Giannis Thread - DPOY Page 88

[MrBigShot]

Outsider opinion: this series is almost certainly over, but take a step back and realize it is exceptionally rare for a small market team to get their hands on a superstar as talented as Giannis in tandem with a perennial CoY candidate.

Once upon a time Dirk eviscerated the league en route to a 67-15 record while winning MVP, and followed it up by getting soundly beaten by the 8th seed warriors team that year. Fast forward a few years, and he puts together one of the most impressive post season performances of all time taking down the Blazers, up and coming Thunder, repeat Lakers, and the Heat's big 3.

Giannis went from low lotto pick to very good player to player that is at times in the conversation for best player in the league. I have no doubt the result of this series will drive him to make improvements to his ability to score in the half court, and there will be opportunities to upgrade his supporting cast.

Was there a coaching change after that disastrous upset?

Appreciate the post.

A fair point and something I'm sure you guys have discussed here in the last few days. I don't watch the Bucks regularly but my impression is that Bud is an upper echelon coach and not the major source of the struggles.

[glenn]

Outsider opinion: this series is almost certainly over, but take a step back and realize it is exceptionally rare for a small market team to get their hands on a superstar as talented as Giannis in tandem with a perennial CoY candidate.

Once upon a time Dirk eviscerated the league en route to a 67-15 record while winning MVP, and followed it up by getting soundly beaten by the 8th seed warriors team that year. Fast forward a few years, and he puts together one of the most impressive post season performances of all time taking down the Blazers, up and coming Thunder, repeat Lakers, and the Heat's big 3.

Giannis went from low lotto pick to very good player to player that is at times in the conversation for best player in the league. I have no doubt the result of this series will drive him to make improvements to his ability to score in the half court, and there will be opportunities to upgrade his supporting cast.

Ha, good post, but I don’t think the realgm dot com Bucks board is capable of keeping things in perspective like that. It’s going to be Giannis trade scenarios until he signs his next contract at least.

Bud has shown his whole ass, though.

[Prez]

If they keep Bud around I'd trade Giannis. You're basically setting yourself up to have him walk for nothing, with Bud back the entire regular season would be a waste of time and you're a lock to not win anything in the playoffs and probably close to a lock to go out in embarrassing fashion which would make his decision even easier. The only possible exception to that would be if they pulled off a trade for a borderline superstar like Dame, and that definitely isn't happening.

We sure as hell gotta do better than freaking Wiggins and #2 though.

[LEGOATGM]

Im not gonna lie i have bought into the hype the last 2 years i do not blame him one bit for last year i mean Kawhi was a very good adversary but this year? Come on he has got to improve i hope NBA writers do not give him another MVP becaause at the min he is playing like he has hardly any skill and is like a flat track bullly. He is unguardable running downhill he just needs to work in the offseason alot. He has it all, has so much physical dominance a great handle he can still get better.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

If they keep Bud around I'd trade Giannis. You're basically setting yourself up to have him walk for nothing, with Bud back the entire regular season would be a waste of time and you're a lock to not win anything in the playoffs and probably close to a lock to go out in embarrassing fashion which would make his decision even easier. The only possible exception to that would be if they pulled off a trade for a borderline superstar like Dame, and that definitely isn't happening.

We sure as hell gotta do better than freaking Wiggins and #2 though.

Your order of operations is backwards. We will know if Giannis is resigning in the fall and then you (in reality, Giannis) decides if bud is back. If Giannis doesn't sign the supermax, he is leaving. No reason to subject himself to the daily where is he going questions if he wanted to return.

[mke_design]

Outsider opinion: this series is almost certainly over, but take a step back and realize it is exceptionally rare for a small market team to get their hands on a superstar as talented as Giannis in tandem with a perennial CoY candidate.

Once upon a time Dirk eviscerated the league en route to a 67-15 record while winning MVP, and followed it up by getting soundly beaten by the 8th seed warriors team that year. Fast forward a few years, and he puts together one of the most impressive post season performances of all time taking down the Blazers, up and coming Thunder, repeat Lakers, and the Heat's big 3.

Giannis went from low lotto pick to very good player to player that is at times in the conversation for best player in the league. I have no doubt the result of this series will drive him to make improvements to his ability to score in the half court, and there will be opportunities to upgrade his supporting cast.

Was there a coaching change after that disastrous upset?

Appreciate the post.

A fair point and something I'm sure you guys have discussed here in the last few days. I don't watch the Bucks regularly but my impression is that Bud is an upper echelon coach and not the major source of the struggles.

He’d be great for a team like you guys, no disrespect. He builds a culture of winning and knows what he’s doing most of the time during the regular season. He is not the guy for this team - he is our Avery Johnson.

[mke_design]

If they keep Bud around I'd trade Giannis. You're basically setting yourself up to have him walk for nothing, with Bud back the entire regular season would be a waste of time and you're a lock to not win anything in the playoffs and probably close to a lock to go out in embarrassing fashion which would make his decision even easier. The only possible exception to that would be if they pulled off a trade for a borderline superstar like Dame, and that definitely isn't happening.

We sure as hell gotta do better than freaking Wiggins and #2 though.

Your order of operations is backwards. We will know if Giannis is resigning in the fall and then you (in reality, Giannis) decides if bud is back. If Giannis doesn't sign the supermax, he is leaving. No reason to subject himself to the daily where is he going questions if he wanted to return.

You’re forgetting that he doesn’t sign the supermax but signs a 2+1 or 1+1.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'm in the general mindset that it's so damn hard to get to a place where you're a real title contender that even if I knew that star player was leaving in a year I'd take my chances to win that 1 year over trading him.

So as of a couple weeks ago I would have said no to any Giannis trades even if he didn't sign an extension. Now I'm questioning if this team is even a true contender so I guess I'd have to think about it if it was a monster haul. But I'd still lean towards making other moves to improve and try to win again next year.

Oh and the top of this upcoming draft flat out sucks so I wouldn't even consider that Wiggins and 2 trade. I don't think the 2nd pick in this draft is all that much more valuable than like the 8th pick. I think this is actually a decent role player draft but it's completely lacking any sure fire stars.
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[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

If they keep Bud around I'd trade Giannis. You're basically setting yourself up to have him walk for nothing, with Bud back the entire regular season would be a waste of time and you're a lock to not win anything in the playoffs and probably close to a lock to go out in embarrassing fashion which would make his decision even easier. The only possible exception to that would be if they pulled off a trade for a borderline superstar like Dame, and that definitely isn't happening.

We sure as hell gotta do better than freaking Wiggins and #2 though.

Your order of operations is backwards. We will know if Giannis is resigning in the fall and then you (in reality, Giannis) decides if bud is back. If Giannis doesn't sign the supermax, he is leaving. No reason to subject himself to the daily where is he going questions if he wanted to return.

You’re forgetting that he doesn’t sign the supermax but signs a 2+1 or 1+1.

True but I think he dictates buds fate before signing the 1+1, 2+1, or supermax.

[Plossum]

Needs to watch footage of Wade and Luka in the off season. Work on that slow dribble into the paint poke around for a gap and explode to the hole. He’s only really got that straight line drive which is obviously super effective but also makes him quite predictable for the better defences.

[machu46]

Needs to watch footage of Wade and Luka in the off season. Work on that slow dribble into the paint poke around for a gap and explode to the hole. He’s only really got that straight line drive which is obviously super effective but also makes him quite predictable for the better defences.

Hell just watch film of Butler against us. Or Dragic. I agree though, that’s one of the top things I hope he works on in the offseason. Really though I pray he works on playing without the ball, being more of a screener/lob threat, etc. and we get a PG that can handle the two man game more with him.


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[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

MVP has to be announced pretty soon right? Feel every other award has been announced. They probably assumed Giannis would be in the ECF.

[theFireBlanket]

Khris & Giannis PnR & PnP.

[coolhandluke121]

Just being able to get defensive rebounds against Adebayo and scoring a few Tyson Chandlers at the rim would be a huge addition to the club in game 5, provided he doesn't disrupt the chemistry on offense of course.

[Fotis St]

Im not gonna lie i have bought into the hype the last 2 years i do not blame him one bit for last year i mean Kawhi was a very good adversary but this year? Come on he has got to improve i hope NBA writers do not give him another MVP becaause at the min he is playing like he has hardly any skill and is like a flat track bullly. He is unguardable running downhill he just needs to work in the offseason alot. He has it all, has so much physical dominance a great handle he can still get better.

Are you James Harden ?
The only thing he needs to do is to climb to close to 80% at his FTs.
And one thing to clear it up, Giannis is playing 1v3 at every possession, cause of the ef***ng playoff wall the opponents set on him ... I mean , I can't remember any player in the NBA History to face against a Wall ... Jordan, Kobe, Lebron ...
I thing the Players needs to ask the League to change the rules again and guard your man. packing the paint is not basketball, its elementary basketball and it multiplies the injury risk of players.

[th87]

He needs to fire whoever his shooting coach is. Don't know how his good form regressed to this shot-put no touch thing he does now.

Muscles shouldn't affect your actual mechanics.

[Pachinko_]

He needs to fire whoever his shooting coach is. Don't know how his good form regressed to this shot-put no touch thing he does now.

Muscles shouldn't affect your actual mechanics.

Why tho? I think it can, there are body builders out there who literally can't cross their arms fully (not that Giannis is anywhere near that, just saying that muscles do take up space and can get in the way)
Never mind the recalibration of everything as things start to feel lighter.

There's a lot of guys that it doesn't affect them one bit, their body was always designed to fill up with wide bone structure etc.
Others not so much.

[th87]

He needs to fire whoever his shooting coach is. Don't know how his good form regressed to this shot-put no touch thing he does now.

Muscles shouldn't affect your actual mechanics.

Why tho? I think it can, there are body builders out there who literally can't cross their arms fully (not that Giannis is anywhere near that, just saying that muscles do take up space and can get in the way)
Never mind the recalibration of everything as things start to feel lighter.

There's a lot of guys that it doesn't affect them one bit, their body was always designed to fill up with wide bone structure etc.
Others not so much.

Yeah, I don’t think he got so muscular that his original shooting motion would be impeded (and if it did, he needs to get into yoga or something). Recalibration to account for distance? Sure.

Check out his debut - the shooting form is much more fluid and employs his wrists to snap and rotate the ball, and the touch is evident. Now he pushes the ball upward with his shoulders, which causes it to somewhat knuckleball and clang violently if it's not on target.

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I just don't see what about his current musculature would prevent the original motion.

[AussieBuck]

He needs to fire whoever his shooting coach is. Don't know how his good form regressed to this shot-put no touch thing he does now.

Muscles shouldn't affect your actual mechanics.

Can't fire Sweeney twice, jumper is still a mess because he's halfway between what he's been taught now and the remnants of 4 years of that overhead hurl. Not saying he'll fix it because there's a great chance he's like a golfer who's had his swing remodelled too many times but it's not that surprising that the 2 years of competent coaches haven't won over 4 years of bad. There's how ever many hundred thousand repetitions of his bad form up there in his head/muscle memory.

[AussieBuck]

3 different shots:

Rookie year Giannis

4 years of Sweeney derp

2 years under Bud's team. When the current shot is right it looks at least a bit like the rookie year smoothness.