2024 NBA Draft Thread - June 26/27

[Bernman]

Bowen was startable mainly because he played between Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili AND became a legit elite level corner shooter. He lead the league in 3 point shooting one year despite being an awful FT shooter.

I think that development is really hard to assume in any player, and by the time it’d potentially develop a few years down the road, this Bucks team would need more dynamic offensive threats (assuming Mids and Dame don’t find some font of youth).

I’m not against Dunn, but I think you need to view him as a one way guy.

Well said. I'm in the same position.

I'll throw out Trevor Ariza as an example. 5 times he was top 20 in All Defense voting. But wasn't until his 5th season when he was able to shoot in the 30s even & a team felt they could justify playing him even (barely) half the game. By that point he was on his 3rd club. And it wasn't until his 9th season, 6th team, until he was unequivocally a good enough 3 pt shooter to be an asset.

Kris Dunn was 11th in All Defense voting, but was traded already after his first season, & washed out of the league in a few yrs due to his bad offense. He's had a rejuvenation...to a guy we're talking about maybe adding w/ the TPMLE (if we have it).

Ryan Dunn could be even better than his defensive brother, and he may develop shooting/scoring, but what use will it be to us? If we have to sell players low because they haven't developed yet, we don't benefit. That's not factored in enough. Projects usually benefit someone else. That could be true of Dunn, or he's a useful but very flawed role guy early. Is that a good equation? There are plenty of worse options, but plenty of better ones too, imo.

[ShootingtheJ]

I do think Dunn has a couple pathways to develop offensively, that’s not just predicated on his shot improving.

He could also develop into an active screen and roll guy. With his pretty damn elite athleticism, he could be a viable threat, and possibly somewhat early, because he’d be paired with Dame.

Dunn is pretty good attacking off the dribble, but Virginia's offense isn't built to showcase that. Dunn can finish at the hoop.

It's just also important to remember he only hit 50% from the free throw line. He's light years from making 3s.

[bdpecore]

My top 3 prospects I'd select at 23 are: DaRon Holmes II, Ryan Dunn and Terrence Shannon Jr. All three are able to contribute as rookies and fill at least one current roster need.

At 33, I'd target players with high BBIQ who offer some glue guy intangibles (i.e. passing, hustle, off-ball movement, positional versatility, good feel for the game). Guys like Kevin McCullar Jr, Baylor Scheierman, Ajay Mitchell, Dillon Jones, Jonathan Mogbo, Jamal Shead and Oso Ighodaro all seem like good fits next to the Bucks core players. I really hope Horst finds a way to acquire another pick in this draft as I believe there are a lot of players who could carve out solid careers as rotational players in the 20-40 range.

[Badgerlander]

Mavs just made the finals with a starting center that could pretty much only catch lobs

[Bernman]

Mavs just made the finals with a starting center that could pretty much only catch lobs

Lively's a center. Dunn's probably a SF. Not the same size for rim protection, rebounding, & finishing inside.

[emunney]

Dunn was actually 18-42 from midrange this year, which is pretty weird in the context of his terrible 3pt and FT numbers.

[Ron Swanson]

Mavs just made the finals with a starting center that could pretty much only catch lobs

Lively's a center. Dunn's probably a SF. Not the same size for rim protection, rebounding, & finishing inside.

Dunn is by all means and logic a switchable "big" that can guard up or down. He's one of the best sub 6'10 rim-protectors you'll ever find, and he's got a better per-minute rebound rate than half the 7-footers in this draft (Missi, Filipowski, Sarr). Those aren't weaknesses of his at all.

[BigO]

I'm checking in with quick opinions:

1) Bucks need defensive players and Dunn looks very good. But if the Bucks go to a primarily switching defense, having Dunn's skillset will be minimized as teams will force the switch on the guy he's guarding.

His usefulness will be when the Bucks keep him on an impact offensive player and either play the drop with no switching or hedge and retreat. Teams like the Celtics never have to worry about it, since they have so many good defenders.

2) I've watched Terrence Shannon quite a bit and I think I saw him drive to the hoop once or twice. His entire game is to set up his outside shot, which is not very efficient. I'm not sure what else he can do.

3) I also watched Ware a lot and his skillset is impressive. I don't think he gets anywhere close to #23. My only hesitation on him is his motor and the fact that I thought Christian Wood was very skillful and he was a bust.

[Bernman]

Dunn is by all means and logic a switchable "big" that can guard up or down. He's one of the best sub 6'10 rim-protectors you'll ever find, and he's got a better per-minute rebound rate than half the 7-footers in this draft (Missi, Filipowski, Sarr). Those aren't weaknesses of his at all.

I didn't say they were weaknesses. Just that you could rarely get away w/ playing him at C at either end.

[DingleJerry]

I'm checking in with quick opinions:

1) Bucks need defensive players and Dunn looks very good. But if the Bucks go to a primarily switching defense, having Dunn's skillset will be minimized as teams will force the switch on the guy he's guarding.

His usefulness will be when the Bucks keep him on an impact offensive player and either play the drop with no switching or hedge and retreat. Teams like the Celtics never have to worry about it, since they have so many good defenders.

2) I've watched Terrence Shannon quite a bit and I think I saw him drive to the hoop once or twice. His entire game is to set up his outside shot, which is not very efficient. I'm not sure what else he can do.

3) I also watched Ware a lot and his skillset is impressive. I don't think he gets anywhere close to #23. My only hesitation on him is his motor and the fact that I thought Christian Wood was very skillful and he was a bust.

Good post, but my takeaway watching a lot of Ill this year was the opposite on Shannon. I gave him a plus for relentlessly attacking, drawing fouls in the process and being a bull in transition like a smaller Giannis. Thinking back it was mostly open court so perhaps you're focusing on half court with your comments. But before posting I grabbed the first scouting report that came up to make sure I wasn't thinking of someone else, and it had this listed first under his "signature strengths", later it said he drew 9 FTs per game.

"Attacking

Shannon looks like lightning in the open floor with how fast he can take a rebound or an outlet pass and blow by backpedaling defenses. He's a weapon with and without the ball on fast breaks.

In the half court, he has a quick first step off the catch and his dribble move. He slices through gaps and beats rim protectors to the rim."

[msiris]

I'm checking in with quick opinions:

1) Bucks need defensive players and Dunn looks very good. But if the Bucks go to a primarily switching defense, having Dunn's skillset will be minimized as teams will force the switch on the guy he's guarding.

His usefulness will be when the Bucks keep him on an impact offensive player and either play the drop with no switching or hedge and retreat. Teams like the Celtics never have to worry about it, since they have so many good defenders.

2) I've watched Terrence Shannon quite a bit and I think I saw him drive to the hoop once or twice. His entire game is to set up his outside shot, which is not very efficient. I'm not sure what else he can do.

3) I also watched Ware a lot and his skillset is impressive. I don't think he gets anywhere close to #23. My only hesitation on him is his motor and the fact that I thought Christian Wood was very skillful and he was a bust.

Good post, but my takeaway watching a lot of Ill this year was the opposite on Shannon. I gave him a plus for relentlessly attacking, drawing fouls in the process and being a bull in transition like a smaller Giannis. Thinking back it was mostly open court so perhaps you're focusing on half court with your comments. But before posting I grabbed the first scouting report that came up to make sure I wasn't thinking of someone else, and it had this listed first under his "signature strengths", later it said he drew 9 FTs per game.

"Attacking

Shannon looks like lightning in the open floor with how fast he can take a rebound or an outlet pass and blow by backpedaling defenses. He's a weapon with and without the ball on fast breaks.

In the half court, he has a quick first step off the catch and his dribble move. He slices through gaps and beats rim protectors to the rim."

Just watched his highlight reel from last year. He attacked the rim quite abit last year. He also played good d as well. Rather have him at 23 than Dunn. Would be great to get Dunn at 33.

[emunney]

I don't know what pathology compels me to say this*, but there's so little difference between 23 and 33 that if you want a player, you should be happy to get them at either spot.

*ETA I could start every post this way

[FrieAaron]

I don't know what pathology compels me to say this*, but there's so little difference between 23 and 33 that if you want a player, you should be happy to get them at either spot.

*ETA I could start every post this way

From what I've seen this weak draft means it's great for us picking 23 and 33. There's very little consensus, but statistically there are going to be some solid starters in the NBA. We just have to hope to get lucky and find them and a couple very well may drop to us. A lot of the guys I like are projected to go anywhere from the late teens to the second round.

[Frank Nova]

This draft is weak with star talent but looks rather fruitful when it comes to potential role players helping teams win basketball games. I don’t mind picking in the early 20s this year. 21 would be more desirable and if I had my way I’d LOVE to pry that 17th pick away from LA, but 23 should be a real nice spot to land someone that can compete at practices and grow into a small useful role during the RS.

[bdpecore]

I'm checking in with quick opinions:

1) Bucks need defensive players and Dunn looks very good. But if the Bucks go to a primarily switching defense, having Dunn's skillset will be minimized as teams will force the switch on the guy he's guarding.

His usefulness will be when the Bucks keep him on an impact offensive player and either play the drop with no switching or hedge and retreat. Teams like the Celtics never have to worry about it, since they have so many good defenders.

2) I've watched Terrence Shannon quite a bit and I think I saw him drive to the hoop once or twice. His entire game is to set up his outside shot, which is not very efficient. I'm not sure what else he can do.

3) I also watched Ware a lot and his skillset is impressive. I don't think he gets anywhere close to #23. My only hesitation on him is his motor and the fact that I thought Christian Wood was very skillful and he was a bust.

Good post, but my takeaway watching a lot of Ill this year was the opposite on Shannon. I gave him a plus for relentlessly attacking, drawing fouls in the process and being a bull in transition like a smaller Giannis. Thinking back it was mostly open court so perhaps you're focusing on half court with your comments. But before posting I grabbed the first scouting report that came up to make sure I wasn't thinking of someone else, and it had this listed first under his "signature strengths", later it said he drew 9 FTs per game.

"Attacking

Shannon looks like lightning in the open floor with how fast he can take a rebound or an outlet pass and blow by backpedaling defenses. He's a weapon with and without the ball on fast breaks.

In the half court, he has a quick first step off the catch and his dribble move. He slices through gaps and beats rim protectors to the rim."

Just watched his highlight reel from last year. He attacked the rim quite abit last year. He also played good d as well. Rather have him at 23 than Dunn. Would be great to get Dunn at 33.

My ideal draft would be Holmes at 23; McCullar/Shannon at 33 and find a way to add another 2nd to draft Mogbo. This draft class makes Milwaukee more athletic while adding more defensive versatility and shot creators. I can see Holmes replacing Bobby's role as their 3rd big allowing Horst to flip him for a starting SG.

[BigO]

I'm checking in with quick opinions:

1) Bucks need defensive players and Dunn looks very good. But if the Bucks go to a primarily switching defense, having Dunn's skillset will be minimized as teams will force the switch on the guy he's guarding.

His usefulness will be when the Bucks keep him on an impact offensive player and either play the drop with no switching or hedge and retreat. Teams like the Celtics never have to worry about it, since they have so many good defenders.

2) I've watched Terrence Shannon quite a bit and I think I saw him drive to the hoop once or twice. His entire game is to set up his outside shot, which is not very efficient. I'm not sure what else he can do.

3) I also watched Ware a lot and his skillset is impressive. I don't think he gets anywhere close to #23. My only hesitation on him is his motor and the fact that I thought Christian Wood was very skillful and he was a bust.

Good post, but my takeaway watching a lot of Ill this year was the opposite on Shannon. I gave him a plus for relentlessly attacking, drawing fouls in the process and being a bull in transition like a smaller Giannis. Thinking back it was mostly open court so perhaps you're focusing on half court with your comments. But before posting I grabbed the first scouting report that came up to make sure I wasn't thinking of someone else, and it had this listed first under his "signature strengths", later it said he drew 9 FTs per game.

"Attacking

Shannon looks like lightning in the open floor with how fast he can take a rebound or an outlet pass and blow by backpedaling defenses. He's a weapon with and without the ball on fast breaks.

In the half court, he has a quick first step off the catch and his dribble move. He slices through gaps and beats rim protectors to the rim."

Just watched his highlight reel from last year. He attacked the rim quite abit last year. He also played good d as well. Rather have him at 23 than Dunn. Would be great to get Dunn at 33.

Thanks for the feedback. He definitely can take it to the rim on fast breaks. Very fast, although not much of a right hand, like most left handers. In the half court, whenever I saw him, he would attack the basket as a set up for his pull up, rarely trying to finish.

I consider him a poor man's Kelly Oubre, although Oubre attacked the basket in half court more. I think Shannon may be a little quicker with his dribble.

The Bucks desperately need someone who can guard the perimeter. If Dunn is quick enough to be on an island against elite guards, I take him, with the understanding that's all I'm getting.

[machu46]

Still have some scouting to do, but I think my big board is shaping up to look something like this:

1. Reed Sheppard
2. Ron Holland
3. Devin Carter
4. Zaccharie Risacher
5. Alex Sarr
6. Jared McCain
7. Cody Williams
8. Matas Buzelis
9. Donovan Clingan
10. Stephon Castle
11. Zach Edey
12. Rob Dillingham
13. Dalton Knecht
14. Kel'el Ware
15. Isaiah Collier
16. Johnny Furphy
17. Nikola Topic
18. Yves Messi
19. Ja'Kobe Walter
20. Tristan Da Silva
21. Terrence Shannon Jr.
22. Bub Carrington
23. Baylor Scheierman
24. Kyshawn George
25. Jaylon Tyson
26. Kyle Filipowski
27. DaRon Holmes
28. Ryan Dunn
29. Harrison Ingram
30. Dillon Jones
31. Jaylen Wells
32. Kevin McCullar Jr.
33. Adem Bona
34. Quinten Post
35. Jamal Shead

If we stay at 23, it seems like the highest rated guys that are theoretical possibilities would be:

Kel'el Ware
Isaiah Collier
Johnny Furphy
Yves Messi
Terrence Shannon

Feels like at least one of those guys will likely be available.

If we end up making a trade that nets us a lottery pick, I'd be trying to target Holland, Carter, or McCain.

[ShootingtheJ]

Mavs just made the finals with a starting center that could pretty much only catch lobs

Yup, offenses can work well with 1. However, if we added a non shooter, we'd have 2. Maybe that can work, but it would be tricky.

[ShootingtheJ]

Dunn was actually 18-42 from midrange this year, which is pretty weird in the context of his terrible 3pt and FT numbers.

My main takeaway with Dunn is that his agent should be fired for not letting him play in the combine games.

[Badgerlander]

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