Giannis Thread - On Asking for a Trade - "I am not this kind of guy, they would have to kick me out”.

[fansinceforever]

A Brandon Knight-led team got us 40 wins.

A healthy Giannis + improvements from Green, Trent, and Porter, along with new 3 and D athletes can easily get us 50.

They'll play better due to not having to figure out how to implement Dame. And once he returns, he can come off the bench as a microwave scorer.

Will guys like KPJ, Trent, Lopez, Bobby and Sims be back next year? All of them?

How do you plan to get these new 3 and D guys you're talking about?

We're going to play better without our all star PG? And returning next year? I don't think so.

That's a lot questions without great answers that are required for us to maybe get to 50 wins. And that's before asking if that's actually a 50 win core.

Expecting everyone except Lopez back.

New 3 and D guys can be obtained from the same places we found Connaughton, Trent, and Green. Giannis' gravity should help them even more.

That's next year. After that, more picks are available for trade, we have expirings, and much more flexibility.

You're really trading our sure-thing superstar in his prime for prospects we have no idea about (remember how good Parker was going to be), because of one year of potential difficulty?

So many holes but your undying optimism is inspiring.

It's definitely not one year of potential difficulty but I guess we'll see.

[th87]

Will guys like KPJ, Trent, Lopez, Bobby and Sims be back next year? All of them?

How do you plan to get these new 3 and D guys you're talking about?

We're going to play better without our all star PG? And returning next year? I don't think so.

That's a lot questions without great answers that are required for us to maybe get to 50 wins. And that's before asking if that's actually a 50 win core.

Expecting everyone except Lopez back.

New 3 and D guys can be obtained from the same places we found Connaughton, Trent, and Green. Giannis' gravity should help them even more.

That's next year. After that, more picks are available for trade, we have expirings, and much more flexibility.

You're really trading our sure-thing superstar in his prime for prospects we have no idea about (remember how good Parker was going to be), because of one year of potential difficulty?

So many holes but your undying optimism is inspiring.

It's definitely not one year of potential difficulty but I guess we'll see.

And I am not typically optimistic about my sports teams!

[jschligs]

"Yet" reeks of finding an angle where one don't exist. Like, there's things I wish were true but you don't find me posting ""OT: Pants" is not coming back yet."

Wait...tell me more about this OT: Pants...I'm interested.

[FrieAaron]

On top of that, isn't the next draft when NO has a pick swap with us? If we're going to punt a year, this would seem to be the year to do it anyway

[BroncoBuck]

We're not in any position to jettison Brook for nothing unless the cost is just too high. Just give him a reasonable 1-2 year deal and let him retire a Buck. Giannis still needs his regular season security blanket.

Counterpoint, it forces the team to play differently instead of relying on his drop defense and 5 out play. Don’t let Doc or whoever is coaching use him as crutch during the regular season.

[Ron Swanson]

We're not in any position to jettison Brook for nothing unless the cost is just too high. Just give him a reasonable 1-2 year deal and let him retire a Buck. Giannis still needs his regular season security blanket.

Counterpoint, it forces the team to play differently instead of relying on his drop defense and 5 out play. Don’t let Doc or whoever is coaching use him as crutch during the regular season.

Bad coaches are going to use even theoretically more versatile defensive players (see: Kuzma) stupidly no matter what. All you're doing is just using Doc's stupidity to justify letting still useful players walk for nothing.

[drew881]

Then what do you "buy"? We were 3-1 against the Pacers and had a better regular season net-rating/SRS. The Knicks had a 15-23 record vs. teams over .500 (we were 17-21) and got annihilated by Boston every time to the point where it was a running gag. Nobody was running with the narrative that those teams had anything but a puncher's chance against the two East juggernauts.

Interesting. Thanks for providing the records. I still feel like something is very different. The Knicks and Pacers have more consistent talent across their lineup. With the Knicks, it is concentrated in the starting 5 and with Indy it is more evenly spread into the bench. Sure, we have had injuries that disrupted our depth, but even before this we also had big portions of our lineup that were and remain question marks (Center, SF and SG). No one is really debating which guys on the Pacers should play. Everything is defined.

[BUCKnation]

We're not in any position to jettison Brook for nothing unless the cost is just too high. Just give him a reasonable 1-2 year deal and let him retire a Buck. Giannis still needs his regular season security blanket.

Yeah, I don't get the rush to dump him. Just greatly lower his minutes when the matchup isn't there. He can still play against a good portion of the league.

[MuckyFingers]

We're not in any position to jettison Brook for nothing unless the cost is just too high. Just give him a reasonable 1-2 year deal and let him retire a Buck. Giannis still needs his regular season security blanket.

That's fine, as long as he gets no meaningful time in games that matter.

[Bernman]

I'd bring Brook back on the vet min if we weren't hellbent on retaining the most idiotic coach in the league who has zero sense of match-ups. For the short-term moves, Horst needs to Doc-proof the roster.

[jimmybones]

Giannis could also survey the league, decide there isn't an ideal fitting team he could specifically force his way to, and wait a year for when he'll have much more control being on an ending contract (if he'd opt-out).

I could see a situation where we bring him back. See what we can do and what Point-Center Giannis looks like. We are .400 at the all-star break we can blow it up then. Or we catch lightning in the bottle where we are fun overachieving team with MVP Giannis.

Your last sentence is my optimist view on this. I could see Giannis being inspired by the idea of giving it his best shot with a young and underdog team. We obviously wouldn’t be tier one contenders but with some shrewd moves we could be a fun team led by a mega star. I know most people won’t want to hear it but it’s not out of the realm of possibility that you make a serious run and catch lightning in the bottle, what title would ever do more for Giannis value than one with zero other stars.

Point is I don’t think next year has to be viewed as an automatic waste year. Wasn’t the point of trading Khris for more flexibility this offseason? That fun unit we had down the stretch this year with a few smart additions (and subtractions) and were an underdog level contender and Giannis thrives when people doubt him. Add in the part that Giannis seems to thrive when he’s clearly the guy and not co piloting with another star, and I think we safely know he’d value a second ring here more than getting one elsewhere, I don’t think the sell job to him is that difficult.

We give it our best to next year, here’s how we can remain competitive in a wide open east.

And the following year we really cook with a bunch more assets and financial flexibility.

Leaving does not guarantee and ring and right or wrong, he doesn’t seem like the type of a guy that would enjoy a super team “bought” ring as much as he’d enjoy it being earned in his town.

[jakecronus8]

Spears told Mavs wont trade pick. We can at least stop with the bad Dallas trades at least.

[tedbrogen]

I’d still do the Spurs deal and hope that the #2 pick turns into a franchise guy, especially if the alternative is run it back with Doc.

Or Houston for Amen+friends+#10+27 Suns 1st+29 two best picks of Houston/Phoenix/Dallas+2031 Houston first+2032 swap+2030 swap+2028 swap+some 2nds (would have to be after the draft with Houston selecting 10 for the Bucks because Houston doesn’t have a 26 first). That’s Amen/others/5 1sts/3 swaps. And two years to fire Doc and Horst and get a real GM before anything other than #10 conveys.

[paulpressey25]

Russilo had Chris Mannix on his pod. They spent 15 mins talking Giannis. Mannix strongly said Bucks need to get out in front of this and deal him while they hold a lot of leverage.

Of course then he went on to say that Amen is off limits as it relates to Houston.

[StickeeFingaz]

Russilo had Chris Mannix on his pod. They spent 15 mins talking Giannis. Mannix strongly said Bucks need to get out in front of this and deal him while they hold a lot of leverage.

Of course then he went on to say that Amen is off limits as it relates to Houston.

I listened to that and then turned it off.

[Matches Malone]

All of these talking heads and media types are putting the full-court press on this Giannis topic in terms of gaslighting the Bucks and their fanbase into thinking trading him is our only option and that it's for our best interest. Please... these people don't care about this team. They only want him out for their own selfish agendas and to give them something to write about. Mannix saying we need to get out in front... Get out in front of what? A rumor that's been perpetuated for almost a decade?

[tedbrogen]

Russilo had Chris Mannix on his pod. They spent 15 mins talking Giannis. Mannix strongly said Bucks need to get out in front of this and deal him while they hold a lot of leverage.

Of course then he went on to say that Amen is off limits as it relates to Houston.

Without Amen, the package would have to be:
Sengun, Sheppard, Whitmore, Jabari, Eason, 5 firsts, 3 swaps, and up to 8 2nds.

I’d say no because no one in that deal has best player on a contender upside.

Amen plus the picks plus Sengun plus Brooks for Giannis and PatC makes the most sense for everyone.
They can keep FVV, Sheppard, Eason, Jabari, Whitmore, Green to surround Giannis with athletes and an actual PG. Sengun and Brooks are really questionable fits next to Giannis since teams will dare them to shoot threes but would be semi useful for the Bucks since they don’t want to tank and have a coach who doesn’t understand spacing anyways. Eason and the #10 pick are the prize (although with some potentially tasty future Suns picks). If Sengun doesn’t take a jump, you can flip him to some team like how the Pacers flipped Sabonis.

Basically if Amen is untouchable, they are not getting Giannis, especially with the Spurs having #2.

[machu46]

Russilo had Chris Mannix on his pod. They spent 15 mins talking Giannis. Mannix strongly said Bucks need to get out in front of this and deal him while they hold a lot of leverage.

Of course then he went on to say that Amen is off limits as it relates to Houston.

Wow, can't believe a Celtics fan is hoping we prematurely trade Giannis out West.

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[ReasonablySober]

Marks:

The significance of moving from No. 8 to No. 2 in the lottery puts the Spurs in the driver's seat if the 2021 Finals MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo is made available in a trade. San Antonio also has the No. 14 pick and future assets, including an unprotected 2027 first-rounder from Atlanta. They also have the right to swap with the Hawks next season.

San Antonio has the trade ammunition to execute a major move: they control the Atlanta Hawks' next two drafts, own their future picks other than 2027, and hold far future swap rights to picks from Boston (2028, top-one protected), the more favorable of Dallas and Minnesota (2030, top-one protected), and Sacramento in 2031. Those assets are also far enough out that the Spurs can hold them until they're ready to upgrade or ultimately select with them.

[blazza18]

Spurs make a lot of sense for Giannis if he does want out. Gets to compete and gets to stay in a smaller market.