Bucks Summer League Games - Game 5 vs Washington - Saturday - 3:00 - ESPN

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Yeah at least some Prunty level guys.

It feels like the team has treated the last few summer leagues as if they're noon ball games at some random Y gym. Just a disorganized mess. We were 0-5 and had a negative -18.0 ppg Diff, the worst of any team.

I think the organization should be embarrassed. You'd like to hope Doc would have organized and run this thing. But I think he went back to golfing with Larry David after a day one appearance.

but why would you prioritize winning in summer league? doesnt that seem like the exact opposite of what a franchise should be prioritizing over 5 games each summer?

id think youd try to get guys youd want to take a look at both on and off the court. interact with them. eat with them. watch them socialize. keep them healthy. as for play tell them a few simple specific goals youd like to see on the court the way they do in showcase ball for the kids. showcase softball for my daughters they didnt even keep score. college coaches were looking more at skill and body language and didnt want players to be influenced by strategy or coaches trying to win games with such a short window to evaluate

i guess even for example..... at the combine why is it we never hear about which guys led their teams to victory? is that a goal there as well? dudes are trying to put up numbers and showcase themselves. teams are all for it too id imagine.

but franchises grabbing guys youd have no intention or interest in longterm and then expecting them to gel and play team ball just to "construct a 5 game winner" in summer league seems kind of crazy to me

[Ron Swanson]

I mean, I can see the rough outline of a special player in AJ based on the raw athleticism and quickness, but we're probably doing the thing where we're overrating his potential simply because he's a breath of fresh air compared to the sparse, largely mediocre prospects we've drafted in recent memory. The mid-air body control is something you can't teach, but I'm gonna need to see him make strides with his foot placement and elevation on his jumper before I start to really believe. At some point he'll need to show something better than 27-32% from 3 and 57-60% from the line.

[Brewhoopfan]

Yeah at least some Prunty level guys.

It feels like the team has treated the last few summer leagues as if they're noon ball games at some random Y gym. Just a disorganized mess. We were 0-5 and had a negative -18.0 ppg Diff, the worst of any team.

I think the organization should be embarrassed. You'd like to hope Doc would have organized and run this thing. But I think he went back to golfing with Larry David after a day one appearance.

but why would you prioritize winning in summer league? doesnt that seem like the exact opposite of what a franchise should be prioritizing over 5 games each summer?

id think youd try to get guys youd want to take a look at both on and off the court. interact with them. eat with them. watch them socialize. keep them healthy. as for play tell them a few simple specific goals youd like to see on the court the way they do in showcase ball for the kids. showcase softball for my daughters they didnt even keep score. college coaches were looking more at skill and body language and didnt want players to be influenced by strategy or coaches trying to win games with such a short window to evaluate

i guess even for example..... at the combine why is it we never hear about which guys led their teams to victory? is that a goal there as well? dudes are trying to put up numbers and showcase themselves. teams are all for it too id imagine.

but franchises grabbing guys youd have no intention or interest in longterm and then expecting them to gel and play team ball just to "construct a 5 game winner" in summer league seems kind of crazy to me

I completely understand what you're saying, but I'd be a lot more excited about players who weren't getting their a$$ kicked.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

It feels like the team has treated the last few summer leagues as if they're noon ball games at some random Y gym. Just a disorganized mess. We were 0-5 and had a negative -18.0 ppg Diff, the worst of any team.

I think the organization should be embarrassed. You'd like to hope Doc would have organized and run this thing. But I think he went back to golfing with Larry David after a day one appearance.

but why would you prioritize winning in summer league? doesnt that seem like the exact opposite of what a franchise should be prioritizing over 5 games each summer?

id think youd try to get guys youd want to take a look at both on and off the court. interact with them. eat with them. watch them socialize. keep them healthy. as for play tell them a few simple specific goals youd like to see on the court the way they do in showcase ball for the kids. showcase softball for my daughters they didnt even keep score. college coaches were looking more at skill and body language and didnt want players to be influenced by strategy or coaches trying to win games with such a short window to evaluate

i guess even for example..... at the combine why is it we never hear about which guys led their teams to victory? is that a goal there as well? dudes are trying to put up numbers and showcase themselves. teams are all for it too id imagine.

but franchises grabbing guys youd have no intention or interest in longterm and then expecting them to gel and play team ball just to "construct a 5 game winner" in summer league seems kind of crazy to me

I completely understand what you're saying, but I'd be a lot more excited about players who weren't getting their a$$ kicked.

completely understand but thats why i dont watch it.

team scrimmages i could perhaps enjoy but jv open tryouts give me a break right?

[AussieBuck]

I love Summer League. Plenty to get out of it. Seeing guys rise above the mess is fun.

[Jez2983]

I love Summer League. Plenty to get out of it. Seeing guys rise above the mess is fun.

Yep, definitely.

AJJo is more likely to not succeed than he is to succeed, but I absolutely see why we picked him and I'm really excited about him as a prospect. We've had our blind Hammond pick, maybe it's time for a blind Horst pick.

[AussieBuck]

I love Summer League. Plenty to get out of it. Seeing guys rise above the mess is fun.

Yep, definitely.

AJJo is more likely to not succeed than he is to succeed, but I absolutely see why we picked him and I'm really excited about him as a prospect. We've had our blind Hammond pick, maybe it's time for a blind Horst pick.

Would have been filling in the days watching all his NBL junk time minutes if not for Summer League. This way we got to see him take threes that would have got benched anywhere else post high school and he even threw down a dunk that had shades of the Giannis style, can he really dunk from there thing.

You're right, odds are odds but damn this kid requires the least amount of wishcasting in a young wing than anyone else I can think of. Hope he's following Giannis and Pat into the gym and doing skills with Dame 24/7

[paulpressey25]

but why would you prioritize winning in summer league? doesnt that seem like the exact opposite of what a franchise should be prioritizing over 5 games each summer?

Not suggesting we bring in a veteran Plumlee brother and Isaiah Thomas vets to win a SL title. Am suggesting though that our GM and coaching staff actually try.

Last week our organization did not give an F over anything, and I don’t think it is necessarily helpful to player development. I mean they literally didn’t care. We had a -18ppg DIFF and the next worst team was -10.6 and the next -7.4. You have to work to do that.

https://www.espn.com/nba-summer-league/standings/_/sort/differential/dir/asc

My concern with Doc at the top of this organization is that he’s not guy who builds a system and team culture.

[Jez2983]

I love Summer League. Plenty to get out of it. Seeing guys rise above the mess is fun.

Yep, definitely.

AJJo is more likely to not succeed than he is to succeed, but I absolutely see why we picked him and I'm really excited about him as a prospect. We've had our blind Hammond pick, maybe it's time for a blind Horst pick.

Would have been filling in the days watching all his NBL junk time minutes if not for Summer League. This way we got to see him take threes that would have got benched anywhere else post high school and he even threw down a dunk that had shades of the Giannis style, can he really dunk from there thing.

You're right, odds are odds but damn this kid requires the least amount of wishcasting in a young wing than anyone else I can think of. Hope he's following Giannis and Pat into the gym and doing skills with Dame 24/7

I think I'm just sick of people patting themselves on the back when some kid fails. It's pretty **** to be honest. I hope he makes it, I hope they all do. As you say, he's got some real exciting tools, just Dairy Bird does.

[paulpressey25]

I think I'm just sick of people patting themselves on the back when some kid fails. It's pretty **** to be honest. I hope he makes it, I hope they all do. As you say, he's got some real exciting tools, just Dairy Bird does.

With young players it is always about whether or not they show flashes of greatness. AJ Johnson showed flashes of greatness. He did some stuff out there very few guys in the league can do.

Now whether he can take the next step is unknown. But something is there. Something more than we ever saw from guys like Potsie, Thon, etc.

[higharc]

With young players it is always about whether or not they show flashes of greatness. AJ Johnson showed flashes of greatness. He did some stuff out there very few guys in the league can do.

Now whether he can take the next step is unknown. But something is there. Something more than we ever saw from guys like Potsie, Thon, etc.

Exactly. Then they have to figure out consistency and recognition when to apply it in order to be really useful (as playoff minutes).

I read at some point a story about Giannis. He had gained the height and the first pounds of muscle and he was starting to be more aggressive in the paint. He was talking about it with his manager and had a realization: "I can do this all the time"...

[blazza18]

We had a -18ppg DIFF and the next worst team was -10.6 and the next -7.4. You have to work to do that.

https://www.espn.com/nba-summer-league/standings/_/sort/differential/dir/asc

Just checked the standings back to 2017. Bucks have had the worst point differential 3 different times and -18 was by far the worst too. Quite impressive how little the organisation cares tbh.

[AussieBuck]

I don't need the team to deeply care about Summer League but it does come off as weird when your whole thing revolves around an all time big and you go into summer league like it's a dare to get through the whole fortnight with a rec league big man rotation.

[German Athens]

We had a -18ppg DIFF and the next worst team was -10.6 and the next -7.4. You have to work to do that.

https://www.espn.com/nba-summer-league/standings/_/sort/differential/dir/asc

Just checked the standings back to 2017. Bucks have had the worst point differential 3 different times and -18 was by far the worst too. Quite impressive how little the organisation cares tbh.

Yeah, even our 2014 squad with Giannis and Jabari sported a -10 point differential and finished 1-4. We’ve just never cared as an organization, and that’s fine, but for us basketball junkies it’s tough.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

but why would you prioritize winning in summer league? doesnt that seem like the exact opposite of what a franchise should be prioritizing over 5 games each summer?

Not suggesting we bring in a veteran Plumlee brother and Isaiah Thomas vets to win a SL title. Am suggesting though that our GM and coaching staff actually try.

Last week our organization did not give an F over anything, and I don’t think it is necessarily helpful to player development. I mean they literally didn’t care. We had a -18ppg DIFF and the next worst team was -10.6 and the next -7.4. You have to work to do that.

https://www.espn.com/nba-summer-league/standings/_/sort/differential/dir/asc

My concern with Doc at the top of this organization is that he’s not guy who builds a system and team culture.

if the goal was to highlight 2-3 players and we got that result then A+

obviouysly we could have taken the ball out of their hands and emphasized "team ball"

if the front office saw what they needed then great. if not it wasnt because we brought in experience thats for sure. draw a conclusion off guys like marjon. im sure the decision makers did

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I don't need the team to deeply care about Summer League but it does come off as weird when your whole thing revolves around an all time big and you go into summer league like it's a dare to get through the whole fortnight with a rec league big man rotation.

its 5 games. who seriously gives a crap. im sure any given year if we prioritized winning it could happen. we dont. were consistent with it and it makes sense

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

We had a -18ppg DIFF and the next worst team was -10.6 and the next -7.4. You have to work to do that.

https://www.espn.com/nba-summer-league/standings/_/sort/differential/dir/asc

Just checked the standings back to 2017. Bucks have had the worst point differential 3 different times and -18 was by far the worst too. Quite impressive how little the organisation cares tbh.

jv tryouts. the only thing working against us is that they keep stats

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I think I'm just sick of people patting themselves on the back when some kid fails. It's pretty **** to be honest. I hope he makes it, I hope they all do. As you say, he's got some real exciting tools, just Dairy Bird does.

With young players it is always about whether or not they show flashes of greatness. AJ Johnson showed flashes of greatness. He did some stuff out there very few guys in the league can do.

Now whether he can take the next step is unknown. But something is there. Something more than we ever saw from guys like Potsie, Thon, etc.

there you go. i saw all i needed to see to agree!

but hes A bum for winning in summer league. no doubt about that.

giannis was too. but he got his reps in. so props to the org for getting their priorities straight. there is that!

[emunney]

but why would you prioritize winning in summer league? doesnt that seem like the exact opposite of what a franchise should be prioritizing over 5 games each summer?

Not suggesting we bring in a veteran Plumlee brother and Isaiah Thomas vets to win a SL title. Am suggesting though that our GM and coaching staff actually try.

Last week our organization did not give an F over anything, and I don’t think it is necessarily helpful to player development. I mean they literally didn’t care. We had a -18ppg DIFF and the next worst team was -10.6 and the next -7.4. You have to work to do that.

https://www.espn.com/nba-summer-league/standings/_/sort/differential/dir/asc

My concern with Doc at the top of this organization is that he’s not guy who builds a system and team culture.

Yeah, there are degrees. Doing whatever we can to have a winning team is not it, but attempting competitive play every time a team with "Bucks" on the jersey takes the floor should be. And if the priority was getting reps for AJ, why'd he only play 22mpg?

The Bucks were careless across the board. In no sense is it good to have by far the worst team. What exactly is that supposed to teach about how we handle things?

[BigO]

The Bucks losing in summer league has nothing to do with "prioritizing" winning. It has everything to do with having less talent than the other teams.

Except for the last game, the Bucks played their top players most of the games. They were losing with the Bucks top draft choices the last three years. They just aren't that good. Horst is a better signer of vet talent than he is of drafting.

As to Johnson, he may be great, but I saw no signs of greatness on display. He may very well be a great athlete, but he showed no basketball greatness- not a good ball handler for a point guard, can't shoot and much more.