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Re: 2020 NBA Draft - We have a FRP!....for now 

Post#781 » by Miami590 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:14 pm

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Miami590 wrote:With so many teams looking to trade down from the top of the draft, would it be crazy if we were to move up and draft someone like Deni, Okoro or even Obi who would be a good match next to Bam with his shooting ability.


The reason it is unlikely is two fold:

1) I don't think we've ever traded up into the lottery in our history (from memory).
2) Rookie scale contracts

Rookie scale contracts can be a huge boon if you find a gem in the late lottery, late first or second round. But they can equally be a real problem if you dud on a high lotto pick (think guys like Okafor, Josh Jackson, Anthony Bennett etc).

This is likely why you see a lot of teams thinking about moving back or out - in a draft with no clear stars, similar talent level and a lot of uncertainty, teams don't want to guarantee $5-6-7m over multiple years to guys they're not that high on and see better value late.

E.g. the difference in salary between our pick #20 ($2,267,400 1st year, $2,380,800 2nd year and $2,493,900 3rd year) vs say moving up to pick #6 with ATL ($5,104,900 1st year, $5,360,100 2nd year, $5,615,400 3rd year).

That's a difference of like $3m on a cap hit for potentially very similar level players. Every dollar will count for us in 2021 FA.

Having said that, if the FO and Scouting Team was really confident in a certain prospect and felt like it was worth it, by all means. They've earned the right.

Good points, I know it’s unrealistic but I think that there’s a lot of players who can be a steal in this draft since they didn’t get a chance to be properly evaluated due to the shortened season. Hopefully we’ll be able to find a solid contributor at #20
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Post#782 » by QUIZ » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:18 am



Thoughts on Desmon Bane? He seems like a high floor guy. He's moved up some draft boards into the first round. Idk if the Heat use a first round pick on a guy like him tho. Generally they seem to use first rounds on players they can't salvage from the G league. But man, that shooting tho... in Spo's system he would be Duncan 2.0.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft - We have a FRP!....for now 

Post#783 » by Wiltside » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:26 am

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Thoughts on Desmon Bane? He seems like a high floor guy. He's moved up some draft boards into the first round. Idk if the Heat use a first round pick on a guy like him tho. Generally they seem to use first rounds on players they can't salvage from the G league. But man, that shooting tho... in Spo's system he would be Duncan 2.0.


I had a look at him back on page 36, QUIZ. I'll repost below for you:

A guy who I've been doing a little reading/film review on is Desmond Bane.

6'6", 215lbs but has a reported 6'4.5" wingspan. The ol' T-rex, which we seem to have a penchant for (Olynyk, Herro also sport negative wingspans). He has a body shape a little like Malcolm Brogdon, very solidly built and athletic. Not sure if the actual combine measurements are available, anyone have a resource for this?

Averaged 16.6ppg, 6.3rpg, 3.9apg, 1.5spg, 0.5bpg, 2.3tpg in 36.0mpg on 45.2%fg, 44.2% 3fg (2.9 threes made per) and 78.9%ft in his Senior year at TCU.

Stroke looks compact albeit a little unorthodox. Has improved every year at college level and shoots a very high clip on a large amounts of attempts. He can catch and shoot, come off the curl as well as attack the close out and create off the dribble. Looks to be reasonably athletic too. His Senior year was the first year he didn't shoot 50% from the floor, but still had a TS% of 57% (first year below 60% TS%).

Positives:
- NBA ready body and size.
- Can handle and create, assist % increased this year.
- One of the better shooters in the draft (2.9 3's per), but also solid defensively and can attack a close out.

Negatives:
- Small wingspan could limit defensive upside.
- Draft age; he's already 22 years old so upside may be limited.
- Low free throw rate (1.8 FT's in 36mpg). Could be due to the small wingspan and struggling to finish inside.

Projects to be a solid guard at the next level, reasonably versatile and has a quality 3pt stroke that will be what helps him stick. Reminds me a little of a more efficient Josh Hart, or best case would be a more 2 guard version of someone like Brogdon.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft - We have a FRP!....for now 

Post#784 » by QUIZ » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:35 am

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QUIZ wrote:

Thoughts on Desmon Bane? He seems like a high floor guy. He's moved up some draft boards into the first round. Idk if the Heat use a first round pick on a guy like him tho. Generally they seem to use first rounds on players they can't salvage from the G league. But man, that shooting tho... in Spo's system he would be Duncan 2.0.


I had a look at him back on page 36, QUIZ. I'll repost below for you:

A guy who I've been doing a little reading/film review on is Desmond Bane.

6'6", 215lbs but has a reported 6'4.5" wingspan. The ol' T-rex, which we seem to have a penchant for (Olynyk, Herro also sport negative wingspans). He has a body shape a little like Malcolm Brogdon, very solidly built and athletic. Not sure if the actual combine measurements are available, anyone have a resource for this?

Averaged 16.6ppg, 6.3rpg, 3.9apg, 1.5spg, 0.5bpg, 2.3tpg in 36.0mpg on 45.2%fg, 44.2% 3fg (2.9 threes made per) and 78.9%ft in his Senior year at TCU.

Stroke looks compact albeit a little unorthodox. Has improved every year at college level and shoots a very high clip on a large amounts of attempts. He can catch and shoot, come off the curl as well as attack the close out and create off the dribble. Looks to be reasonably athletic too. His Senior year was the first year he didn't shoot 50% from the floor, but still had a TS% of 57% (first year below 60% TS%).

Positives:
- NBA ready body and size.
- Can handle and create, assist % increased this year.
- One of the better shooters in the draft (2.9 3's per), but also solid defensively and can attack a close out.

Negatives:
- Small wingspan could limit defensive upside.
- Draft age; he's already 22 years old so upside may be limited.
- Low free throw rate (1.8 FT's in 36mpg). Could be due to the small wingspan and struggling to finish inside.

Projects to be a solid guard at the next level, reasonably versatile and has a quality 3pt stroke that will be what helps him stick. Reminds me a little of a more efficient Josh Hart, or best case would be a more 2 guard version of someone like Brogdon.


He's a better shooter than either of those guys tho right? I love me some shooting so I'm already on board. I think the Heat believe in their shooting coach to develop this skill tho and with Duncan and Herro already on the team I feel like we'll go for someone with more upside.
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Post#785 » by Wiltside » Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:28 am

QUIZ wrote:Projects to be a solid guard at the next level, reasonably versatile and has a quality 3pt stroke that will be what helps him stick. Reminds me a little of a more efficient Josh Hart, or best case would be a more 2 guard version of someone like Brogdon.
He's a better shooter than either of those guys tho right? I love me some shooting so I'm already on board. I think the Heat believe in their shooting coach to develop this skill tho and with Duncan and Herro already on the team I feel like we'll go for someone with more upside.


I would say based on the footage, he appears to be a superior shooter to both of them. Not as good off the bounce and attacking the paint as someone like Brogdon, and perhaps not the upside as a defender of Hart, but a player inbetween the two with a superior stroke.

Hart averaged 2.1 treys per game in his Senior year at Villanova on 41% back in 2016-17. Brogdon is a solid threat from deep (1.5 per on 32% last szn, 1.6 on 42% in 18-19), but not on Bane's level as a shooter.

The underrated thing about Bane appears to be his floor game. Averaging 6.6 boards and 4 assists shows there's some versatility there. He took a big leap this season as a playmaker, upping his dimes from 2.4 to 3.9 per game (turnovers went up from 1.3 to 2.3 and usage 19.5% to 24.4%).

I still feel like the most likely pick is Maxey based off the Kentucky Konnektions and a need there for a defensive guard with offensive upside, but I'd be quite comfortable with Bane if the team felt he was best on the board. I feel like he will easily slip into a role next year and be a solid pro.
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Post#786 » by dolphinatik » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:25 am

sixers should draft Bane or Tyrell Terry which would be perfect for them. Shooters that can also play smart. Bane doesnt project as high ceiling potential but he was one of the best shooters in college over 40% from 3. could be a bigshot Chauncey Billups type non flashy guard. HE was projected to go in the second round and would be an immediate buy into the second round to draft guy but if he gets into the first thats a solid pick for someone. He just doenst have any real wow factor about him nor elite speed/quickness. Low risk pick though but not a good pick for us at 20.
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Post#787 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:57 am

QUIZ wrote:

Thoughts on Desmon Bane? He seems like a high floor guy. He's moved up some draft boards into the first round. Idk if the Heat use a first round pick on a guy like him tho. Generally they seem to use first rounds on players they can't salvage from the G league. But man, that shooting tho... in Spo's system he would be Duncan 2.0.

looks like the classic 3&D guy, very old rookie that is very likely to be a useful NBA player and very unlikely to become anything more then an average wing.

If his defense is legit, That's not bad value to get at #20. He's a first base hit when some of the other options are swings at third base\home runs.

Personally, I like to swing harder, I think this team can afford to gamble on higher upside guys.
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Post#788 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:57 am

If Mason Jones goes undrafted or late second...could be huge steal.



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Post#789 » by twix2500 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:49 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:If Mason Jones goes undrafted or late second...could be huge steal.






Do we have room for another 6'5 ish wing player? In all indications. Crowder is coming back. If you thinking someone to stash away, he looks like he has promise. I like Nate Hinton for a stash away swing.
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Post#790 » by Beenie » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:05 pm

Saw a recent mock that had Mia taking Grant Riller. I'm not a big college BB guy and never heard of him but he looks like a natural scorer in this vid:

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Post#791 » by eddieheatfan » Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:25 pm

the heat need taller players that can rebound, no more midgets please
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Post#792 » by twix2500 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:27 pm

Beenie wrote:Saw a recent mock that had Mia taking Grant Riller. I'm not a big college BB guy and never heard of him but he looks like a natural scorer in this vid:

;t=408s
I like Riller. I was pushing for him before our pick dropped to 20. Still would take him if he gets a workout and impresses the coaches

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Post#793 » by radikalBaller » Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:36 pm

Beenie wrote:Saw a recent mock that had Mia taking Grant Riller. I'm not a big college BB guy and never heard of him but he looks like a natural scorer in this vid:

;t=408s



Nice, I like his game
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Post#794 » by Beenie » Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:53 pm

eddieheatfan wrote:the heat need taller players that can rebound, no more midgets please


My preference is for the team to draft a guard who has the upside to become a great playmaker.

Getting a big who can rebound I suspect will be done through a possible trade or through free agency.
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Post#795 » by eddieheatfan » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:24 pm

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eddieheatfan wrote:the heat need taller players that can rebound, no more midgets please


My preference is for the team to draft a guard who has the upside to become a great playmaker.

Getting a big who can rebound I suspect will be done through a possible trade or through free agency.
okay fair enough a good point guard is important but i thought that jimmy and goran were playing the role or am mistaken?
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Post#796 » by lastb1ckman » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:29 pm

eddieheatfan wrote:
Beenie wrote:
eddieheatfan wrote:the heat need taller players that can rebound, no more midgets please


My preference is for the team to draft a guard who has the upside to become a great playmaker.

Getting a big who can rebound I suspect will be done through a possible trade or through free agency.
okay fair enough a good point guard is important but i thought that jimmy and goran were playing the role or am mistaken?

I think it'll be smart to invest in guys that can lessen Goran and Jimmy's loads as they get older, rather than lean on them more.

Also, our offense sputters when neither of them are on the court. We need another pg for those situations.
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Post#797 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:56 pm

Beenie wrote:Saw a recent mock that had Mia taking Grant Riller. I'm not a big college BB guy and never heard of him but he looks like a natural scorer in this vid:

;t=408s


He's old as **** for a rook but my god, he looks like more athletic Harden.

Seriously, the way he moves and finishes, those step backs...pretty amazing film.
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Post#798 » by Beenie » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:23 pm

eddieheatfan wrote:
Beenie wrote:
eddieheatfan wrote:the heat need taller players that can rebound, no more midgets please


My preference is for the team to draft a guard who has the upside to become a great playmaker.

Getting a big who can rebound I suspect will be done through a possible trade or through free agency.
okay fair enough a good point guard is important but i thought that jimmy and goran were playing the role or am mistaken?


Goran is 35 and beyond next season, I'm not convinced that Mia will retain him.

And I think the same is true of Nunn, albeit much younger. He seems to be a prime trade candidate to perhaps land a big.

The team is gonna need someone to man the PG/ball handler role long term.
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Post#799 » by Beenie » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:29 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
Beenie wrote:Saw a recent mock that had Mia taking Grant Riller. I'm not a big college BB guy and never heard of him but he looks like a natural scorer in this vid:

;t=408s


He's old as **** for a rook but my god, he looks like more athletic Harden.

Seriously, the way he moves and finishes, those step backs...pretty amazing film.


His driving and finishing actually remind me a little of Westbrook; not as fast or as athletic obviously.

Kinda also reminds me of Van Vleet, partially because he somewhat resembles him. But his shot-making abilities are somewhat similar.
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Post#800 » by twix2500 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:42 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:
Beenie wrote:Saw a recent mock that had Mia taking Grant Riller. I'm not a big college BB guy and never heard of him but he looks like a natural scorer in this vid:

;t=408s


He's old as **** for a rook but my god, he looks like more athletic Harden.

Seriously, the way he moves and finishes, those step backs...pretty amazing film.
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