Nene, Dalembert, Brown, etc. Heat options at Center.

[Diggity Dave]

Source: http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/m ... 3/33584531

Nene, 29, has long coveted Miami and Dallas as landing spots, but would have to force his way to one of those teams via a sign-and-trade since both are well over the cap. And whereas LeBron James was able to get a max deal through a sign-and-trade when he went from Cleveland to Miami, Nene would have to settle for a four-year deal with 4.5 percent raises under the new system in such an arrangement.

Go Riley, go!

[MartyCONLONNN]

i posted this in the FA thread so why not:

of the 6 teams mentioned in the hunt for Nene in Ken Berger's article I think Miami makes the most sense... It's Dallas, Golden State, Houston, Indiana, New Jersey and Miami.

Only Dallas and Miami match up realistically with what he's stated of being willing to take less money to win NOW... those other teams are not in the position to be contenders yet. And Dallas of course has a logjam in their bigs rotation. Another important note here is that the Nuggets roster is gutted because of their players signing in China & even moreso now with Nene definitely wanting out, and they could definitely use some cheap talent to fill out the roster for example Joel Anthony, Mike Miller, & they'd probably like that 2012 draft pick too.

Now personally I think i'm more for signing Dalembert because he seems like a smoother better fit, but you can imagine Riley really coveting an all around talent like Nene to push this team to that next next level, and I think has the athleticism & wits to be molded into a Heat-type defender. It's definitely something to keep an eye on folks, especially because we know Denver has coveted Haslem very recently. Hopefully it doesn't come at the cost of UD... but I think there's some subtle signs that we may be legitimately in play for Nene.

He really wants to be on a championship team, if not us (and Dallas seems out of the question), should be interesting to see where Nene goes. One thing for sure I will punch something if we don't want him & he ends up taking the MLE with Boston.

[Diggity Dave]

Sorry about that, I should have checked the FA agent first. GT3, delete this if you like or merge it, please.

[WD]

Source: http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/m ... 3/33584531

Nene, 29, has long coveted Miami and Dallas as landing spots, but would have to force his way to one of those teams via a sign-and-trade since both are well over the cap. And whereas LeBron James was able to get a max deal through a sign-and-trade when he went from Cleveland to Miami, Nene would have to settle for a four-year deal with 4.5 percent raises under the new system in such an arrangement.

Go Riley, go!

WHY?

Stats are basically the same as SAM(Dalimbert) same years in the NBA - NENE would have to force his way out of Denver, requires a lot of movement/pieces, possible S&T whereas Sam may sign for the MLE(if available) - ONCE AGAIN, we get so excited about the deal, each year we want to make a BIG DEAL/TRADE -

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Here's the thing, if we can get Nene for close to the same price as Dalembert (MLE or a S&T involving no more than Joel and Miller), he's the better value because of age. Only 29, he can mature with this team, while Dalembert at 31 is more likely to experience a drop-off during his tenure here.

Now, if it becomes more costly than that, especially if that cost includes Haslem in a trade, its not worth it if Dalembert is already obtainable.

[MartyCONLONNN]

Here's the thing, if we can get Nene for close to the same price as Dalembert (MLE or a S&T involving no more than Joel and Miller), he's the better value because of age. Only 29, he can mature with this team, while Dalembert at 31 is more likely to experience a drop-off during his tenure here.

Now, if it becomes more costly than that, especially if that cost includes Haslem in a trade, its not worth it if Dalembert is already obtainable.

That's exactly the way I see it... and if Riley can make those moves, keep Haslem, I don't see how that's being seen as making the next BIG DEAL more than it's just making the smartest basketball move we can with our available assets. Personally I'm worried though because didn't Ira say that in fact we did offer Haslem and Miller together for Nene last season?

[Mars]

The age difference between them really isn't an issue. They're less than a year and a half apart. Dalembert will be 31 in 5 months. Nene will be 30 in 9 months.

[DefenseWins]

I heard they could possibly trade Haslem and Miller for Nene.... I can't believe they'd trade away Haslem.

We'd have a problem at PF if that were to happen.

I can see them trading Miller but not Haslem...

[unowen85]

Bring Nene Hilario home, Riley!

[twix2500]

Here are the questions surrounding the possible addition of Nene that I think Riley is weighing.

How much better is Nene than Dalembert?
How much will it take to get Nene?
Is Nene worth trading Haslem and Miller for?
And if we trade Haslem for Miller, how can we fill the lost of Haslem and Miller thru free agency?
Is there a possible poker bluff and play that we could outright sign him? (Gamble on Nene and lose out on Dalembert or other possible free agencts)

[Tim_Hardawayy]

The age difference between them really isn't an issue. They're less than a year and a half apart. Dalembert will be 31 in 5 months. Nene will be 30 in 9 months.

Thanks, I didn't realize it was that close.

There's also the consideration that Nene is a fairly poor rebounder for a center, and that's one of the things we actually need from that position. Offensively he's good enough that you can isolate him for scores, but do we really need that on this team?

So yeah, the more I think about it, it might really just come down to an either/or between them, with Nene not worth anything extra. It'd be cool as hell if we could get both, but that's virtually impossible.

[twix2500]

From my initial outlook, i do not see we can get a better trio than Dalembert, Miller and Haslem if we trade for Nene and play free agency.

[DefenseWins]

Nene is better than Dalembert, scoring wise and by like 1 point in the rebounding area.

However, we don't need that much at the Center... we already have 3 guys fighting for the ball. We just need a Center who can play Center, be good defensively, and can get rebounds. Also easy buckets.

We don't need a scorer, we need a rebounder. If Dalembert is cheaper, Heat might go that route.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Nene is better than Dalembert, scoring wise and by like 1 point in the rebounding area.

Nene is not a better rebounder than Dalembert. In fact, Nene is a rather poor rebounder for a center, while Dalembert is a very good rebounder.

Total Rebound Percentage (TRB%) is usually a good indicator of how good a rebounder you are, it measures what percentage of rebounds available you get. 16-17 is good for a center (That's usually where Zo was around), 14 and lower is mediocre, 18 and up is very good.

For comparison's sake, Dwight Howard was at 22% last season. That's absolutely elite. Andrew Bogut was at 18%, still very good. Dalembert was at 19%, and over 20% the 2 seasons before that. Nene was at 14%, and has been at 14% or lower every season in his career but one. For comparisons sake, Bosh finished below 14% last year, and many of us feel he did not rebound well enough.

So yeah, not only is Nene not a better rebounder than Dalembert, he's actually a relatively poor rebounder, while Dalembert excels in that area.

[MartyCONLONNN]

Nene is better than Dalembert, scoring wise and by like 1 point in the rebounding area.

However, we don't need that much at the Center... we already have 3 guys fighting for the ball. We just need a Center who can play Center, be good defensively, and can get rebounds. Also easy buckets.

We don't need a scorer, we need a rebounder. If Dalembert is cheaper, Heat might go that route.

I agree with this pretty much. But the main reason why Nene has grown so appealing to me is that many times last year I felt we had to struggle to get easy buckets inside. So i feel like Nene's ability to score like he can opens up the game offensively for us & it seems appealing to have 2 bigs like Bosh and Nene that the defense has to respect to open up the lanes for Wade n LBJ. Aside from that having a player that can score at that clip while still being a huge upgrade rebounding from what we had last season at least also buys us more time for resting the big 3 if the rotations are right. And with this compacted schedule this year and assuming Miller is gone even if we go with Dalembert, it seems like it might be hard to come by good cheap wing scoring options that will allow Wade and Lebron ample time to rest up... although again if it costs us Haslem I'm not interested

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Again, Nene would not be a huge upgrade for our rebounding at the center position. One could easily make the argument that the Bosh/Haslem frontline would rebound better than Bosh/Nene.

Nene is a poor rebounder for a center.

[MartyCONLONNN]

Tim, but what's the TRB% numbers in comparison to Joel's? Because even though you could make the Haslem/Bosh claim over Bosh/Nene, Bosh/Nene would still be better than last year's Bosh/Joel (and I expect Bosh's rebounding to a tad better this year, or hoping at least)

Not to mention the other things Nene could bring to the table I think it's fair to say Nene would make this team more dangerous especially bringing a fully recovered Haslem of the bench. But going just by needs... if Dalembert is cheaper and doesn't cost us a key player, that's the way to go. I WILL BE HAPPY

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Joel is a terrible, awful rebounder for a center, granted, I'm just saying that it's a stretch to talk about Nene like a big upgrade there. By those same standards, simply playing Haslem, Z or Magloire over Joel also qualifies as an upgrade.

Dalembert is actually a very good rebounder for a center, and would make a significant difference.

[Mars]

In addition to Dalembert being a better rebounder and defender than Nene, he's also a virtual ironman in terms of health.

Over the past five seasons Dalembert has missed just 2 games, playing in 408 of 410 possible games, which factors out to 99% played. He's appeared in all 82 games five times in his career.

Over the past five seasons Nene has missed 96 games, playing in 314 of 410 games, which factors out to 77% played. He's appeared in all 82 games one time in his career. Six seasons ago he played only 1 game all year.

[MartyCONLONNN]

I think the season you may be talking about is the one where Nene had to miss time to treat testicular cancer, scary stuff. I may be wrong but I think I can remember him missing time for that.