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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#441 » by DayofMourning » Mon Jun 7, 2021 9:58 pm

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NYG wrote:If Butler were dealt, how many picks would you want in return if the Knicks had interest?

Kevin Knox plus how many picks = Jimmy Butler?


Knox cannot b considered a foundational piece of any trade. Knicks would have to give up something very solid in order to get Butler. Something you likely wouldn't want to give up.


Serious, and I am the one person who is interested in Knox. I would only give a second round pick for him.


And I'm not even interested in parting with that. We've already got KZ and Precious as project forwards.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#442 » by The Bunk » Mon Jun 7, 2021 10:08 pm

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carnageta wrote:Porzingis is disgruntled.

Too bad he’s injury prone. Would be one of the best fits next to Bam

Unfortunately he's just too soft for me. Always hurt. Always playing with a lingering injury, or sitting out games.

For that money and a similar impact/fit I'd rather have John Collins.


John Collins is not an option. Collins has to become an option for one to say rather. I rather have Durant. Porzingis being publicly disgruntled for a while now and the fact that the Mavs, did shop him before the trade deadline makes him a reasonable option. And Porzingis asked to be traded to Miami once before.

Collins, Lillard and Leonard are not options. Players that fans would like but there never been any indications that they will be on the market to move. Sure if one of those players make it known that they want to be moved to Miami, then it will be an option.


So Collins, Lillard, and Leonard aren't options, even though 2 of the 3 will be free agents this off-season, but KP is an option since he's disgruntled.........because you say so? Lol. Sounds like something LEIF would say.

No offense, but YOU don't make the criteria. People can talk about whatever "options" they'd like. I don't know who you think you are to determine what players are "options" and what players are not.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#443 » by The Bunk » Mon Jun 7, 2021 10:11 pm

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MettaWorldPanda wrote:Spencer Dinwiddie is looking for a deal starting in the 20’s. Iffy considering his game overlaps with Butler and provides low level 3 point shooter.


Do you think Dinwiddie will opt out after not playing for more than a year? I think that would be a big mistake.


He is opting out. Well known already.

You think it would be a "big mistake" for Dinwiddie to opt out of $12.3 million? I'd be willing to make any type of financial bet you'd like that he'll get significantly more money on the open market.

I mean, Kendrick Nunn is looking at possibly $15 million/year. Not even near the same level of players.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#444 » by The Bunk » Mon Jun 7, 2021 10:17 pm

NYG wrote:If Butler were dealt, how many picks would you want in return if the Knicks had interest?

Kevin Knox plus how many picks = Jimmy Butler?

Kevin Knox is absolutely worthless. I don't know why Knicks fans believe he has value just because you overdrafted him.

He has 2nd round pick value at best, and I'd probably still pass. Any deal with the Knicks for Jimmy starts with RJ. And I'm sure you wouldn't like that. Well, we wouldn't like anything else tbh. Poor trade partners.

If things go left and Jimmy ends up being available, I think GSW is probably the best potential trade partner.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#445 » by twix2500 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 10:32 pm

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The Bunk wrote:Unfortunately he's just too soft for me. Always hurt. Always playing with a lingering injury, or sitting out games.

For that money and a similar impact/fit I'd rather have John Collins.


John Collins is not an option. Collins has to become an option for one to say rather. I rather have Durant. Porzingis being publicly disgruntled for a while now and the fact that the Mavs, did shop him before the trade deadline makes him a reasonable option. And Porzingis asked to be traded to Miami once before.

Collins, Lillard and Leonard are not options. Players that fans would like but there never been any indications that they will be on the market to move. Sure if one of those players make it known that they want to be moved to Miami, then it will be an option.


So Collins, Lillard, and Leonard aren't options, even though 2 of the 3 will be free agents this off-season, but KP is an option since he's disgruntled.........because you say so? Lol. Sounds like something LEIF would say.

No offense, but YOU don't make the criteria. People can talk about whatever "options" they'd like. I don't know who you think you are to determine what players are "options" and what players are not.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#446 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Mon Jun 7, 2021 10:41 pm

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The Bunk wrote:Unfortunately he's just too soft for me. Always hurt. Always playing with a lingering injury, or sitting out games.

For that money and a similar impact/fit I'd rather have John Collins.


John Collins is not an option. Collins has to become an option for one to say rather. I rather have Durant. Porzingis being publicly disgruntled for a while now and the fact that the Mavs, did shop him before the trade deadline makes him a reasonable option. And Porzingis asked to be traded to Miami once before.

Collins, Lillard and Leonard are not options. Players that fans would like but there never been any indications that they will be on the market to move. Sure if one of those players make it known that they want to be moved to Miami, then it will be an option.


So Collins, Lillard, and Leonard aren't options, even though 2 of the 3 will be free agents this off-season, but KP is an option since he's disgruntled.........because you say so? Lol. Sounds like something LEIF would say.

No offense, but YOU don't make the criteria. People can talk about whatever "options" they'd like. I don't know who you think you are to determine what players are "options" and what players are not.

For my option I want Riley to build a time machine and bring back prime Jordan and Olajuwon on team-friendly deals. Otherwise he should just blow it up
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#447 » by DayofMourning » Mon Jun 7, 2021 10:52 pm

I have a fantasy as well. Trade Butler to GSW for Wiseman and picks. Trade Bam to Orlando for their lotto picks (it's a fantasy!). Draft Cade, Mobley, Green and Kispert. Pay Jarrett Allen. Boom.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#451 » by DayofMourning » Tue Jun 8, 2021 12:10 am

Going to have to come up with some different rumors brehs. Put Lillard to bed.

I'd be happy with Derrick Rose as our point to be honest. He's older, but he's gotten to be pretty efficient.

Add Rose and Jarrett Allen (need another poster on the JA bandwagon) and I feel like we've done pretty well within the constraints of our team building approach.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#452 » by Wiltside » Tue Jun 8, 2021 12:14 am

DayofMourning wrote:Going to have to come up with some different rumors brehs. Put Lillard to bed.

I'd be happy with Derrick Rose as our point to be honest. He's older, but he's gotten to be pretty efficient.

Add Rose and Jarrett Allen (need another poster on the JA bandwagon) and I feel like we've done pretty well within the constraints of our team building approach.


I like Allen, but I do worry a bit about having he and Bam in the same lineup with Jimmy. That's some tiiiiight spacing.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#453 » by DayofMourning » Tue Jun 8, 2021 12:23 am

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DayofMourning wrote:Going to have to come up with some different rumors brehs. Put Lillard to bed.

I'd be happy with Derrick Rose as our point to be honest. He's older, but he's gotten to be pretty efficient.

Add Rose and Jarrett Allen (need another poster on the JA bandwagon) and I feel like we've done pretty well within the constraints of our team building approach.


I like Allen, but I do worry a bit about having he and Bam in the same lineup with Jimmy. That's some tiiiiight spacing.


Butler needs to go to work with whatever shooting specialist we have to up that 3 point percentage number. I don't need him shooting 10 threes a game, but 35% is my base expectation. He's pretty good as a mid range shooter from the eye test. I think we can get by with a couple long range specialists in the lineup, as long as we have everyone contributing to their strengths (i.e., JA low post work, Bam high post work, Butler point/slashing game, etc.).

Spacing is a quality idea as long as its efficient. Can't have our team shooting 35% from three, yet extolling spacing. There is an in between, better balance available, and that's what I yearn for.

Give me Rose shooting 39% from three and getting our team set, Butler slashing, Robinson getting "open" opportunities, Bam taking those wide open mid range jumpers he passed up in the playoffs, and JA being a real force for us down low (his orating/drating differential is sick).
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#454 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Tue Jun 8, 2021 12:25 am

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DayofMourning wrote:Going to have to come up with some different rumors brehs. Put Lillard to bed.

I'd be happy with Derrick Rose as our point to be honest. He's older, but he's gotten to be pretty efficient.

Add Rose and Jarrett Allen (need another poster on the JA bandwagon) and I feel like we've done pretty well within the constraints of our team building approach.


I like Allen, but I do worry a bit about having he and Bam in the same lineup with Jimmy. That's some tiiiiight spacing.


Sign Jafro Allen and trade Bam for a legit scorer?
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#455 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 8, 2021 12:36 am

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DayofMourning wrote:Going to have to come up with some different rumors brehs. Put Lillard to bed.

I'd be happy with Derrick Rose as our point to be honest. He's older, but he's gotten to be pretty efficient.

Add Rose and Jarrett Allen (need another poster on the JA bandwagon) and I feel like we've done pretty well within the constraints of our team building approach.


I like Allen, but I do worry a bit about having he and Bam in the same lineup with Jimmy. That's some tiiiiight spacing.

Cavs are going to resign him anyway. The big market for us is Markkannen, Portis, Theis, Ibaka, and Kaminsky. These are the Center/PF’s that are playable with Bam. Now if we go for more of a pure stretch PF we are looking at Gay, JaMychal Green, and Lyles.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#456 » by DayofMourning » Tue Jun 8, 2021 12:37 am

BenoUdrihFTL wrote:
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DayofMourning wrote:Going to have to come up with some different rumors brehs. Put Lillard to bed.

I'd be happy with Derrick Rose as our point to be honest. He's older, but he's gotten to be pretty efficient.

Add Rose and Jarrett Allen (need another poster on the JA bandwagon) and I feel like we've done pretty well within the constraints of our team building approach.


I like Allen, but I do worry a bit about having he and Bam in the same lineup with Jimmy. That's some tiiiiight spacing.


Sign Jafro Allen and trade Bam for a legit scorer?


I think they'd work well together. JA is a simple man. However, he has a definitive skill set that translates to winning basketball. Bam is more of a basketball artist whose potential has yet to be unlocked. Bam can be really good, but he needs a post partner to help bring out his best assets.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#457 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Jun 8, 2021 12:40 am

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I like Allen, but I do worry a bit about having he and Bam in the same lineup with Jimmy. That's some tiiiiight spacing.


Sign Jafro Allen and trade Bam for a legit scorer?


I think they'd work well together. JA is a simple man. However, he has a definitive skill set that translates to winning basketball. Bam is more of a basketball artist whose potential has yet to be unlocked. Bam can be really good, but he needs a post partner to help bring out his best assets.

I like Allen but seriously doubt we make an aggressive enough play that Cavs won’t match.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#458 » by DayofMourning » Tue Jun 8, 2021 12:43 am

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DayofMourning wrote:Going to have to come up with some different rumors brehs. Put Lillard to bed.

I'd be happy with Derrick Rose as our point to be honest. He's older, but he's gotten to be pretty efficient.

Add Rose and Jarrett Allen (need another poster on the JA bandwagon) and I feel like we've done pretty well within the constraints of our team building approach.


I like Allen, but I do worry a bit about having he and Bam in the same lineup with Jimmy. That's some tiiiiight spacing.

Yeah i’m puzzled at the suggestion of Allen. Cavs are going to resign him anyway. The big market for us is Markkannen, Portis, Theis, Ibaka, and Kaminsky. These are the Center/PF’s that are playable with Bam. Now if we go for more of a pure stretch PF we are looking at Gay, JaMychal Green, and Lyles.


Pat has always liked his big men. JA is a legit big man. The Cavs will put an effort into resigning him, but how much will they be willing to invest?

I think your vision is a bit limited with Bam. He is not a paint big. He's a high post guy. Imagine if he would have taken the 100 plus open 15 footers he was given in the Bucks series. He can absolutely make that shot. Does he absolutely have to have a 7 footer shooting 3 pointers next to him? Or could he also play with a big who can rebound his misses?
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#459 » by MHeat0279 » Tue Jun 8, 2021 12:43 am

Bucks not looking too sharp facing a competent team.
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Re: MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021 

Post#460 » by DayofMourning » Tue Jun 8, 2021 12:45 am

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
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Sign Jafro Allen and trade Bam for a legit scorer?


I think they'd work well together. JA is a simple man. However, he has a definitive skill set that translates to winning basketball. Bam is more of a basketball artist whose potential has yet to be unlocked. Bam can be really good, but he needs a post partner to help bring out his best assets.

I like Allen but seriously doubt we make an aggressive enough play that Cavs won’t match.


I've already responded to that same question, but how much do you think the Cavs will invest?

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