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Post#541 » by AirP. » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:24 pm

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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Adam Borai is saying on Twitter Duncan is trade eligible in 47 days

I guess I'll post this again. Duncan was signed with Bird rights.

For three months or until January 15 of that season (whichever is later) after re-signing a free agent with Larry Bird or Early Bird rights, if the team is over the cap, the player's new salary is above the minimum, and he receives a raise greater than 20%.

http://cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm


So he can be traded January 15th?

Looks like it, I tried to find more specific info and couldn't find it about 2-way signings with Bird rights.

It seems that 47 days from when you wrote would be January 15th. 1(days left in Nov) + 31(days in Dec) +15 days in Jan to the 15th = 47.
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Post#542 » by AirP. » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:36 pm

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Duncan's situation is rough and infuriating and I have no patience for it. But Couper Moorhead is here to provide some rational perspective and a sliver of hope in this twitter thread. Let us pray

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The issue is that Duncan's only NBA level skill(or better) is shooting the 3, so when he's not shooting the 3 well it's like tossing out a bad player but still telling him to shoot.

FYI, Duncan's shooting on the road is a little low but near the ballpark of a good 3pt shooter, its his home 3pt shooting that's the issue. He's going to get his stroke back at some time but he's still just a 1 trick pony. I hope Oladipo comes back to near what he was to eventually (maybe by the playoffs, maybe by next year) take Duncan's spot in the starting lineup to add more defense, better finishing, being a triple threat and another player with(hopefully) athletic ability that Lowry can create easy shots with.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1 

Post#543 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:09 pm

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AirP. wrote:I guess I'll post this again. Duncan was signed with Bird rights.


http://cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm


So he can be traded January 15th?

Looks like it, I tried to find more specific info and couldn't find it about 2-way signings with Bird rights.

It seems that 47 days from when you wrote would be January 15th. 1(days left in Nov) + 31(days in Dec) +15 days in Jan to the 15th = 47.


Ok cool, we have plenty of time to find a solid deal for him then
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Post#544 » by Wiltside » Wed Dec 1, 2021 9:30 am

Injury timetable is questionable, but Thomas Bryant another name that would work OK alongside Bam.
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Post#545 » by harlem_ball » Wed Dec 1, 2021 10:39 am

greg4012 wrote:
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Duncan's situation is rough and infuriating and I have no patience for it. But Couper Moorhead is here to provide some rational perspective and a sliver of hope in this twitter thread. Let us pray

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this is sobering. after watching Warriors vs Suns it is apparent the Heat need more shooting and as much as it can get.

Oladipo might be a worse 3 point gunner than Vincent. He's no savior, Heat already have Butler in that role. Heat need shooterz!!!
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Post#546 » by greg4012 » Wed Dec 1, 2021 1:29 pm

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Duncan's situation is rough and infuriating and I have no patience for it. But Couper Moorhead is here to provide some rational perspective and a sliver of hope in this twitter thread. Let us pray

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this is sobering. after watching Warriors vs Suns it is apparent the Heat need more shooting and as much as it can get.

Oladipo might be a worse 3 point gunner than Vincent. He's no savior, Heat already have Butler in that role. Heat need shooterz!!!


Dipo has been hovering around 40% on spot up 3s for the past few years now. Its ballhandling pull ups that lower his percentage
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Post#547 » by twix2500 » Wed Dec 1, 2021 1:43 pm

Recorded time and date on how long you all gonna trade Duncan on a daily bases. And my bet it will be over 300 days from today.

And some of the old heads in here talking Spo playing two bigs. I really think you are just trolling

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Post#548 » by AirP. » Wed Dec 1, 2021 2:45 pm

twix2500 wrote:Recorded time and date on how long you all gonna trade Duncan on a daily bases. And my bet it will be over 300 days from today.

And some of the old heads in here talking Spo playing two bigs. I really think you are just trolling

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I'm expecting this team to go into the tax starting next year with the paying to keep Oladipo and Tyler's future contract(which coincides with the last 1-2 years going for it with Butler), all the money has to be looked at putting Miami into the tax, you need to move the bad value contracts. Duncan is already 27, it's not like a young player, he's just a new player with a single NBA skill(Duncan's shot will come back at hom but he's still a single skilled player).

Looking at next year...
Starting Lowry, Oladipo(resigned)/Herro, Butler, Tucker, Bam with a bench of Herro/Oladipo, Strus, C.Martin(resigned), Vincent, Yurtseven, #1 draft pick and possibly M.Garrett, where is Robinson's spot or the need to throw 17+ million for just a shooter in that rotation? I don't see it and maybe Duncan doesn't see it either, more then likely Robinson was resigned as a contract Miami can move which is of course dependent on what Oladipo looks like after he comes back.

Miami I believe will hold Bird rights on Oladipo and C.Martin(2-way contract which will be converted to a league minimum this year) so it's pay them or lose them. The guy who seems out of place long term is D.Robinson who will be 30 after this 3 year window of trying to compete with Butler as the best player.

I don't think Miami is going to go all in unless they can package some of their talent for an all-star level player that is more near Bam's age. It's possible Robinson could be flipped for a specific vet of a position of need.

Quite frankly, you could do what I said this summer, move Robinson in a S&T and plug a guy like Strus in his spot and probably not miss a beat since Strus can do some things better then Robinson even if he's not as good of a 3pt shooter.

Yeah... the 2 bigs thing is out the window while Bam is in Miami, Miami's coaches/FO dream before picking Bam was to build a defense around him being a highly switchable center, they're very close to their vision other then Robinson being in the starting lineup but Spoelstra has an attachment with Robinson because he knows how hard he worked to put himself in his current position.
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Post#549 » by harlem_ball » Wed Dec 1, 2021 2:46 pm

twix2500 wrote:Recorded time and date on how long you all gonna trade Duncan on a daily bases. And my bet it will be over 300 days from today.

And some of the old heads in here talking Spo playing two bigs. I really think you are just trolling

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Heat have lost probably every game this year against big frontcourts.

Pacers, Nuggets, Lakers, Clippers, TWolves.

Clippers can be excused as a fatigue loss. Miami's win against the Bucks did not include Lopez in the lineup.
BAM is avg. a career low in blocks.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1 

Post#550 » by AirP. » Wed Dec 1, 2021 5:40 pm

It's a weak enough penalty where the teams probably just take it instead of trying to fight it and with that, that situation is done for the teams and the NBA.
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Post#551 » by Kobewade11 » Wed Dec 1, 2021 6:14 pm

The decision to trade our 2022, 2024, and 2026 second round picks for KZ looking worse by the day lol
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Post#552 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Dec 1, 2021 6:25 pm

All that hype and build up to only lose a 2nd round pick lol
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Post#553 » by insfo » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:26 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:The decision to trade our 2022, 2024, and 2026 second round picks for KZ looking worse by the day lol


Wow, thanks to KZ we actually lost 3 tampering opportunities. Fk this guy :lol:
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Post#554 » by AirP. » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:52 pm

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So he can be traded January 15th?

Looks like it, I tried to find more specific info and couldn't find it about 2-way signings with Bird rights.

It seems that 47 days from when you wrote would be January 15th. 1(days left in Nov) + 31(days in Dec) +15 days in Jan to the 15th = 47.


Ok cool, we have plenty of time to find a solid deal for him then


Ok... I found some more information on why we keep hearing about the "March 3rd" trade date, that was actually the January 15th trade date shifted to March 3rd for last season only.

There’s also a small subset of free agent signees whose trade ineligibility lasts for an extra four weeks. Typically, these players would become trade-eligible on January 15. Due to the changes to the NBA’s calendar for the 2020/21 league year, that date has been shifted to March 3.

These players all meet a specific set of criteria: Not only did they re-sign with their previous team this offseason, but they got a raise of at least 20%, their salary is worth more than the minimum, and their team was over the cap, using Bird or Early Bird rights to sign them.


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/12/players-who-cant-be-traded-until-march-3.html

So it seems D.Robinson is indeed eligible to be traded January 15th but I doubt they do anything until this summer. I think Miami's situation changes once they feel comfortable with Oladipo being near the player he once was and that probably won't be figured out until past the trade deadline and that could also be possibly not until the upcoming offseason.
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Post#555 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Wed Dec 1, 2021 8:01 pm

Bam having surgery on his hand. ****!!!
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Post#556 » by AirP. » Wed Dec 1, 2021 8:01 pm

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Post#557 » by dshearn » Wed Dec 1, 2021 8:02 pm

On Duncan, are people not afraid that this is who he is when the team is not dedicated to spamming the hand off game?
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Post#558 » by MettaWorldPanda » Wed Dec 1, 2021 8:03 pm

Looks like we will be getting the Yurtseven era whether Spo likes it or not.
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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 1 

Post#559 » by AirP. » Wed Dec 1, 2021 8:04 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:Looks like we will be getting the Yurtseven era whether Spo likes it or not.

I expect Morris to be back all of a sudden but yeah, here comes Yurtseven time.

You'd have to think that Miami's FO has to be looking for some type of trade to bring in a vet minimum player, like moving KZ and cash for a backup or starter.

Wonder if Myers Leonard is heading towards Miami today and when he's eligible to sign with Miami.
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Post#560 » by twozeroMM » Wed Dec 1, 2021 8:07 pm

Shiet shiet shiet. Get well soon Bam.

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