Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 6.0 -Everything's Gonna Be All Wright

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He's 34 yrs old, the older you get outside of bball gets more important. You see Lebron and Durant is unbothered. Imo the longevity of if the players are not a good thing.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I wouldn't be able to tell you that, because its felt like there have been none. There isn't a single game I remember that I was like yeah that's a statement game to a contender with their guys healthy, I remember some wins against teams missing their stars but nothing else.

It really is hard to say. Off the top of my head probably @Lakers, @Bucks, @Kings, @Pelicans, @Sixers, and vs Knicks.

I’m not even going to go to detail on who was missing for majority of those

@lakers Jan 3rd (110-96)Win Leading scorer Tyler Herro 21 - No Jimmy Butler, Both Lebron and AD played for LA, however I would Disqualify not a top 5 Conference team.
@Milwaukee Feb 13 (123-97)Win Leading scorer Nikola Jovic 26 - No Jimmy Butler, Both Giannis and Lillard played for Milwaukee. Milwaukee was going through an Abysmal losing streak, that should disqualify us from it being a statement win.
@Kings Feb 26 (121-110)Win Leading scorer Bam 28 - No Jimmy Butler, Both Sabonis and Fox played, however I would Disqualify not a top 5 Conference team.
@Pelicans Feb 23 (106-95)Win - Leading scorer Bam 24 - Jimmy Played, however I would Disqualify not a top 5 Conference team.
@sixers Feb 14 (109-104)Win - Leading Scorer Tyler/Bam both 24 - No Jimmy Butler, No Embiid, however I would Disqualify not a top 5 Conference team, plus missing their top player in Embiid.
VsKnicks Apr 2 (109-99)Win - Leading Scorer Rozier 34 - Jimmy Played, however at the time Knicks were missing OG anouby and their staring SG out on injuries.

So you telling me that our most notable wins, came without Jimmy Butler in 4 out of the 6, additionally the 2 he played he was 2nd and 4th leading scorer.
Only 2 of those teams the Knicks & Milwaukee are currently top 5 in their Conference, every other team is 6th or worse currently.

I don't think you could qualify them as statements wins, you can say maybe 2 of them were statement wins at best.
Also the concern here is that in those we didn't have Jimmy Butler playing, as in correlating that we play better without him, plus the games he did play he wasn't responsible for being our leading scorer who tilted the scales.

Yea I wouldn’t call them statement wins, just our best of the year although the bucks win is huge regardless of them being on a losing streak lol. Yea the point overall is our best basketball is played when Jimmy isn’t playing and I think that’s 100% just due to him not trying. It bogs everything down and clogs everything up. Also when Bam is a focal point to score and is asked to score (games without Jimmy or both Jimmy and Herro) he normally answers the call

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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He's 34 yrs old, the older you get outside of bball gets more important. You see Lebron and Durant is unbothered. Imo the longevity of if the players are not a good thing.

Unfortunately those 2 guys have rings and Jimmy doesn’t. They’re also playing at a far higher level than Jimmy and seem to care far more

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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You could look at this way, were are currently at crossroads, where ultimately perhaps he was able to as he says turn on the switch, or become Himmy Butler, whatever nickname you want to give it, and now hes realizing that he can't so he is brushing it off as its just nothing to worry about.

I guess from his perspective he can't come out and say that he's not the same guy, because his extension is on the line, so hes gonna play this off as best as possible. I think the pressure to squash the naysayers is going to start getting heavier come playing games, what will the excuses be if he cannot even provide us with 1 quality win while Miami goes out in a 4-0 sweep or 4-1 gentleman's sweep. Hell even the weight of not even getting in by us losing both Playing games.

Losing in Philly and then against Atlanta with Trae back is EASILY doable for this team. Honestly it’s more likely than us getting a win against either I’d say

[oreon]

Lol we still got a shot at 5 & 6

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[jbsays]

I kind of think Jimmy is cooked at this point. I hope I am wrong. But, I don't see this team making another playoff run unless someone else goes crazy. And I don't think Herro or Rozier can do it for multiple series.

I don't think they trade Bam. I don't see how they can possibly upgrade him. Teams with better bigs who are young aren't going to want to move them for Bam. He is an Allstar level complimentary piece. I don't see any team trading an All NBA player for something like Duncan and Martin. And Heat need to hang on to Jovic and Jacquez just because they are cheap rotation level players.

I had higher expectations for this team moving forward than I currently do.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I kind of think Jimmy is cooked at this point. I hope I am wrong. But, I don't see this team making another playoff run unless someone else goes crazy. And I don't think Herro or Rozier can do it for multiple series.

I don't think they trade Bam. I don't see how they can possibly upgrade him. Teams with better bigs who are young aren't going to want to move them for Bam. He is an Allstar level complimentary piece. I don't see any team trading an All NBA player for something like Duncan and Martin. And Heat need to hang on to Jovic and Jacquez just because they are cheap rotation level players.

I had higher expectations for this team moving forward than I currently do.

Jovic and Jaime can go without a doubt if an all star is coming in return

[IceColdCubano]

Lol we still got a shot at 5 & 6

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Friday should settle most of these scenarios, and its going to be a bunch of teams playing for positioning.

Orlando @ Philladelphia
Indiana @ Cleveland
Brooklyn @ New York
Toronto @ Miami
Milwaukee @ Oklahoma City

[IceColdCubano]

I kind of think Jimmy is cooked at this point. I hope I am wrong. But, I don't see this team making another playoff run unless someone else goes crazy. And I don't think Herro or Rozier can do it for multiple series.

I don't think they trade Bam. I don't see how they can possibly upgrade him. Teams with better bigs who are young aren't going to want to move them for Bam. He is an Allstar level complimentary piece. I don't see any team trading an All NBA player for something like Duncan and Martin. And Heat need to hang on to Jovic and Jacquez just because they are cheap rotation level players.

I had higher expectations for this team moving forward than I currently do.

Jovic and Jaime can go without a doubt if an all star is coming in return

You need to match salaries, Jovic & Jaime going out would need to be attached to Jimmy Butler.
Doubful this FO attachs all three young players, in Tyler, Jovic, Jaime to get a run down build with an aging Jimmy Butler.
Which means your then starting with nothing, outside of Bam + that Mythical Star your getting. Little draft picks, a bunch of vet minimun guys, hopefully Jimmy trade at that point nets at least a recovered 1st rounder, nobody is giving you 2 for an aging Jimmy Butler who plays less than 50 games. Were in a bad spot fam!!!

[jbsays]

I kind of think Jimmy is cooked at this point. I hope I am wrong. But, I don't see this team making another playoff run unless someone else goes crazy. And I don't think Herro or Rozier can do it for multiple series.

I don't think they trade Bam. I don't see how they can possibly upgrade him. Teams with better bigs who are young aren't going to want to move them for Bam. He is an Allstar level complimentary piece. I don't see any team trading an All NBA player for something like Duncan and Martin. And Heat need to hang on to Jovic and Jacquez just because they are cheap rotation level players.

I had higher expectations for this team moving forward than I currently do.

Jovic and Jaime can go without a doubt if an all star is coming in return

You need to match salaries, Jovic & Jaime going out would need to be attached to Jimmy Butler.
Doubful this FO attachs all three young players, in Tyler, Jovic, Jaime to get a run down build with an aging Jimmy Butler.
Which means your then starting with nothing, outside of Bam + that Mythical Star your getting. Little draft picks, a bunch of vet minimun guys, hopefully Jimmy trade at that point nets at least a recovered 1st rounder, nobody is giving you 2 for an aging Jimmy Butler who plays less than 50 games. Were in a bad spot fam!!!

That's kind of what I think. I remember reading Riley wouldn't include Jovic and Jacquez in the Herro/Lillard trade and replied you're crazy if you think Riley wouldn't package those guys.

Even if the Heat did try to trade them, I don't think at this point Herro or Butler would get a better player back.

[oreon]

I kind of think Jimmy is cooked at this point. I hope I am wrong. But, I don't see this team making another playoff run unless someone else goes crazy. And I don't think Herro or Rozier can do it for multiple series.

I don't think they trade Bam. I don't see how they can possibly upgrade him. Teams with better bigs who are young aren't going to want to move them for Bam. He is an Allstar level complimentary piece. I don't see any team trading an All NBA player for something like Duncan and Martin. And Heat need to hang on to Jovic and Jacquez just because they are cheap rotation level players.

I had higher expectations for this team moving forward than I currently do.

Jovic and Jaime can go without a doubt if an all star is coming in return

You need to match salaries, Jovic & Jaime going out would need to be attached to Jimmy Butler.
Doubful this FO attachs all three young players, in Tyler, Jovic, Jaime to get a run down build with an aging Jimmy Butler.
Which means your then starting with nothing, outside of Bam + that Mythical Star your getting. Little draft picks, a bunch of vet minimun guys, hopefully Jimmy trade at that point nets at least a recovered 1st rounder, nobody is giving you 2 for an aging Jimmy Butler who plays less than 50 games. Were in a bad spot fam!!!

I think Butler can be moved and we'd get a return. It wouldnt be a great one but we'd get some assets back. He'd have 2 years remaining, there would be teams who would be willing to gamble for 2 years on him for a low price.
There are 3 teams that come to mind.

First Philly - they got cap space this summer in a bad FA class. If they strike out they can pivot to Butler. They would be most ideal since they eat a chunk of his salary and we can gain some cap flexibility and a giant trade exception.
Then Sacramento, if they flame out they would be desperate for a move.
And lastly Knicks. They have a ton of picks to move with no clear target. Mitchell doesnt make sense for them since they have Brunson who is better.
Sacramento and Knicks wouldnt be the best deals. We would have to take back a bad contract or two but at minimum we'd get back 2 1st rounders. Not great ones but 1st rounders none the less.

[jbsays]

Jovic and Jaime can go without a doubt if an all star is coming in return

You need to match salaries, Jovic & Jaime going out would need to be attached to Jimmy Butler.
Doubful this FO attachs all three young players, in Tyler, Jovic, Jaime to get a run down build with an aging Jimmy Butler.
Which means your then starting with nothing, outside of Bam + that Mythical Star your getting. Little draft picks, a bunch of vet minimun guys, hopefully Jimmy trade at that point nets at least a recovered 1st rounder, nobody is giving you 2 for an aging Jimmy Butler who plays less than 50 games. Were in a bad spot fam!!!

I think Butler can be moved and we'd get a return. It wouldnt be a great one but we'd get some assets back. He'd have 2 years remaining, there would be teams who would be willing to gamble for 2 years on him for a low price.
There are 3 teams that come to mind.

First Philly - they got cap space this summer in a bad FA class. If they strike out they can pivot to Butler. They would be most ideal since they eat a chunk of his salary and we can gain some cap flexibility and a giant trade exception.
Then Sacramento, if they flame out they would be desperate for a move.
And lastly Knicks. They have a ton of picks to move with no clear target. Mitchell doesnt make sense for them since they have Brunson who is better.
Sacramento and Knicks wouldnt be the best deals. We would have to take back a bad contract or two but at minimum we'd get back 2 1st rounders. Not great ones but 1st rounders none the less.

Damn.... I just looked up 76ers contracts and they are in an incredible situation. Only Embiid and PAul Reed are on the books. Maxey will get whatever his max is, but he is worth it. Although I guess they will likely only go as far as Embiid takes them.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I kind of think Jimmy is cooked at this point. I hope I am wrong. But, I don't see this team making another playoff run unless someone else goes crazy. And I don't think Herro or Rozier can do it for multiple series.

I don't think they trade Bam. I don't see how they can possibly upgrade him. Teams with better bigs who are young aren't going to want to move them for Bam. He is an Allstar level complimentary piece. I don't see any team trading an All NBA player for something like Duncan and Martin. And Heat need to hang on to Jovic and Jacquez just because they are cheap rotation level players.

I had higher expectations for this team moving forward than I currently do.

Jovic and Jaime can go without a doubt if an all star is coming in return

You need to match salaries, Jovic & Jaime going out would need to be attached to Jimmy Butler.
Doubful this FO attachs all three young players, in Tyler, Jovic, Jaime to get a run down build with an aging Jimmy Butler.
Which means your then starting with nothing, outside of Bam + that Mythical Star your getting. Little draft picks, a bunch of vet minimun guys, hopefully Jimmy trade at that point nets at least a recovered 1st rounder, nobody is giving you 2 for an aging Jimmy Butler who plays less than 50 games. Were in a bad spot fam!!!

I disagree brother! I’d prefer the 3rd all star with Jimmy and Bam that will allow Jimmy to rest over the season and us still win games with Bam and the other guy leading the charge. I know I keep bringing up Mitchell but just have someone like Mitchell in mind when envisioning it (fast guard who’s an explosive scorer and works great with his bigs, or hell even Dame) but if we had someone like Mitchell to go with Bam those 2 guys and our role players (several vets would come flocking) would have us at the 2 seed right now worst case and then you slide playoff Jimmy in there and go for it all. Would work out perfectly for everyone tbh.

I think the Heat would also prefer that star with Jimmy and Bam as well. Obviously if you can keep one of Jovic or Jaime or maybe even this years picks then you do it but they’re not stopping me from getting another legit all star here with our guys.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Jovic and Jaime can go without a doubt if an all star is coming in return

You need to match salaries, Jovic & Jaime going out would need to be attached to Jimmy Butler.
Doubful this FO attachs all three young players, in Tyler, Jovic, Jaime to get a run down build with an aging Jimmy Butler.
Which means your then starting with nothing, outside of Bam + that Mythical Star your getting. Little draft picks, a bunch of vet minimun guys, hopefully Jimmy trade at that point nets at least a recovered 1st rounder, nobody is giving you 2 for an aging Jimmy Butler who plays less than 50 games. Were in a bad spot fam!!!

I think Butler can be moved and we'd get a return. It wouldnt be a great one but we'd get some assets back. He'd have 2 years remaining, there would be teams who would be willing to gamble for 2 years on him for a low price.
There are 3 teams that come to mind.

First Philly - they got cap space this summer in a bad FA class. If they strike out they can pivot to Butler. They would be most ideal since they eat a chunk of his salary and we can gain some cap flexibility and a giant trade exception.
Then Sacramento, if they flame out they would be desperate for a move.
And lastly Knicks. They have a ton of picks to move with no clear target. Mitchell doesnt make sense for them since they have Brunson who is better.
Sacramento and Knicks wouldnt be the best deals. We would have to take back a bad contract or two but at minimum we'd get back 2 1st rounders. Not great ones but 1st rounders none the less.

I agree and I actually think there are several other teams, contenders and borderline, who would give a good return for Jimmy. Denver, Pelicans, Lakers, maybe even the spurs swing for the fences this summer with rumors they want Trae, he’ll maybe the Hawks. I think there are quite a few options.

That being said I want Jimmy to win here and retire here, I would only trade him if I knew it was guaranteed bringing Mitchell to jump start the next era or whatever while him and Bam recruit the 3rd all star friend.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Speak of the devil!!!

[jbsays]

Obviously Herro was supposed to be that 3rd guy. I'm not sure what Heat could put together that would be attractive enough to land Mitchell when they couldn't land old Lilliard and his $50 million/yr deal.

[DayofMourning]

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Speak of the devil!!!

Mitchell for Butler?

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they are grilling miami and jimmy in particular

[Lennyzinho]

Lol we still got a shot at 5 & 6

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Friday should settle most of these scenarios, and its going to be a bunch of teams playing for positioning.

Orlando @ Philladelphia
Indiana @ Cleveland
Brooklyn @ New York
Toronto @ Miami
Milwaukee @ Oklahoma City

You start and play everyone and you win Friday (I would hope...)
Depending on the outcome we rest Sunday for the Tuesday game.

[Lennyzinho]

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Speak of the devil!!!

Mitchell for Butler?

I have a very hard time believing cavs make a deal with us after the lebron fiasco and same eastern conf.
We also don't have lots to offer.

I unfortunately think we run this team back. Give rozier an offseason. Duncan will have one less year and entering partially guaranteed last year. Spo and Riley will say we weren't healthy and had no chemistry and that we have enough.

The most I can see is an in season trade before deadline. But this salary stuff so hard.