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Post#161 » by JimmyTheKid » Thu Dec 2, 2021 2:22 pm

That was about as good as a regular season game will get with prime Giannis here in Milwaukee. High scoring. Plenty of highlight reel plays. Down to the wire. Boogie with a fantastic debut. Charlotte a really fun team. The Freak with the game winner. Ah yeah, the good stuff.
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Post#162 » by JimmyTheKid » Thu Dec 2, 2021 2:24 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:I’m wondering why all the vitriol for the refs? Nba refs are usually terrible but didn’t seem that much more noticeable to me tonight.


You simply cannot "let them play" for the majority of the game and also call those two phantom fouls on Giannis and the one on Jrue. The refs were worse than usual last night.
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Post#163 » by JimmyTheKid » Thu Dec 2, 2021 2:25 pm

GoldenAntlers wrote:Also, whoever said Cousins has low bbiq... He doesn't.


People actually said this?
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Post#164 » by Shaffty » Thu Dec 2, 2021 2:27 pm

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jakecronus8 wrote:I’m wondering why all the vitriol for the refs? Nba refs are usually terrible but didn’t seem that much more noticeable to me tonight.


You simply cannot "let them play" for the majority of the game and also call those two phantom fouls on Giannis and the one on Jrue. The refs were worse than usual last night.



they also ruled a defensive foul on Grayson Allen for getting elbowed in the face on a drive but then reviewed it and called a flagrant for the elbow to the face but kept the foul called it on the floor then let the hornets shoot 2 free throws anyways
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Post#165 » by Matches Malone » Thu Dec 2, 2021 2:36 pm

Gery Woelfel wrote:Got a time big boy?
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Post#166 » by Siefer » Thu Dec 2, 2021 2:40 pm

Okay, after sleeping on it, I was a little harsh towards the Hornets. I'll downgrade that "**** you" to a "buzz off."
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Post#167 » by emunney » Thu Dec 2, 2021 2:43 pm

aboveAverage wrote:First, holy crap guys but Charlotte is really good. That’s an exciting young squad they’re building there. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see them make an Atlanta-like run in the playoffs this year. Especially if they can somehow get a big. LaMelo is special.

On to the Bucks: great resiliency on a really tough night. We got punched in the mouth and still kept our composure and executed when it mattered. The playoffs really battle-tested this team. They don’t fold under pressure anymore.

Giannis was incredible. And that play by Bud at the end of the game was genius!! Give him credit there.

Fitting that Charlotte almost wins on a prayer half court three. What a crazy game.


That wasn't the only beautiful play he drew up, either. He's always been good with ATOs but it feels like we get a layup like 80% of the time now.
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Post#168 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Dec 2, 2021 2:44 pm

Boogie finally realizing that hitching your wagon to old-ass Lebron and the LA super-teams isn't really a profitable venture in order to rehab your career anymore, and I expect other veterans will eventually realize the same. Guys like David West, Pau, Dedmon etc. realized this 6-7 years ago when they flocked to San Antonio and played in a system that actually maximized their strengths.
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Post#169 » by emunney » Thu Dec 2, 2021 2:45 pm

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JimmyTheKid wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:I’m wondering why all the vitriol for the refs? Nba refs are usually terrible but didn’t seem that much more noticeable to me tonight.


You simply cannot "let them play" for the majority of the game and also call those two phantom fouls on Giannis and the one on Jrue. The refs were worse than usual last night.



they also ruled a defensive foul on Grayson Allen for getting elbowed in the face on a drive but then reviewed it and called a flagrant for the elbow to the face but kept the foul called it on the floor then let the hornets shoot 2 free throws anyways


That was so confusing. What exactly was the foul on Grayson if the contact was ruled a technical the other way?
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Post#170 » by JimmyTheKid » Thu Dec 2, 2021 2:53 pm

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You simply cannot "let them play" for the majority of the game and also call those two phantom fouls on Giannis and the one on Jrue. The refs were worse than usual last night.



they also ruled a defensive foul on Grayson Allen for getting elbowed in the face on a drive but then reviewed it and called a flagrant for the elbow to the face but kept the foul called it on the floor then let the hornets shoot 2 free throws anyways


That was so confusing. What exactly was the foul on Grayson if the contact was ruled a technical the other way?


Very confusing. It definitely wasn't a shooting foul. But even if it was, why didn't Hayward shoot the free throws first, with the Bucks getting a technical free throw and the ball after?
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Post#171 » by ackypoo » Thu Dec 2, 2021 3:10 pm

i wasnt sold on the cousins acquisition, but i think if he plays as good as he did last night he will be a great addition and our fans are going to absolutely love him for it.
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Post#172 » by neiLz » Thu Dec 2, 2021 3:11 pm

refs were brutal. hornets were on fire. LaMelo hit 8 3's? LOL. If they play again and give LaMelo those same shots, he probably hits 4 or 5 of them and bucks blow them out. Good to see a crunch time game as well. Giannis and Midds with big shots. Bring on the Raps!
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Post#173 » by emunney » Thu Dec 2, 2021 3:11 pm

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they also ruled a defensive foul on Grayson Allen for getting elbowed in the face on a drive but then reviewed it and called a flagrant for the elbow to the face but kept the foul called it on the floor then let the hornets shoot 2 free throws anyways


That was so confusing. What exactly was the foul on Grayson if the contact was ruled a technical the other way?


Very confusing. It definitely wasn't a shooting foul. But even if it was, why didn't Hayward shoot the free throws first, with the Bucks getting a technical free throw and the ball after?


Had a very "We're in charge so let's just make up what happens" vibe.
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Post#174 » by emunney » Thu Dec 2, 2021 3:13 pm

One great thing about playing Giannis with Boogie is that you absolutely can not double Boogie with Giannis on the floor, so you can get a one-on-one post touch with Boogie whenever you feel like it.
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Post#175 » by BigO » Thu Dec 2, 2021 3:17 pm

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aboveAverage wrote:First, holy crap guys but Charlotte is really good. That’s an exciting young squad they’re building there. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see them make an Atlanta-like run in the playoffs this year. Especially if they can somehow get a big. LaMelo is special.

On to the Bucks: great resiliency on a really tough night. We got punched in the mouth and still kept our composure and executed when it mattered. The playoffs really battle-tested this team. They don’t fold under pressure anymore.

Giannis was incredible. And that play by Bud at the end of the game was genius!! Give him credit there.

Fitting that Charlotte almost wins on a prayer half court three. What a crazy game.


That wasn't the only beautiful play he drew up, either. He's always been good with ATOs but it feels like we get a layup like 80% of the time now.


This must be the tenth comment on how good of a coaching move the last play to Giannis was.

Giannis was dominating the hornets inside all game. So calling a clear out for Giannis is great coaching? It's doing the obvious thing. Not getting the two time MVP the ball against a small team he has dominated all game would be coaching malfeasance.

That said, despite the torrid shooting by the Hornets, I didn't think the defensive schemes used by Bud were wrong. The Hornets consistently hit tough shots.
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Post#176 » by emunney » Thu Dec 2, 2021 3:37 pm

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aboveAverage wrote:First, holy crap guys but Charlotte is really good. That’s an exciting young squad they’re building there. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see them make an Atlanta-like run in the playoffs this year. Especially if they can somehow get a big. LaMelo is special.

On to the Bucks: great resiliency on a really tough night. We got punched in the mouth and still kept our composure and executed when it mattered. The playoffs really battle-tested this team. They don’t fold under pressure anymore.

Giannis was incredible. And that play by Bud at the end of the game was genius!! Give him credit there.

Fitting that Charlotte almost wins on a prayer half court three. What a crazy game.


That wasn't the only beautiful play he drew up, either. He's always been good with ATOs but it feels like we get a layup like 80% of the time now.


This must be the tenth comment on how good of a coaching move the last play to Giannis was.

Giannis was dominating the hornets inside all game. So calling a clear out for Giannis is great coaching? It's doing the obvious thing. Not getting the two time MVP the ball against a small team he has dominated all game would be coaching malfeasance.

That said, despite the torrid shooting by the Hornets, I didn't think the defensive schemes used by Bud were wrong. The Hornets consistently hit tough shots.


You don't get a layup if you just run through to one side of the floor and have Giannis attack the empty side. You don't get a layup if you inbound to Giannis. You get a swarm of bodies. Watch the off ball misdirection before the inbound and after Jrue's catch. They back-screen for Jrue so McDaniels has to switch onto him above the break, but behind the ball so Jrue can easily catch and turn for Giannis. Now your rim defense is out of the play and Giannis has the ball with momentum. If you just have Giannis iso, Washington will have help and we end up with a rushed jumpshot.
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Post#177 » by BigO » Thu Dec 2, 2021 3:51 pm

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That wasn't the only beautiful play he drew up, either. He's always been good with ATOs but it feels like we get a layup like 80% of the time now.


This must be the tenth comment on how good of a coaching move the last play to Giannis was.

Giannis was dominating the hornets inside all game. So calling a clear out for Giannis is great coaching? It's doing the obvious thing. Not getting the two time MVP the ball against a small team he has dominated all game would be coaching malfeasance.

That said, despite the torrid shooting by the Hornets, I didn't think the defensive schemes used by Bud were wrong. The Hornets consistently hit tough shots.


You don't get a layup if you just run through to one side of the floor and have Giannis attack the empty side. You don't get a layup if you inbound to Giannis. You get a swarm of bodies. Watch the off ball misdirection before the inbound and after Jrue's catch. They back-screen for Jrue so McDaniels has to switch onto him above the break, but behind the ball so Jrue can easily catch and turn for Giannis. Now your rim defense is out of the play and Giannis has the ball with momentum. If you just have Giannis iso, Washington will have help and we end up with a rushed jumpshot.


Giannis talked about the play. His job was to attack the basket and pass it if double teamed. Pretty basic. The brilliance of the play was on Giannis. He attacked immediately and the Bucks were spread so wide with shooters that the Hornets had no good options. It was the right call by Bud, rather than isolate Middleton who was having an inefficient night.
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Post#178 » by skones » Thu Dec 2, 2021 4:21 pm

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skones wrote:As I've said, all season long, it's criminal he wasn't on a roster. He's gotten the short end of the stick for not being "Boogie Cousins." He's absolutely a serviceable big in this league. When you're not a star, you're out of the league, but if you're a roleplayer teams will throw money at you, total BS on his end.

Being huge and being able to hit the triple and being able to pass the ball? Seriously, what. the. ****? He's had more than enough time to get past, "Give me the ball I'm Demarcus Cousins." For that to be a worry for this long is just a woeful failure by NBA GMs.

We don't know what happened in Boogie camp. Maybe they were looking only at a few teams for him to join and waited for a chance. Maybe he had to get in better shape first. Maybe his agent was in contact with Horst for weeks, but Horstie played hard to get. And maybe Horst needed some time to convince Bud to take a look.

I think it's not difficult to see that Mil was high on his prefered list, certainly with Brook out. And for the Bucks it is good timing to try him out.

He played 13 of his 15 minutes with Giannis. No worries for his +/- if this is the plan most of the times.
Straight from Boogies mouth, there were no other options. He worked out for Denver last week, didn't hear anything back, Bucks called on Friday, worked out Saturday by Ham and Milt Newton, went to dinner, talked to Bud on the phone, signed Sunday.
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Post#179 » by skones » Thu Dec 2, 2021 4:25 pm

BigO wrote:
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This must be the tenth comment on how good of a coaching move the last play to Giannis was.

Giannis was dominating the hornets inside all game. So calling a clear out for Giannis is great coaching? It's doing the obvious thing. Not getting the two time MVP the ball against a small team he has dominated all game would be coaching malfeasance.

That said, despite the torrid shooting by the Hornets, I didn't think the defensive schemes used by Bud were wrong. The Hornets consistently hit tough shots.


You don't get a layup if you just run through to one side of the floor and have Giannis attack the empty side. You don't get a layup if you inbound to Giannis. You get a swarm of bodies. Watch the off ball misdirection before the inbound and after Jrue's catch. They back-screen for Jrue so McDaniels has to switch onto him above the break, but behind the ball so Jrue can easily catch and turn for Giannis. Now your rim defense is out of the play and Giannis has the ball with momentum. If you just have Giannis iso, Washington will have help and we end up with a rushed jumpshot.


Giannis talked about the play. His job was to attack the basket and pass it if double teamed. Pretty basic. The brilliance of the play was on Giannis. He attacked immediately and the Bucks were spread so wide with shooters that the Hornets had no good options. It was the right call by Bud, rather than isolate Middleton who was having an inefficient night.
Lol. The extreme lengths you're willing to go to not give credit to a play that clearly deserves credit. They didn't throw the ball to Giannis outright for a reason. The floor was spread wide for a reason. Giannis got down hill before he received the ball for a reason.

Awfully picky and choosy from you. "This defensive scheme is trash because this guy does this instead of doing this on this action" to "well you just give the guy the ball sooooo." You can't be serious.
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