Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - OFF SEASON EDITION

[Prez]

Ok so is this possible and how far off in value is this for each team? Any possible way to fix it?

Bucks out: Khris Middleton, Eric Bledsoe, Donte DiVincenzo, IND 2020 1st (#24), MIL 2024 top 3 prot 1st, 2 IND 2nds
Bucks in: Damian Lillard, Taj Gibson (team option 20-21), Dennis Smith Jr.

Blazers out: Damian Lillard
Blazers in: Khris Middleton, Donte DiVincenzo, NYK 2020 1st (#8), IND 2020 1st (#24), MIL 2024 top 3 protected 1st

Knicks out: Taj Gibson, Dennis Smith Jr., NYK 2020 1st (#8)
Knicks in: Eric Bledsoe, 2 IND 2nds

It makes us worse and gives up the only young guy in our top 8 players. I don't want Lillard very much, but I can see an argument for him. I can't see an argument for Gibson or Smith.

I don't think it makes us worse when you consider what Bledsoe gives us in the playoffs and how it would unlock Giannis in the playoffs. Lillard/Giannis would be the most devastating PnR duo, or I guess 2nd to LBJ/AD when they go to it. Would be tough giving up Donte but you don't trade for top 10 guys in their prime without giving up real stuff. Taj has a TO for 20-21 and DSJ is just salary filler.

Of course this all would hinge on Giannis recruiting and Lillard asking out of Portland.

[ShootingtheJ]

Ok so is this possible and how far off in value is this for each team? Any possible way to fix it?

Bucks out: Khris Middleton, Eric Bledsoe, Donte DiVincenzo, IND 2020 1st (#24), MIL 2024 top 3 prot 1st, 2 IND 2nds
Bucks in: Damian Lillard, Taj Gibson (team option 20-21), Dennis Smith Jr.

Blazers out: Damian Lillard
Blazers in: Khris Middleton, Donte DiVincenzo, NYK 2020 1st (#8), IND 2020 1st (#24), MIL 2024 top 3 protected 1st

Knicks out: Taj Gibson, Dennis Smith Jr., NYK 2020 1st (#8)
Knicks in: Eric Bledsoe, 2 IND 2nds

It makes us worse and gives up the only young guy in our top 8 players. I don't want Lillard very much, but I can see an argument for him. I can't see an argument for Gibson or Smith.

I don't think it makes us worse when you consider what Bledsoe gives us in the playoffs and how it would unlock Giannis in the playoffs. Lillard/Giannis would be the most devastating PnR duo, or I guess 2nd to LBJ/AD when they go to it. Would be tough giving up Donte but you don't trade for top 10 guys in their prime without giving up real stuff. Taj has a TO for 20-21 and DSJ is just salary filler.

Of course this all would hinge on Giannis recruiting and Lillard asking out of Portland.

Under the new rules, Gibson would need his team option exercised to be included in trade. However, NY is likely to drop all their team options and have $48 million in cap space. They could easily absorb Bledsoe into cap space.

If we can get #8 for Bledsoe and 2- 2nds, then that's the move we make. Then we have #8, #24 and a big trade exception to make a couple of trades.

[MickeyDavis]

I'm used to the draft and FA happening quickly after the finals. Waiting until mid November for the draft and December for FA will seem like an eternity.

[ReasonablySober]

There's no reason the draft couldn't have happened months ago.

[Matches Malone]

I'm used to the draft and FA happening quickly after the finals. Waiting until mid November for the draft and December for FA will seem like an eternity.

Since I started working from home because of COVID, I'm still in March/April time and can't believe it's already almost Halloweeen. I'm hoping I can blink and it'll be here soon

[JRoy]

Ok so is this possible and how far off in value is this for each team? Any possible way to fix it?

Bucks out: Khris Middleton, Eric Bledsoe, Donte DiVincenzo, IND 2020 1st (#24), MIL 2024 top 3 prot 1st, 2 IND 2nds
Bucks in: Damian Lillard, Taj Gibson (team option 20-21), Dennis Smith Jr.

Blazers out: Damian Lillard
Blazers in: Khris Middleton, Donte DiVincenzo, NYK 2020 1st (#8), IND 2020 1st (#24), MIL 2024 top 3 protected 1st

Knicks out: Taj Gibson, Dennis Smith Jr., NYK 2020 1st (#8)
Knicks in: Eric Bledsoe, 2 IND 2nds

No combination of Bucks assets (excluding GA) gets Lillard.

DOA.

[JayMKE]

There's no reason the draft couldn't have happened months ago.

Yeah I don’t get why the draft had to be delayed at all after the March standings were finalized.

[WeekapaugGroove]

A low cost player I would go after is D'Anthony Melton. He's an RFA, and I don't think Memphis goes out of their way to keep him is because he's behind Ja, and they also have Tyus Jones. Some say he's a combo guard, but I don't agree - I think he's strictly a 1. I don't think it'd cost more than a future 2nd to convince Memphis to not match an offer. Problem with him is his 3 point shot needs dramatic improvement. He's had injury problems, but that shouldn't be a long-term problem. He's an athletic AND smart defender, and he helps in rebounding. If the 3 point shot comes around, he becomes a quality starter - much like a young Kyle Lowry. A young Bledsoe might be a good comp for him, because he really does have the potential to be one of the top defensive PG's in the game.

I like Melton, he has elite defender traits. Id argue a little on the PG thing because he's abysmal running an offense, it's possible he works to get to a passable level but he lacks a feel that natural PGs have. Dude can absolutely guard 1-3 though. Would be a nice bench piece.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

There's no reason the draft couldn't have happened months ago.

Yeah I don’t get why the draft had to be delayed at all after the March standings were finalized.

I've heard the league wants the financials figured out before the draft because teams may use picks to move money.

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[DrWood]

There's no reason the draft couldn't have happened months ago.

Yeah I don’t get why the draft had to be delayed at all after the March standings were finalized.

well, only to not take attention away from the end of the season & playoffs. I don't know why they couldn't have it in 10 days, though. And I don't know why signing FA couldn't start 1 day after the finals is over.

[LuessiT]

There's no reason the draft couldn't have happened months ago.

Yeah I don’t get why the draft had to be delayed at all after the March standings were finalized.

well, only to not take attention away from the end of the season & playoffs. I don't know why they couldn't have it in 10 days, though. And I don't know why signing FA couldn't start 1 day after the finals is over.

Cause no one still has any idea about the final implications. Depending where the cap is some teams my drastically change their approach.

[DrWood]

Yeah I don’t get why the draft had to be delayed at all after the March standings were finalized.

well, only to not take attention away from the end of the season & playoffs. I don't know why they couldn't have it in 10 days, though. And I don't know why signing FA couldn't start 1 day after the finals is over.

Cause no one still has any idea about the final implications. Depending where the cap is some teams my drastically change their approach.

OK, but why hasn't that been established yet? Is it a CBA negotiation that has to happen between players and the league?

[DingleJerry]

Spoiler:

Ok so is this possible and how far off in value is this for each team? Any possible way to fix it?

Bucks out: Khris Middleton, Eric Bledsoe, Donte DiVincenzo, IND 2020 1st (#24), MIL 2024 top 3 prot 1st, 2 IND 2nds
Bucks in: Damian Lillard, Taj Gibson (team option 20-21), Dennis Smith Jr.

Blazers out: Damian Lillard
Blazers in: Khris Middleton, Donte DiVincenzo, NYK 2020 1st (#8), IND 2020 1st (#24), MIL 2024 top 3 protected 1st

Knicks out: Taj Gibson, Dennis Smith Jr., NYK 2020 1st (#8)
Knicks in: Eric Bledsoe, 2 IND 2nds

It makes us worse and gives up the only young guy in our top 8 players. I don't want Lillard very much, but I can see an argument for him. I can't see an argument for Gibson or Smith.

No way it makes us worse considering we're getting Lillard, he's exactly what they need. However, I don't see any package we can offer, munus GA, that could lillard from Por. Unless of course he forces his way out, which would be tough for him to do right now considering all the trash he just talked about it. At the very least, more has to be added to Por's side on this trade somehow.

Glad to see some spitballing on non CP3 trades which have gotten the attention on here. Surprised no one is kicking around Beal scenarios. I'd say he's the best case scenario in regards to guys who are seemingly available. I know it won't be easy to get but I think you have to try for him first. I'd agree with recent posts that it doesn't make sense to give Middleton for CP3 scenarios, well MIddleton for Beal oness are a bit different. Ideally finding a way to keep both, but if not that could a minor improvement type of trade that makes significant difference due to Beal's ball handling abilities filling our glaring weakness.

[ShootingtheJ]

A low cost player I would go after is D'Anthony Melton. He's an RFA, and I don't think Memphis goes out of their way to keep him is because he's behind Ja, and they also have Tyus Jones. Some say he's a combo guard, but I don't agree - I think he's strictly a 1. I don't think it'd cost more than a future 2nd to convince Memphis to not match an offer. Problem with him is his 3 point shot needs dramatic improvement. He's had injury problems, but that shouldn't be a long-term problem. He's an athletic AND smart defender, and he helps in rebounding. If the 3 point shot comes around, he becomes a quality starter - much like a young Kyle Lowry. A young Bledsoe might be a good comp for him, because he really does have the potential to be one of the top defensive PG's in the game.

I like Melton, he has elite defender traits. Id argue a little on the PG thing because he's abysmal running an offense, it's possible he works to get to a passable level but he lacks a feel that natural PGs have. Dude can absolutely guard 1-3 though. Would be a nice bench piece.

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Yeah, I still like him, but he's probably not the right player for us right now, because of his 3 point shooting and decision making. I'm guessing Memphis bets on his upside and keeps him, and makes Tyus Jones available. Jones fits our needs.

[LuessiT]

well, only to not take attention away from the end of the season & playoffs. I don't know why they couldn't have it in 10 days, though. And I don't know why signing FA couldn't start 1 day after the finals is over.

Cause no one still has any idea about the final implications. Depending where the cap is some teams my drastically change their approach.

OK, but why hasn't that been established yet? Is it a CBA negotiation that has to happen between players and the league?

It's that plus the social message issue. I don't see the cap dropping but maybe it's stagnating.

[emunney]

Yeah I don’t get why the draft had to be delayed at all after the March standings were finalized.

well, only to not take attention away from the end of the season & playoffs. I don't know why they couldn't have it in 10 days, though. And I don't know why signing FA couldn't start 1 day after the finals is over.

Cause no one still has any idea about the final implications. Depending where the cap is some teams my drastically change their approach.

This is not a good enough reason to deny me my delectations.

[Pachinko_]

Jokic would bully full time C Giannis in a series.

The only reason he'd try to do this is to see if he can get him to 2 fouls, in which case everybody would panic and sit Giannis for like 20 mins straight to make sure he doesn't finish with more than 3 fouls (for some reason)

This is not bullying though, this is craftiness. If you guard Jokic you might get dominated in all sorts of different ways but it's not like you'll leave the court bruised up. The guy is soft as a pillow and never plays dirty either. He does lower his shoulder sometimes to gain a little bit of space but that's about it, and after that he's most likely to do a fadeway or a hook or look for a pass rather than bump someone all the way to the basket.

[Wisky4life]

My dream trio would be Lillard, McCollum and Giannis. No way that happens though.

The Bucks do need a 3rd guy to pair with Giannis and Midds.

[DingleJerry]

To the Giannis at C talk. Lakers played a stretch tonight with a Morris as C. Yes, you need a bruiser on the roster too for certain matchups and so it's not 35 mins a game but with how the game is played these days playing C wouldn't be the bruising it was 15-20 years ago. There's almost no post play so it comes to the rebounding aspects and yes that's why the backup 5 should be a legit Lopez type big. IDC if you start that guy or not but I'd say the Giannis at 5 ratio of mins should move more in the 5 direction and plan your team as Giannas at 5 as your closing lineup. Once again, this is basically how AD is used by LA.

Sidenote', this was why Ersan is a good fit. More PF than C so has some more quickness than a traditional big, also a better shooter than a traditional big, but also willing to do all the dirty work to lighten Giannis' load.

[theFireBlanket]

Ersan is getting old, can't rely on him much longer but he definitely should've played in the ECSF.