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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#1261 » by LuessiT » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:41 pm

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Eh I wouldn't. I like Nti a lot but he's not a scorer, or shooter so not really the best fit with Giannis as far as space. Defensively he has the tools but he's not very good atm. I think that we are fine with Brogdon but we desperately need a combo guard off the bench that can shoot 3s off the dribble


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He's going to be a very good, possibly elite shooter at 6'5 from the PG position.

Second bolded part is also not true. He's a difference maker on the defensive end for his team in the Pro A right now.


How is his last name pronounced?


The 't' is silent. So Nilikina.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#1262 » by blazza18 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:42 pm

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Eh I wouldn't. I like Nti a lot but he's not a scorer, or shooter so not really the best fit with Giannis as far as space. Defensively he has the tools but he's not very good atm. I think that we are fine with Brogdon but we desperately need a combo guard off the bench that can shoot 3s off the dribble


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He's going to be a very good, possibly elite shooter at 6'5 from the PG position.

Second bolded part is also not true. He's a difference maker on the defensive end for his team in the Pro A right now.


How is his last name pronounced?


Smith.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#1263 » by LuessiT » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:42 pm

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Eh I wouldn't. I like Nti a lot but he's not a scorer, or shooter so not really the best fit with Giannis as far as space. Defensively he has the tools but he's not very good atm. I think that we are fine with Brogdon but we desperately need a combo guard off the bench that can shoot 3s off the dribble


He is though.

He's going to be a very good, possibly elite shooter at 6'5 from the PG position.

Second bolded part is also not true. He's a difference maker on the defensive end for his team in the Pro A right now.


His % are fine but he has rubio/rondo level volume. He's a pass first pg with good vision, but if he's going to shoot ball less than Brogdon I'm not sure that he's going to draw much defensive attention. Defensively he struggles to stay in front of guys on TS perimeter.


That's because he's not asked to shoot at his club and he's a very shy personality. At the U18 tourney he took 10 3's a game because he was asked to.
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Post#1264 » by Baddy Chuck » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:43 pm

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Post#1265 » by Nowak008 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:46 pm

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Reminds me of Mo Willy


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Post#1266 » by Nowak008 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:51 pm

Taking another look at the updated DX mock, I'm really liking this 2.1 million guy in the second round. Get it done Horst.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#1267 » by nmeurett » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:56 pm

If we are moving up in this draft for anyone it should be Dennis Smith Jr. Guy has star/elite talent.

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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#1268 » by Badgerlander » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:33 am

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He is though.

He's going to be a very good, possibly elite shooter at 6'5 from the PG position.

Second bolded part is also not true. He's a difference maker on the defensive end for his team in the Pro A right now.


His % are fine but he has rubio/rondo level volume. He's a pass first pg with good vision, but if he's going to shoot ball less than Brogdon I'm not sure that he's going to draw much defensive attention. Defensively he struggles to stay in front of guys on TS perimeter.


That's because he's not asked to shoot at his club and he's a very shy personality. At the U18 tourney he took 10 3's a game because he was asked to.

I like him but I'm not sold on him enough to give up assets to move up for him. I'd be just as happy with white or Jackson or Dorsey off the bench.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#1269 » by LuessiT » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:51 am

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Yeah, Ntilikina is a poor shooter, ball handler, and passer. I don't see any reason to believe he is as good as Brogdon. Some of the same weaknesses as Brogdon, but with worse handles, passing, and a worse shot.


This post is so misinformed it's unbelieveable.


Which of those is he good at? I'm no expert on him, but his shooting numbers certainly don't inspire confidence in him becoming a good shooter anytime soon. And he doesn't appear to have smooth handles and has struggled vs. ball pressure according to DX. Not a guy creating a lot of offense at the levels of ball he is at right now, so hard to judge too heavy, but doesn't seem to have a lot of shake.

I guess the passing is the point you have an issue with. IDK, doesn't seem like an especially creative offensive player to me.

That said, his height/length may mean he doesn't need to be extraordinarily skilled to be effective.


He's already a really good shooter. He's one of the youngest players in the draft, can shoot from NBA range of the catch and especially off the dribble. His numbers in any competition back this up. His release is a bit slow and he doesn't always have consistent mechanics off the catch&shoot (he struggles with consistency in his lift of the catch) but other than that his shot is really good (and already falling at a great rate, not just potential). Especially the threat of being able to shoot over defenders off the dribble at 6'5 is very intriguing.

Ntilikina has the potential to be a very good ball handler. He's got some very advanced moves in his repetoire. He doesn't get to handle the ball much when he plays (Straßbourg don't utilize PG's the way the NBA does and he often played next to Walker especially at the start of the league) but that shouldn't lead you to the conclusion that Ntilikina isn't a potentially good ball handler. What he does lack is a degree of explosiveness - even after beating his defender with his handles he doesn't explode to the rim. But if you talk just about handles, he's at the least on a similar level to DSJ and better than Fox.

I don't have an issue with criticizing his passing, but it's probably around DSJ/Fox level (which is not very high for PG's). He makes the simple reads and makes PnR passes accurately and is unselfish in general but he doesn't utilize his length to get an advantage on angles. He also didn't show any plus vision even though in theory he should be able to see over the defense with his size advantage. Also by lacking explosiveness and not getting to the rim he's not generating attention and by that creating as much as the other PG prospects. So while his passing skills are not great but solid, he doesn't put himself in a position to make use of them.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#1270 » by Rockmaninoff » Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:54 am

I still don't get Harry Giles' upside. Yeah, he was a highly regarded high school and AAU player, but was he showing a tremendous amount of skill to earn those rankings? Or was that mostly about his physical profile?

Those knees are time bombs. If one of those goes off again, what do you have? Darrell Arthur?

If we have to appease Jason Kidd and his representation, can we at least go with Derrick White? You know, someone that actually has healthy knees and makes sense with Giannis?
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#1271 » by LuessiT » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:02 am

Rockmaninoff wrote:I still don't get Harry Giles' upside. Yeah, he was a highly regarded high school and AAU player, but was he showing a tremendous amount of skill to earn those rankings? Or was that mostly about his physical profile?

Those knees are time bombs. If one of those goes off again, what do you have? Darrell Arthur?

If we have to appease Jason Kidd and his representation, can we at least go with Derrick White? You know, someone that actually has healthy knees and makes sense with Giannis?


Bit of both. Besides being a extremely athleticly gifted he also had advanced moves (like eurosteps, etc.) to get by defenders by making use of his athleticism. He also showed some good touch on jumpers and potential on D. So basicly he looked like a two-way player that could do it all with enough time developing at his best.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#1272 » by Rockmaninoff » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:12 am

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Rockmaninoff wrote:I still don't get Harry Giles' upside. Yeah, he was a highly regarded high school and AAU player, but was he showing a tremendous amount of skill to earn those rankings? Or was that mostly about his physical profile?

Those knees are time bombs. If one of those goes off again, what do you have? Darrell Arthur?

If we have to appease Jason Kidd and his representation, can we at least go with Derrick White? You know, someone that actually has healthy knees and makes sense with Giannis?


Bit of both. Besides being a extremely athleticly gifted he also had advanced moves (like eurosteps, etc.) to get by defenders by making use of his athleticism. He also showed some good touch on jumpers and potential on D. So basicly he looked like a two-way player that could do it all with enough time developing at his best.


I think his upside is like prime Amir Johnson or something. Which is a nice player, but with 2 busted knees, I need to see a higher skill level to feel comfortable with that risk.
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Post#1273 » by drone3 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:31 am

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Rockmaninoff wrote:I still don't get Harry Giles' upside. Yeah, he was a highly regarded high school and AAU player, but was he showing a tremendous amount of skill to earn those rankings? Or was that mostly about his physical profile?

Those knees are time bombs. If one of those goes off again, what do you have? Darrell Arthur?

If we have to appease Jason Kidd and his representation, can we at least go with Derrick White? You know, someone that actually has healthy knees and makes sense with Giannis?


Bit of both. Besides being a extremely athleticly gifted he also had advanced moves (like eurosteps, etc.) to get by defenders by making use of his athleticism. He also showed some good touch on jumpers and potential on D. So basicly he looked like a two-way player that could do it all with enough time developing at his best.


I think his upside is like prime Amir Johnson or something. Which is a nice player, but with 2 busted knees, I need to see a higher skill level to feel comfortable with that risk.

He would be so much better than Amir. The whole problem is that his best skill is his athleticism which has been fully compromised due to injuries.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#1274 » by buckboy » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:38 am

I'm pretty ok with most guys. Just not Giles please. His health terrifies me.
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Post#1275 » by Rockmaninoff » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:30 am

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Bit of both. Besides being a extremely athleticly gifted he also had advanced moves (like eurosteps, etc.) to get by defenders by making use of his athleticism. He also showed some good touch on jumpers and potential on D. So basicly he looked like a two-way player that could do it all with enough time developing at his best.


I think his upside is like prime Amir Johnson or something. Which is a nice player, but with 2 busted knees, I need to see a higher skill level to feel comfortable with that risk.

He would be so much better than Amir. The whole problem is that his best skill is his athleticism which has been fully compromised due to injuries.


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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#1276 » by midranger » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:32 am

Jordan Bell please.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#1277 » by worthlessBucks » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:58 am

Hope Mitchell slides a few or else we trade down.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#1278 » by VooDoo7 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:05 am

Also hoping Mitchell slides.

Other than that, I think I'm back to Bam. Towards the beginning of the college season, he's who I really had my eye on. Then I kind of went away from him and focused more on other guys. But the more I think about it, I think he'd be a great fit on this team.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#1279 » by MadBlueEdwards » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:15 am

This doesn't fit in any particular thread, but it's somewhat related to this year's draft...Very interesting article on the Nets and the trade that gave Boston all of their picks. Also, some great tidbits on Kidd (some of which we've heard before).

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/worst-trade-back-nets-celtics-deal-2013-article-1.3255407?cid=bitly
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#1280 » by Pachinko_ » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:02 am

MadBlueEdwards wrote:This doesn't fit in any particular thread, but it's somewhat related to this year's draft...Very interesting article on the Nets and the trade that gave Boston all of their picks. Also, some great tidbits on Kidd (some of which we've heard before).

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/worst-trade-back-nets-celtics-deal-2013-article-1.3255407?cid=bitly

it looked like a good idea at the time LOL

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