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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1641 » by M-C-G » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:09 pm

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On logic, the odds of Jabari blowing another ACL are way, way too high to ever invest $100 million in him concurrently with our 4-year window with Giannis. If we're wrong, we're screwed.



Kind of tired of this argument given all the teams that have 20M+ in either bad investments, injured investments or even marginal investments.

Ryan Anderson isn't holding Houston back from anything, Hayward isn't holding Boston back from anything, GS still wins championships without Livingston and Andrew making 20M+, I mean, I get where it is coming from, but if he were to get hurt it doesn't end all hope by any means. You just can't have it in conjunction with Delly, Telly, Snelly, Henson making 40M per year.
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1642 » by PANDEMONEUM » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:16 pm

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paulpressey25 wrote:
On logic, the odds of Jabari blowing another ACL are way, way too high to ever invest $100 million in him concurrently with our 4-year window with Giannis. If we're wrong, we're screwed.



Kind of tired of this argument given all the teams that have 20M+ in either bad investments, injured investments or even marginal investments.

Ryan Anderson isn't holding Houston back from anything, Hayward isn't holding Boston back from anything, GS still wins championships without Livingston and Andrew making 20M+, I mean, I get where it is coming from, but if he were to get hurt it doesn't end all hope by any means. You just can't have it in conjunction with Delly, Telly, Snelly, Henson making 40M per year.


but the Risk is too high.
im ok with moving Jabari or letting him go,
even if he becomes an all-star.

i dont want to waste the $ and time, if he were to get injured again.

that will waste, years and chances with Giannis

You just can't have it in conjunction with Delly, Telly, Snelly, Henson making 40M per year.....this is an entire convo on its own
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1643 » by Turk Nowitzki » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:17 pm

What are we trading for Whiteside that makes any sense? Why does Miami want to trade Whiteside to us in the first place?
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1644 » by leroyjw10 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:17 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:I think the Jabari trade concept is going to dominate these next 8 days.

On emotion, I'm all for Jabari coming back and being a Buck for life.

On logic, the odds of Jabari blowing another ACL are way, way too high to ever invest $100 million in him concurrently with our 4-year window with Giannis. If we're wrong, we're screwed.

On emotion and logic, if could package Jabari, Telly and Henson for DAJ and Lou Williams we might win the East this year.


Couldn't agree more. I'm unbelievably excited to go watch Jabari's return on Friday, even if it's just for 12 minutes. He's such an easy person to cheer for.

I've also never thought he fit next to Giannis, and would 100% be in favor of that trade.
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1645 » by emunney » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:19 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:I think the Jabari trade concept is going to dominate these next 8 days.

On emotion, I'm all for Jabari coming back and being a Buck for life.

On logic, the odds of Jabari blowing another ACL are way, way too high to ever invest $100 million in him concurrently with our 4-year window with Giannis. If we're wrong, we're screwed.

On emotion and logic, if could package Jabari, Telly and Henson for DAJ and Lou Williams we might win the East this year.


Out of curiosity, where would you put the % chance of Jabari blowing another ACL over the next 5 years? Studies I've read put the reinjury rate after a revision for athletes who return to their previous sport LOWER than the reinjury rate after an initial reconstruction. I think we might be focusing on the wrong issues when we focus on the reinjury risk.

Flanagan has said recently that he's stronger and faster than before. That obviously bodes well for what we would expect to translate to the court, but it's not a given. If it's true that he's stronger, faster, and leaner, then my main concern -- that he could return to the same level athletically after a revision, where 1/4 to 1/3 of patients do not even return to the same sport at the same level of play, much less performance -- would be satisfied.

Now, the reinjury risk is still greater than initial injury risk, and there are other long term factors like early arthritis that will come into play down the road, but I think we need to see if he can cross this first hurdle and be a good player. If he comes back and against all expectations is REALLY GOOD, the only way I'm not keeping him is if I get bowled over by a S&T offer. But that first if is a big, big if.
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1646 » by WallyMeanwell » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:23 pm

This article does a really nice job of laying out the strategy. Spend money on the right superstars (which involves luck) and spend as little as possible on anyone else. The $10-18m contracts are what kill you.
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/01/31/blake-griffin-clippers-pistons-trade-max-contract-free-agency

My opinion is that the following are playing above their cost right now and should either be kept or only moved for a superstar:
Bledsoe
Middleton

These guys are not going to play well enough for long enough to justify their current contract, so use them to get your superstar or 'break apart' their salaries and try to get low cost replacements:
Henson
Snell
Delly
Telly - but he isn't really moveable

Then you have:
Jabari - will he be worth it? I vote no so sell now.
Thon - he's not worth holding to, but he is also in the low salary pool already, so little risk to the team
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1647 » by MikeIsGood » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:43 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:What are we trading for Whiteside that makes any sense?


Nothing makes sense.

Why does Miami want to trade Whiteside to us in the first place?


Exactly my question.
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1648 » by Jimmmycrackcorn » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:46 pm

Fresh_Prince12 wrote:Why not take a gamble on Noel?

this is what i want

i can't imagine it'll take much to trade for him...and going to a playoff team would definitely get his competitive juices flowing

in my opinion, he's exactly the "type" of defense first center I want to put next to Jabari on the second unit.
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Post#1649 » by DingleJerry » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:46 pm

Yea through this all it seems to be lost that Miami is winning so I'm not sure why they're motivated to do this. Yea they have some bad deals and I'm sure they're worried about future tax bills, but if you're winning with them why not just ride it out as long as you can and sort it out later. The bad deals will be easier to move every year further you're into the deal.
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1650 » by Jimmmycrackcorn » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:50 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:Why does Miami want to trade Whiteside to us in the first place?

rumor is they want to dump the contract, and give more minutes to Bam
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Post#1651 » by DingleJerry » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:52 pm

I can see it, he's a huge contract and also should have ok trade value. You have Bam and Olynik to cover the 5. But willing to trade and so motivated in order to take blah offers are two different things.
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1652 » by Jimmmycrackcorn » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:52 pm

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7dpgac4

give up nothing, get a piece to help anchor the second unit
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Post#1653 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:52 pm

Yeah, they're open to trading him because BAM! is the real deal, and they've been nearly splitting the Center minutes down the middle for the last 15 or so games (26/21 for Whiteside/BAM respectively).
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Post#1654 » by raferfenix » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:53 pm

I’m ok taking a significant risk on Jabari provided we still see him as a high ceiling prospect.

Big difference between whether he could end up like prime Melo vs Tobias Harris. This team still needs more talent across the board too.

And I definitely don’t trade him for Deandre Jordan unless he agrees to opt in to another season or to a reasonable extension out of the gate.
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1655 » by Fresh_Prince12 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:53 pm

Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:
Turk Nowitzki wrote:Why does Miami want to trade Whiteside to us in the first place?

rumor is they want to dump the contract, and give more minutes to Bam



Isn’t weird that teams with legit defensive big men that are making a lot of money are trying to trade their contracts despite being effective on the court?
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1656 » by M-C-G » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:00 pm

PANDEMONEUM wrote:You just can't have it in conjunction with Delly, Telly, Snelly, Henson making 40M per year.....this is an entire convo on its own


So trading/losing the premium talent to compensate for the marginal talent is the approach? That is doubling down on the mistake IMO.
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Post#1657 » by Jimmmycrackcorn » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:00 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Yeah, they're open to trading him because BAM! is the real deal, and they've been nearly splitting the Center minutes down the middle for the last 15 or so games (26/21 for Whiteside/BAM respectively).

for the record, Bam is who I wanted in the first round this last draft.......
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1658 » by Jimmmycrackcorn » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:00 pm

Fresh_Prince12 wrote:
Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:
Turk Nowitzki wrote:Why does Miami want to trade Whiteside to us in the first place?

rumor is they want to dump the contract, and give more minutes to Bam



Isn’t weird that teams with legit defensive big men that are making a lot of money are trying to trade their contracts despite being effective on the court?

which is why i don't want the bucks spending 25 mil on a big man
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Re: Bucks Trade Ideas Thread 2018 

Post#1659 » by M-C-G » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:01 pm

leroyjw10 wrote:I've also never thought he fit next to Giannis, and would 100% be in favor of that trade.


The worlds greatest mystery to me, KhrISO Middleton is the greatest fit with Giannis but the off ball 20 ppg scorer who is a terror in transition with Giannis "doesn't fit" somehow...ok I suppose.

Middleton is a fine player, but the number of people who watch him and seem to think that the actual version of him is this fantastic fit with Giannis boggles my mind. Maybe when he played defense or maybe if he, you know, shot a lot of three pointers, but he doesn't.
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Post#1660 » by Profound23 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:02 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Yeah, they're open to trading him because BAM! is the real deal, and they've been nearly splitting the Center minutes down the middle for the last 15 or so games (26/21 for Whiteside/BAM respectively).


Remember how many Bucks fans celebrated when Miami took BAM because they feared he would fall to us?

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