PG Celtics - Bucks Fade

[paulpressey25]

you trade everybody else before Giannis, simple as that

Jimmy Butler for Dame Lillard, who says no

The Bucks.

Big drop-off between Rollins and Lillard.imo

Giannis is our PG. We got this.

(there, I did a ‘Chones’)

[bucksfansince88]

Giannis turns 30 in December. The Thunder traded Russell Westbrook at age 30 and he had two really good years after that then fell off. I really hope Giannis can improve his outside game in the next couple years because I fear a Westbrook trajectory with too much reliance on athleticism. It would be really sad to see Giannis move to a different team and I hope he can age gracefully and stay with the Bucks.

he can always bulk up and dominate at center

[Matches Malone]

Giannis turns 30 in December. The Thunder traded Russell Westbrook at age 30 and he had two really good years after that then fell off. I really hope Giannis can improve his outside game in the next couple years because I fear a Westbrook trajectory with too much reliance on athleticism. It would be really sad to see Giannis move to a different team and I hope he can age gracefully and stay with the Bucks.

He needs to embrace being a big, not a wing. The loss of athleticism is minimized that way. In addition, probably easier to build an offense around him that way. While also increasing the athleticism on the floor since another big can go off.

He wants to refuse playing center, but it's his future. Especially with smaller lineups throughout the league, he's a natural fit to eventually move there.

[Neuromancer56]

I don't see it with Prince. Trent...not a lot going on there. Wright who? What rookies? Young guys? Never heard of 'em.

Are we really blaming our 3 minimum deal signings?

We don't have Griff to blame anymore. The blame really should be on Doc and Giannis. Though I'm not sure anyone could get through to Giannis.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Giannis turns 30 in December. The Thunder traded Russell Westbrook at age 30 and he had two really good years after that then fell off. I really hope Giannis can improve his outside game in the next couple years because I fear a Westbrook trajectory with too much reliance on athleticism. It would be really sad to see Giannis move to a different team and I hope he can age gracefully and stay with the Bucks.

He needs to embrace being a big, not a wing. The loss of athleticism is minimized that way. In addition, probably easier to build an offense around him that way. While also increasing the athleticism on the floor since another big can go off.

He wants to refuse playing center, but it's his future. Especially with smaller lineups throughout the league, he's a natural fit to eventually move there.

if he refuses tell him to **** off

we suck and players are dictating ****? thats the problem

[Ron Swanson]

Doc's deficiencies as a head coach have been well documented, but I think even the most jaded fans thought if anyone had the experience and clout to get Giannis to buy in as a true Center, it would be him. If he can't do that than he's pretty useless, and I'm not seeing what saves his job if we flounder all year and have another 1st or 2nd round exit.

[MoreTrife]

Still thinking about Delon dribbling up the court and Bobby messing around jogging and Delon dribbling into him and turning the ball over. CLown show. Butt fumble territory.

[LatentFrog]

My favorite thing about playing in Boston is when the Celtics go on an inevitable run and the refs feel it so much that they go on a crazy run of calls as well. Phantom offensive foul on Giannis, travel, carry, every possible call. It's just a chef's kiss for an already annoying experience.

[chonestown]

you trade everybody else before Giannis, simple as that

Jimmy Butler for Dame Lillard, who says no

The Bucks.

Big drop-off between Rollins and Lillard.imo

Defensively? Doubt. We'd just need a guy to be able to move the ball, defend, and hit 3s doesn't matter who. Would have another guy to put on the Jays.

That who is nowhere evident on the roster and I'm spectacle Horts can find that person mid-season.

Dollar for Buckets might be an interesting convo if the Bucks had, I dunno, a Tyus Jones or whatever ready to sop up minutes.

You make a good point on the gap defensively between Dame and Rolly. I hath been bested.

[chonestown]

you trade everybody else before Giannis, simple as that

Jimmy Butler for Dame Lillard, who says no

The Bucks.

Big drop-off between Rollins and Lillard.imo

Giannis is our PG. We got this.

(there, I did a ‘Chones’)

Heavy is the hindquarters that wears the pants. Posting is not a summer fling, it's a lifestyle.

[Ron Swanson]

Dame/Trent/Middleton/Prince/Giannis. That's the grouping I want them to run out for a decent enough sample size before I say this team doesn't have an awesome playoff small-ball lineup. Will we see enough of it between Khris' load management, Giannis', reluctance to play as a true big, and Doc's insistence on running traditional frontcourt sets with Bobby soaking up all the backup PF/C minutes? We'll see...

[ReasonablySober]

I haven't been able to stop thinking about this play.

Giannis's lack of awareness, not finding Walsh and boxing out, all at a key moment in the second half when Boston was beginning to stretch their lead.

Stuff like that can't happen.



Even Bobby is like WTF?

[JayMKE]

The Bucks.

Big drop-off between Rollins and Lillard.imo

Defensively? Doubt. We'd just need a guy to be able to move the ball, defend, and hit 3s doesn't matter who. Would have another guy to put on the Jays.

That who is nowhere evident on the roster and I'm spectacle Horts can find that person mid-season.

Dollar for Buckets might be an interesting convo if the Bucks had, I dunno, a Tyus Jones or whatever ready to sop up minutes.

You make a good point on the gap defensively between Dame and Rolly. I hath been bested.

Isn't it sad we're always lamenting not having the vet min signings of other teams? I think finding that guy to sop up minutes would be easier than fixing the fundamental problems with this core, they're just a poor fit and expecting them to be different players is wishful thinking. The team lost its tough defensive identity but I don't think anybody can really say this team is better offensively now than it was under Budenholzer, worst case scenario they just pound its iso style with minimum passing like they do now anyways.

Our offense will still be what it is with Giannis at the 5 maybe worse since Brook is one of our better players on that end too, defensively does it really change things much? Doc still would play Bobby with him, Prince is really a nonfactor on both sides so I'm not seeing the easy fix you guys are. Brook is a situational player so gotta figure something out that can work when he's getting exposed. I seriously doubt Giannis is refusing to play without Brook or Bobby on the floor with him, its on Doc.

[BUCKnation]

Is it ok to say that if the Bucks had beaten the Celtics at home with the Celtics on the second half of a b2b, the Cs schedule would be central to all discussion of the game?

Not a total cop out because the way it was trending at the end they probably would have lost, but there appeared to be some tiring by the 4th. It’s the 4th game of the season but ‘game shape’ is a thing.

[Ron Swanson]

We're currently a -12.6 net-rating team with Giannis on the court and a +14.8 when he's off the court. It almost defies logic lol.

[ReasonablySober]

We're currently a -12.6 net-rating team with Giannis on the court and a +14.8 when he's off the court. It almost defies logic lol.

He's been bad.

[StickeeFingaz]

We're currently a -12.6 net-rating team with Giannis on the court and a +14.8 when he's off the court. It almost defies logic lol.

Matches my eye test though. He’s not really doing any of the little things, just focused on buckets.

On defense he used to almost shut off one side of the floor.

[Ron Swanson]

He has. The Giannis/Bobby lineups have been an abomination and it's not even Bobby's fault. Although fun fact, they've been bad for a while now...

2023-24: -0.7 net-rating (2nd worst with at least 1,000 minutes behind Pat/Bobby)
2022-23: -2.2 net-rating

Can't play those guys together.

[MickeyDavis]

This is Giannis' 12th year. He's not changing no matter how much we hope for it. He won't become a good rebounder, his basketball IQ will not get higher. Of course he's still an incredible player. Four years ago we had the perfect combination of players and coaching. It will be hard/impossible to replicate. But get to April healthy and who the hell knows.

[Dick Tate]

Doc needs to pry the ball from Giannis, give it to Lillard and let it be Dame's team. Unfortunately that won't happen until Freak's hands are cold and dead.