Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Sign Pete Nance to 2-way

[-Jragon-]

I can't believe I didn't want to trade Khris for Jimmy.

Most of the board didn't lol.... 2 diff times ... it's wild

[Dick Tate]

I can't believe I didn't want to trade Khris for Jimmy.

Most of the board didn't lol.... 2 diff times ... it's wild

The debate was less about Khris and more about the ‘31 1st.

[-Jragon-]

I can't believe I didn't want to trade Khris for Jimmy.

Most of the board didn't lol.... 2 diff times ... it's wild

The debate was less about Khris and more about the ‘31 1st.

Some but...
Several posters said they don't want anything to do with J. Butler's head games/attitude/etc... this time. .

Last time it was.. we need to keep Mids bc he spreads the floor by shooting 3s and Butler doesn't

[fan230]

Not trading Pat C to get under the 2nd apron was a big mistake. As I have said before, there is an unusual reluctance to trade him away from Milwaukee.

After getting under the 2nd apron via Pat, Horst should have aggregated Khris and Bobby to get Butler or Lavine , else they should have kept Khris. trading Khris for Kuzma was a huge error.

[Fotis St]

None of this crap please.

PP25

[slos]

I liked flipping Midds for Kuzma. I didn’t like paying Johnson for that given that Kuz value was at all time low. It is what it is though.

Moving forward it could be wise adding multiple contributors like Kuzma instead of a third max player. Horst will have access to the non tax MLE in offseason. I already started the campaign for NAW! Bobby is also a keeper at MLE money.

If you can turn Pat into a starting C too, this could be a fun team next season.

[paulpressey25]

I liked flipping Midds for Kuzma. I didn’t like paying Johnson for that given that Kuz value was at all time low. It is what it is though.

Moving forward it could be wise adding multiple contributors like Kuzma instead of a third max player. Horst will have access to the non tax MLE in offseason. I already started the campaign for NAW! Bobby is also a keeper at MLE money.

If you can turn Pat into a starting C too, this could be a fun team next season.

We have a dilemma similar to the Kohl era now. Who is making the decisions in the front office? My sense is Horst has a lot more power than the Kohl GM’s but he’s still restricted. That said, Horst seems incapable of identifying any bargain talent in the draft or FA.

Then you’ve got the issue of Horst’s relationship with Giannis, which historically has been very good. Then you’ve got an ownership group smitten by Doc’s corporate talk.

We’ve got a mess on our hands.

[slos]

I liked flipping Midds for Kuzma. I didn’t like paying Johnson for that given that Kuz value was at all time low. It is what it is though.

Moving forward it could be wise adding multiple contributors like Kuzma instead of a third max player. Horst will have access to the non tax MLE in offseason. I already started the campaign for NAW! Bobby is also a keeper at MLE money.

If you can turn Pat into a starting C too, this could be a fun team next season.

We have a dilemma similar to the Kohl era now. Who is making the decisions in the front office? My sense is Horst has a lot more power than the Kohl GM’s but he’s still restricted. That said, Horst seems incapable of identifying any bargain talent in the draft or FA.

Then you’ve got the issue of Horst’s relationship with Giannis, which historically has been very good. Then you’ve got an ownership group smitten by Doc’s corporate talk.

We’ve got a mess on our hands.

That’s not totally true. He did find DDV, Brook, Bobby and has also done well in minimum signings depth pieces. Bucks are playing at the moment Jackson/Trent/Green/Rollins well deserved high minutes.

Horst biggest mistakes are IMO some overpays he has made in trades, obviously the after Bud coaching circus and not cashing in some players when he had the chance like Midds and Brook.

[pifhluk23]

Most of the board didn't lol.... 2 diff times ... it's wild

The debate was less about Khris and more about the ‘31 1st.

Some but...
Several posters said they don't want anything to do with J. Butler's head games/attitude/etc... this time. .

Last time it was.. we need to keep Mids bc he spreads the floor by shooting 3s and Butler doesn't

The first time we definitely could and should have gotten him, that's on Giannis. But yeah at the time it was like me and a handful of people who wanted that trade. It's hard for fans to take off the blinders.

This time around I wanted it again and would have thrown in whatever it took. But I don't think Jimmy wanted to come here for 2.5 years. He's talked about weather being a big deal for him and I just don't think he wanted to play with Giannis and Dame.

[BigO]

Not trading Pat C to get under the 2nd apron was a big mistake. As I have said before, there is an unusual reluctance to trade him away from Milwaukee.

After getting under the 2nd apron via Pat, Horst should have aggregated Khris and Bobby to get Butler or Lavine , else they should have kept Khris. trading Khris for Kuzma was a huge error.

Unlike most of this board, you've got it almost exactly right.

I still believe the Bucks front office wasn't going to trade PC, because of his ties to ownership and presence in Milwaukee. If PC was so unwanted by other teams, they could have thrown in AJJ or Ajax or some other asset. This is the move (or lack of) that is most shameful.

The key here is the only way that the KM for Kuzma makes sense is if the Bucks were certain beyond a reasonable doubt that KM couldn't make the playoffs. And given that he played great when he came back ( look at his efficiency, assists, rebounds), thatis hard to understand.

The dropoff between KM and Kuzma is huge. It's not Kuzma's fault. He's an athletic guy, who is as consistently inefficient as KM is efficient.

Horst has to go, not because he didn't give up the farm for Butler, but because he traded KM and kept PC.

[slos]

I already did something similar. Here is a full offseson Milwaukee plan.

Step 1 - Sign NAW with the 4/60/PO full MLE (this hard caps Milwaukee at 1st apron)
Step 2 - Bobby opts in and extends for three more seasons (4/60/PO in total too)
Step 3 - Trade Connaughton + #45 + 2031 SRP for Timelord
Step 4 - Extend Timelord for three more season too (4/60/NG in total too)
Step 5 - Resign GTJ with the BAE (2/10,5/PO)
Step 6 - Resign Brook with the min for Timelord insurance

2025/26 payroll

1. Giannis..........$54,126,450
2. Lillard...........$54,126,450
3. Kuzma...........$21,477,272 + $3,000,000 (inc)
4. NAW..............$14,104,000 (MLE)
5. Portis............$13,445,754 (opt in)
6. Williams.........$13,285,713 + $1,660,717 (inc)
7. Trent Jr..........$5,134,000 (BAE)
8. Porter Jr.........$2,546,675 (opt in)
9. Green............$2,301,587
10. Lopez...........$2,221,677 (min)
11. Jackson Jr......$2,221,677
12. Livingston......$2,221,677
13. Smith............$1,955,377
14. Rollins...........$1,955,377
15. -
- total...............$191,122,287 + $4,660,717 (inc)
- tax.................$187,900,000
- 1st apron.........$195,946,000

2025/26 depth chart

Lillard.....Green....Porter
NAW........Trent.....Rollins
Kuzma.....Jackson
Giannis....Portis.....Livingston
Williams...Lopez....Smith

Now you finally have a complete and affordable 10 deep athletic team. NAW is a natural 3 and D fit next to Dame, Williams is another high level defender and lob threat Bucks also need, Kuzma is already here to add size. Bobby keeps his 6th role, Brook finally becomes a situational big, Green/Trent/Jackson are also nice depth pieces.

[randy84]

I mean, if you're looking for a reason beyond the obvious (Doc's lineups and offensive philosophy) then sorry, can't cheer on Giannis letting mid-rangers fly (yay most inefficient shot in basketball!) as he posts career highs in usage, shot attempts, etc. while having the worst FT efficiency of his career and then turn around and ask, "why isn't the offense better?"

I’ve come to the conclusion Giannis is who he is. And we live with his Westbrook tendencies because no one can coach it out of him. Thus it’s all about figuring out which players complement him best.

Which players complimented Westbrook?

[BigO]

I think every poster needs to read the Journal interview with Horst. There's some stuff Horst says that's hard to believe:

1) KM's injury had nothing to do with being traded-he really emphasizes that.
2) He thinks Kuzma will be much better here as long as he takes quality shots
3) Bucks were playing tremendous ball leading up to deadline, but wanted more front court depth against playoff teams.
4) Thinks things are changing and that playoffs, unlike the past, may become more fast break action
5)The apron had nothing to do with the trades, although it gave them more flexibiliy after.

[ShootingtheJ]

Dalano Banton with 22 points and 6 assists last night. He can do everything Kuzma can, plus make 3s. Instead Horst gave up the sun and moon to get Kuzma. Gross.

[blazza18]

Horst knows way more ball than me but I just do not agree or care about what he has to say about this team. He’s not improved this team at all imo.

[soxperry]

Dalano Banton with 22 points and 6 assists last night. He can do everything Kuzma can, plus make 3s. Instead Horst gave up the sun and moon to get Kuzma. Gross.

Do you assume he was available? Do you also assume that they wanted Khris and a player picked late first round in one if the worst drafts in recent memory who is only scoring 13 ppg in the g league?

Ive got no problem w people not liking the move. It irritates me though when people assume that a functioning adult who gets paid to make nba decisions and has big skin in the game would just take a worse option when better ones existed.

The trade we got? Almost certainly the best available option. He didnt pull a Nico. He was looking for better options since November.

[ShootingtheJ]

Horst knows way more ball than me but I just do not agree or care about what he has to say about this team. He’s not improved this team at all imo.

What evidence is there to say Horst knows more ball than you? He doesn't.

[ShootingtheJ]

Dalano Banton with 22 points and 6 assists last night. He can do everything Kuzma can, plus make 3s. Instead Horst gave up the sun and moon to get Kuzma. Gross.

Do you assume he was available? Do you also assume that they wanted Khris and a player picked late first round in one if the worst drafts in recent memory who is only scoring 13 ppg in the g league?

Ive got no problem w people not liking the move. It irritates me though when people assume that a functioning adult who gets paid to make nba decisions and has big skin in the game would just take a worse option when better ones existed.

The trade we got? Almost certainly the best available option. He didnt pull a Nico. He was looking for better options since November.

Lol, bad GMs make bad moves. Horst has no idea what a good player is. Does Horst make the best draft picks? Absolutely not. Why would you think he pursues the best trades?

[JayMKE]

I think every poster needs to read the Journal interview with Horst. There's some stuff Horst says that's hard to believe:

1) KM's injury had nothing to do with being traded-he really emphasizes that.
2) He thinks Kuzma will be much better here as long as he takes quality shots
3) Bucks were playing tremendous ball leading up to deadline, but wanted more front court depth against playoff teams.
4) Thinks things are changing and that playoffs, unlike the past, may become more fast break action
5)The apron had nothing to do with the trades, although it gave them more flexibiliy after.

Okay so not only is Horst dumb, he’s also full of ****

**** out of here saying this deal had nothing to do with Khris being hurt or the 2nd apron.

I am convinced most people here could do equivalent or better

[soxperry]

I think every poster needs to read the Journal interview with Horst. There's some stuff Horst says that's hard to believe:

1) KM's injury had nothing to do with being traded-he really emphasizes that.
2) He thinks Kuzma will be much better here as long as he takes quality shots
3) Bucks were playing tremendous ball leading up to deadline, but wanted more front court depth against playoff teams.
4) Thinks things are changing and that playoffs, unlike the past, may become more fast break action
5)The apron had nothing to do with the trades, although it gave them more flexibiliy after.

This is the single most important dimension of the trade and everything rests on this. Doc needs to give him a very clearly defined role and Kuz needs to trust him and play within it. If he can do that, i like the move.

Watching how Kuz likes to get out and run and be aggressive makes me think that Giannis is going to love playing with him. And in half court maybe Kuz is in the dunker spot to help ease the fact that hes not a reliable shooter. Idk, but theres something about Kuzma's energy that just meshes with how i perceive Giannis.