs Minnesota.

Bam and someone at the 4 vs Gobert and Towns, we'll get to see how size will work against Miami early on.

[IceColdCubano]

Wait we’re back at practice already?

Not sure they started practicing yet but there's only 4 weeks until the October 4th preseason game vs Minnesota.

That video doesn't look legit, its a bunch of splices of different videos from the last 2 years.

[Timantha]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/268558/Eight-Teams-Control-85-First-Round-Picks-Over-Next-Seven-Years

Yea ladies and gentlemen, trades are not in our future for at least the next 7 years. Every team will have mountains of picks more than us. And I think this trend will only get worse. Free Agency or bust.

Nah you never know. We might eventually have to trade Jimmy next year if we feel like we're capped out and can't win a championship with the current core. We'll get a nice amount of picks and swaps from teams for sure (PHX, Memphis, Blazers, Warriors, Raptors, Knicks, etc). Or Miami could just package Bam and Herro together for a young top 5 player like Embiid or Luka if those two randomly ask out (nba is so unpredictable when it comes to trade requests)

[AirP.]

Wait we’re back at practice already?

Not sure they started practicing yet but there's only 4 weeks until the October 4th preseason game vs Minnesota.

That video doesn't look legit, its a bunch of splices of different videos from the last 2 years.

I think that normally teams get together officially 2 weeks before their first game, sometimes part/most of the team get together doing unofficial practices 1-3 weeks before practices officially start.

[AirP.]

Here's a list of all NBA players who shot 6+ 3s last year and their sorted by their REAL 3pt %.

Real 3pt% is just 3pt shots, I have removed heaves from their 3pt shots taken and made, heaves and 3s are 2 different shots.

Qualifiers... 41+ games played, 6 3s per game. 48 players qualified.

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+------------------------+----+---+--+--+----+----+------+---------+----------+----------+
|player                  |team|age|g |gs|m   |fg3a|fg3pct|fg3heaves|fga3heaves|real3ptpct|
+------------------------+----+---+--+--+----+----+------+---------+----------+----------+
|Luke Kennard            |LAC |25 |70|13|27.4|6   |0.449 |0        |0         |0.4491726 |
|Desmond Bane            |MEM |23 |76|76|29.8|6.9 |0.436 |0        |1         |0.43678162|
|Max Strus               |MIA |25 |68|16|23.3|6.5 |0.41  |0        |1         |0.41043085|
|Anfernee Simons         |POR |22 |57|30|29.5|7.8 |0.405 |0        |2         |0.40681818|
|Tyler Herro             |MIA |22 |66|10|32.6|6.7 |0.399 |0        |5         |0.4032258 |
|Patty Mills             |BRK |33 |81|48|29  |7   |0.4   |0        |3         |0.4017699 |
|Kevin Love              |CLE |33 |74|4 |22.5|6.4 |0.392 |0        |1         |0.39285713|
|LaMelo Ball             |CHO |20 |75|75|32.3|7.5 |0.389 |0        |2         |0.39076376|
|Evan Fournier           |NYK |29 |80|80|29.5|7.7 |0.389 |0        |2         |0.39059967|
|Zach LaVine             |CHI |26 |67|67|34.7|7.1 |0.389 |0        |0         |0.38947368|
|Bojan Bogdanović        |UTA |32 |69|69|30.9|6.8 |0.387 |0        |0         |0.38675213|
|Devin Booker            |PHO |25 |68|68|34.5|7   |0.383 |0        |2         |0.38445377|
|Gary Trent Jr.          |TOR |23 |70|69|35  |7.8 |0.383 |0        |1         |0.3841912 |
|Darius Garland          |CLE |22 |68|68|35.7|6.7 |0.383 |1        |2         |0.38274336|
|Trae Young              |ATL |23 |76|76|34.9|8   |0.382 |0        |1         |0.3825944 |
|Stephen Curry           |GSW |33 |64|64|34.5|11.7|0.38  |0        |5         |0.38255033|
|Kyle Lowry              |MIA |35 |63|63|33.9|6.1 |0.377 |0        |4         |0.3809524 |
|Fred VanVleet           |TOR |27 |65|65|37.9|9.9 |0.377 |0        |6         |0.38050315|
|Malik Beasley           |MIN |25 |79|18|25  |8.1 |0.377 |0        |4         |0.37914693|
|Justin Holiday          |IND |32 |49|40|28.9|6.9 |0.378 |0        |1         |0.37910447|
|Terry Rozier            |CHO |27 |73|73|33.7|8.1 |0.374 |0        |3         |0.3762712 |
|Kevin Porter Jr.        |HOU |21 |61|61|31.3|6.8 |0.375 |0        |0         |0.37530267|
|Khris Middleton         |MIL |30 |66|66|32.4|6.6 |0.373 |0        |0         |0.37327188|
|Duncan Robinson         |MIA |27 |79|68|25.9|7.9 |0.372 |0        |0         |0.37179488|
|Bogdan Bogdanović       |ATL |29 |63|27|29.3|7.3 |0.368 |0        |3         |0.37061402|
|Buddy Hield             |SAC |29 |55|6 |28.6|9   |0.368 |1        |2         |0.36713997|
|Will Barton             |DEN |31 |71|71|32.1|6.1 |0.365 |0        |1         |0.36596736|
|Jordan Poole            |GSW |22 |76|51|30  |7.6 |0.364 |1        |5         |0.3652174 |
|Ben McLemore            |POR |28 |64|6 |20.1|6.5 |0.362 |0        |2         |0.36385542|
|OG Anunoby              |TOR |24 |48|48|36  |6.6 |0.363 |0        |0         |0.362776  |
|LeBron James            |LAL |37 |56|56|37.2|8   |0.359 |0        |0         |0.359375  |
|Jaylen Brown            |BOS |25 |66|66|33.6|7   |0.358 |0        |2         |0.35930735|
|Anthony Edwards         |MIN |20 |72|72|34.3|8.4 |0.357 |0        |2         |0.35833332|
|Lauri Markkanen         |CLE |24 |61|61|30.8|6.2 |0.358 |0        |0         |0.35789475|
|Donovan Mitchell        |UTA |25 |67|67|33.8|9.8 |0.355 |0        |2         |0.35582823|
|Luka Dončić             |DAL |22 |65|65|35.4|8.8 |0.353 |0        |2         |0.35449734|
|Jayson Tatum            |BOS |23 |76|76|35.9|8.6 |0.353 |0        |2         |0.35439137|
|Saddiq Bey              |DET |22 |82|82|33  |7.4 |0.346 |0        |9         |0.35108152|
|Kelly Oubre Jr.         |CHO |26 |76|13|26.3|7.3 |0.345 |0        |2         |0.34664246|
|Jalen Green             |HOU |19 |67|67|31.9|6.8 |0.343 |0        |1         |0.34354487|
|DAngelo Russell         |MIN |25 |65|65|32  |8   |0.34  |0        |3         |0.34174758|
|Devonte Graham          |NOP |26 |76|63|28.4|7.4 |0.341 |1        |4         |0.34168157|
|Tim Hardaway Jr.        |DAL |29 |42|20|29.6|7.2 |0.336 |0        |4         |0.34      |
|Luguentz Dort           |OKC |22 |51|51|32.6|7.7 |0.332 |0        |1         |0.33333334|
|James Harden            |BRK |32 |44|44|37  |7   |0.332 |0        |0         |0.33224756|
|Reggie Jackson          |LAC |31 |75|75|31.2|6.8 |0.326 |0        |2         |0.327451  |
|Jordan Clarkson         |UTA |29 |79|1 |27.1|7.6 |0.318 |0        |2         |0.31932774|
|Nickeil Alexander-Walker|NOP |23 |50|19|26.3|6.1 |0.311 |0        |2         |0.31353134|
+------------------------+----+---+--+--+----+----+------+---------+----------+----------+

Miami had 4 of 48 players that qualified, most players of any team. (Miami only had Robinson the previous season)
Charolette had 3
Cleveland had 3
Minnesota had 3
Toronto had 3
Utah had 3

So, 6 teams had 19 of the 48 players who shot 6+ 3s and the rest of the league (24 teams) had the remaining 29 players (avg 1.2 per team).

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