OT - Gasol to Lakers

Nebula1 · Post #121 » by **Nebula1** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 2:02 am

LukePliska wrote:Lakers vs. Celtics finals.

For the League maybe...

I still wouldn't mind seeing Duncan and Garnett square off once and for all.

I guess I'm still very much a Detroit fan as well and wouldn't mind seeing them go for 1 more.

Newz · Post #122 » by **Newz** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 2:03 am

Nebula1 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

For the League maybe...

I still wouldn't mind seeing Duncan and Garnett square off once and for all.

I guess I'm still very much a Detroit fan as well and wouldn't mind seeing them go for 1 more.

Well for the league the ratings would be through the roof... Not to mention the star power in that series would make it a blast to watch.

I would also love to see KG vs. Duncan as well.

http://www.last.fm/user/DPF55 · Post #123 » by **Buck You** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 2:18 am

I want to see Suns/Celtics.

Nebula1 · Post #124 » by **Nebula1** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 2:20 am

LukePliska wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well for the league the ratings would be through the roof... Not to mention the star power in that series would make it a blast to watch.

I would also love to see KG vs. Duncan as well.

It would be pretty excellent to see those two go at it again.

It seems like the League over the last 5 years or so is really trying to solidify it's product and I'd say it's becoming successful at it. I can't stress enough how big of a deal the age rule is to the game.

1. the players come in better
2. the drafts are deeper
3. the casual college fan (who hates pros) knows guys in the NBA now

5 years from now the League is gonna be dominated by players everybody watched in college at least a little bit.

Nebula1 · Post #125 » by **Nebula1** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 2:23 am

I just want the NBA to do a League tournament, where the top 7 seeds get byes and the rest of the teams play a 1 and done to get the 8 seed.

TheGhostDog · Post #126 » by **TheGhostDog** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 2:51 am

Lakers also get the Grizzlies second round draft choice in 2010, which is likely to be pretty comparable to their own 1st in 2010 they gave away. Meanwhile the Lakers picks will be first rounders in name only, probably in the 24-30 range. So the Grizz basically got an expiring contract, a second, and a chance to move up 10ish spots on what is effectively another 2nd rounder. Jeez what an awful trade. If Stern didn't promise the Grizz a lottery win they are clearly insane.

More Bang For The Bucks · Post #127 » by **More Bang For The Bucks** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 2:52 am

I posted on the Memphis board back in the summer Gasol will be dealt by the deadline and Memphis will be right there in the mix to get hometown hero Derek Rose. If Memphis gets him Conley will obviously be dealt. Trading Gasol the right thing to do but should have got another young talent from the Lakers. But getting screwed in this deal is much better than picking 7-12 in the lottery which is likely where the Bucks will be if they stay healthy and don't trade Redd. Good Gms build with great drafts and trades. Bad GMs ruin teams with bad FA signings. Any GM can draft well with lottery picks.

Oh yeah the conspiracy lives since 1978. First Boston, now the Lakers. Who's next? Chicago or New York once Isiah is gone.

schweig · Post #128 » by **schweig** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 3:04 am

Why '78, the early Bird pick? It would've been funny if they still had that rule in the '90s so Jonathan Bender and LeBron could've been picked as 6th-graders.

schweig · Post #129 » by **schweig** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 7:00 am

PS Nice day for Aaron McKie! We need to pay you about $3.5M prorated to get this thing done, would you be willing to go to Memphis for a few months and get some ribs before you go back to whatever you were doing?

MilBucksBackOnTop06 · Post #130 » by **MilBucksBackOnTop06** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:12 am

Another conspiratorial trade...just like McHale and Ainge hook upm that sent KG in a steal to the Celtics.

In collusion the former Lakers VP Jerry West and GM Mitch Kupchak hook up to bring Gasol to the Lakers with NBA's blessing to restore the Lakers vs Celtics rivalry in the NBA to make more money...

Surely the Bucks could have offered more...?

All it took to get Gasol was Crittendon two picks and Kwame Brown!? :roll:

Ah, intrigue...

Craig McDermott · Post #131 » by **Craig McDermott** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 3:07 pm

rilamann wrote:Big trade for the Lakers obviously and they are improved but its not enough in my opinion to put them in the NBA finals .

They still dont beat the Spurs in a 7 game series.

They still dont beat the Suns in a 7 game series.

They still dont beat the Mavs in a 7 game series.

You're fooling yourself re: the Suns claim. Their donut middle is going to be firebombed.

Dallas can't stop Kobe, and probably not Bynum (tho he hasn't played them yet). They're in trouble.

Spurs are the toughest challenge for LA.

Craig McDermott · Post #132 » by **Craig McDermott** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 3:12 pm

More Bang For The Bucks wrote:Oh yeah the conspiracy lives since 1978.

Bird was a 5th year senior, not a minor. What was the conspiracy there?

Incidentally, the Smelts got that pick because their owner traded franchise rights and a group of picks/players to the guy who owned the Buffalo Braves, who promptly moved them out to San Diego. The Braves guy had the option to take back one of the picks and declined. The pick became a high one; the pick became Bird. Bad move, but it bears mentioning that Bird, McHale, Parish, Magic, and Worthy were all begotten by absolute blind luck through simple trades made with other teams.

SupremeHustle · Post #133 » by **SupremeHustle** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 3:29 pm

Post #134 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 4:12 pm

I love the Laker fans justifying the trade......

Those guys were born on third base and keep wanting to claim they hit a triple.....

REDDzone · Post #135 » by **REDDzone** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 4:57 pm

Spurs > Lakers

(in the playoffs at least)

MrLynch07 · Post #136 » by **MrLynch07** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 5:03 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:I love the Laker fans justifying the trade......

Those guys were born on third base and keep wanting to claim they hit a triple.....

couldn't be more right.

drew881 · Post #137 » by **drew881** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 6:50 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:I love the Laker fans justifying the trade......

Those guys were born on third base and keep wanting to claim they hit a triple.....

Say what you want, but Kupchak put the Lakers in good position where they had an expiring salary, and were willing to dump it along with a couple picks to make the trade. He could have packaged Brown and Bynum a while back, but stayed patient. He could have traded Odom stayed patient.

They probably could have pulled the trigger on trading Kwame a while ago for much less desirable offers, but traded in their chips at the perfect time. If it was another team making this trade, we wouldn't react as badly.

I don't want to turn this into a trade Redd thread, but if we traded him now for someone young and someone expiring in a couple years, we could cash it all in 2 years down the line when Gadz and Bobby are coming off the books. In the meantime we could develop 4-5 solid players in Mo, Yi, Bogut, and whoever we could get for Redd.

The Lakers would have had to go through this same process. In a way they did, but the difference is they never really had to dip very far into mediocrity because Kobe Bryant is that good.

More Bang For The Bucks · Post #138 » by **More Bang For The Bucks** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 8:05 pm

Great point MBBOT. I forgot about the Jerry West factor. That makes it even more obvious. The league won't let the Lakers be down for long. Wilt, Kareem, and Shaq all started their careers with other teams didn't they?

Not gonna research the specifics now. But I think 78 was the year the NO Jazz traded their #1 pick in 79 basically for a washed up Gail Goodrich and maybe some other garbage? The Jazz were horrible that year, the Lakers win the coin flip(of course they did Kareem was there) and draft Magic Johnson. The Bulls get David Greenwood and the rest is history. Magic and Bird weren't gonna save the league with Magic playing in Utah!, who just moved in via New Orleans.

As far as Bird goes that was the brilliance of Auerbach to draft Bird at #6 a year early in a horrible draft. The conspiracy with Boston was Golden State giving away McHale and Parish for Joe Barry Carroll. That deal was put into place once Bird arrived in Boston. Still I would say the most lopsided trade in history along with Kobe for Vlade Divac.

Wally Cleaver · Post #139 » by **Wally Cleaver** » Sat Feb 2, 2008 11:05 pm

More Bang For The Bucks wrote:Great point MBBOT. I forgot about the Jerry West factor. That makes it even more obvious. The league won't let the Lakers be down for long. Wilt, Kareem, and Shaq all started their careers with other teams didn't they?

Not gonna research the specifics now. But I think 78 was the year the NO Jazz traded their #1 pick in 79 basically for a washed up Gail Goodrich and maybe some other garbage? The Jazz were horrible that year, the Lakers win the coin flip(of course they did Kareem was there) and draft Magic Johnson. The Bulls get David Greenwood and the rest is history. Magic and Bird weren't gonna save the league with Magic playing in Utah!, who just moved in via New Orleans.

As far as Bird goes that was the brilliance of Auerbach to draft Bird at #6 a year early in a horrible draft. The conspiracy with Boston was Golden State giving away McHale and Parish for Joe Barry Carroll. That deal was put into place once Bird arrived in Boston. Still I would say the most lopsided trade in history along with Kobe for Vlade Divac.

Are you blaming other teams for helping the Lakers and Celts? Judging by how many teams have lost to them and how many fans hate them, I can't see the league doing this by design.

RE Goodrich. That happened in 76. Teams got compensated back then for losing vet FAs. It wasn't technically a trade. Utah/NO elected to give up a 79 first rounder to LA. Then, NO was the worst team in 79 and there were no protected picks back then. Lakers got Worthy #1 a year after winning a title from a trade made w/ Cleveland in 79 (which included an 82 first rounder). Cleveland was the worst team in 82, toin coss. Celtics got the pick that went to GS for Parish/McHale via a trade with Detroit in 80. Detroit was the worst team in 80, toin coss.