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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1901 » by ampd » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:47 pm

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birlik54 wrote:Let's give Hammond a little time to implement a different vision before we criticize him for not making moves. I see a lot of knee-jerk reactions.


He's had 6 years and plenty of failure to show for it. He doesn't get the benefit of doubt because he doesn't deserve it.


I mean that's your opinion and I agree to some extent, but let's not pretend that Hammond was working completely independently from the Herb Kohl model of acquiring middling aging talent to make the 8 seed.

And are we seriously going to trash a guy for not trading for Jeremy Lin and a +25 first round pick next year? No big loss there.


I'm not trashing Hammond for not making the move with Lin, I'm saying our standard needs to be better than optimism that at least he hasn't saddled the franchise with another bad contract for a vet in the first 2 weeks of free agency.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1902 » by emunney » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:48 pm

Also next year's draft has average depth. I don't agree that it's loaded at all. I'm always down with extra picks, but they are not THAT valuable and there are big opportunity costs to absorbing Lin.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1903 » by PkrsBcksGphsMqt » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:49 pm

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PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:1) We need to collect assets. Taking on anyone for one year in return for a 1st round pick in a loaded draft is a good idea.

2) Lin doesn't have to play over anyone, that's the coach's decision.

3) Knight isn't a PG.

I'm so tired of the "loaded draft" crap. I don't care how much perceived talent there is in this class. Odds are still that the 25th pick is not gonna amount to much.


I'd rather have Lin+#25 than nothing. We could still trade Lin during the season/deadline. Come draft time, everyone would be happy to have an additional 1st round pick. If we make some other moves that workout for us, great. I'm just disappointed we didn't make an effort to an acquire a pretty easy 1st round round pick.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1904 » by machu46 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:57 pm

Ken Berger is reporting that Sacto is looking for a rim protector or stretch 4 to go with Cousins right now.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1905 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:58 pm

machu46 wrote:Ken Berger is reporting that Sacto is looking for a rim protector or stretch 4 to go with Cousins right now.

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1906 » by mlloyd10 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:00 pm

machu46 wrote:Ken Berger is reporting that Sacto is looking for a rim protector or stretch 4 to go with Cousins right now.


Ilyasova for McLemore/Terry...Come on Hammond
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1907 » by Waukee Taukee » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:02 pm

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That's just not the standard by which to judge quality organizations. We need to do better than just not making franchise crippling moves.

Sure- but nobody's saying that should be the standard. I just don't expect the front office to suddenly transform into one of the league's savviest in a period of just a couple months.

Just saying maybe we should be optimistic that the Bucks aren't falling over themselves to make a deal.


What is the point of having new ownership if they aren't going to transform the front office into a savvier one? The only reason we wouldn't expect us to transform into a savvier one instantly is they made the decision to keep the decision makers from the Kohl era around. That was their decision, they didn't have to keep Hammond and Morway. Keeping them doesn't lower the bar.

If Hammond, Morway, Babcock, etc were really great executives held down by the evil manipulating Kohl then they should be held to the same high standard we would judge a new group of executives. Being happy they haven't already dashed our hopes by making even more terrible signings than they already have in their time here while chasing this year's version of JR Smith shouldn't be the standard with which to judge these guys, and frankly it never should have been.

You're lashing out at me and addressing all sorts of points that I've never made here.

I apologize for my cautious optimism. :roll:
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1908 » by driese0824 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:04 pm

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machu46 wrote:Ken Berger is reporting that Sacto is looking for a rim protector or stretch 4 to go with Cousins right now.


Ilyasova for McLemore/Terry...Come on Hammond



Please tell me wth is so special bout McLemore didn't he flat out stink last year
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1909 » by skones » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:05 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:
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PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:1) We need to collect assets. Taking on anyone for one year in return for a 1st round pick in a loaded draft is a good idea.

2) Lin doesn't have to play over anyone, that's the coach's decision.

3) Knight isn't a PG.

I'm so tired of the "loaded draft" crap. I don't care how much perceived talent there is in this class. Odds are still that the 25th pick is not gonna amount to much.


I'd rather have Lin+#25 than nothing. We could still trade Lin during the season/deadline. Come draft time, everyone would be happy to have an additional 1st round pick. If we make some other moves that workout for us, great. I'm just disappointed we didn't make an effort to an acquire a pretty easy 1st round round pick.


Well you're not the one paying 15 million for that pick........
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1910 » by PkrsBcksGphsMqt » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:06 pm

skones wrote:
PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:
Sherman Douglas wrote:I'm so tired of the "loaded draft" crap. I don't care how much perceived talent there is in this class. Odds are still that the 25th pick is not gonna amount to much.


I'd rather have Lin+#25 than nothing. We could still trade Lin during the season/deadline. Come draft time, everyone would be happy to have an additional 1st round pick. If we make some other moves that workout for us, great. I'm just disappointed we didn't make an effort to an acquire a pretty easy 1st round round pick.


Well you're not the one paying 15 million for that pick........


Luckily we have two billionaire owners now; not one middling millionaire.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1911 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:08 pm

driese0824 wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:
machu46 wrote:Ken Berger is reporting that Sacto is looking for a rim protector or stretch 4 to go with Cousins right now.

Ilyasova for McLemore/Terry...Come on Hammond

Please tell me wth is so special bout McLemore didn't he flat out stink last year

I mean Ersan is the player going out if you want to talk about flat out stinking.....
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1912 » by ampd » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:11 pm

Waukee Taukee wrote:
ampd wrote:
Waukee Taukee wrote:Sure- but nobody's saying that should be the standard. I just don't expect the front office to suddenly transform into one of the league's savviest in a period of just a couple months.

Just saying maybe we should be optimistic that the Bucks aren't falling over themselves to make a deal.


What is the point of having new ownership if they aren't going to transform the front office into a savvier one? The only reason we wouldn't expect us to transform into a savvier one instantly is they made the decision to keep the decision makers from the Kohl era around. That was their decision, they didn't have to keep Hammond and Morway. Keeping them doesn't lower the bar.

If Hammond, Morway, Babcock, etc were really great executives held down by the evil manipulating Kohl then they should be held to the same high standard we would judge a new group of executives. Being happy they haven't already dashed our hopes by making even more terrible signings than they already have in their time here while chasing this year's version of JR Smith shouldn't be the standard with which to judge these guys, and frankly it never should have been.

You're lashing out at me and addressing all sorts of points that I've never made here.

I apologize for my cautious optimism. :roll:


No need to be so sensitive. I just disagree, its not that big of a deal.

You are welcome to be optimistic, I just expect better from our new owners than to take us from one of the worst front offices in the league to merely one that doesn't annually make indefensibly terrible moves. Going from horrific to below average isn't going to keep the team in Milwaukee.

I'm also not writing off the last 6 years of Hammond and pretending they don't exist so I can be optimistic about it. I was placing my disagreement with you in the larger context of the retention of Hammond and the front office. Not sure why you feel that was inappropriate.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#1913 » by BigO » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:12 pm

Ersan is a valuable piece for a team that's contending. Don't throw him away on someone who is not very good.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1914 » by JHSFIVE » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:15 pm

driese0824 wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:
machu46 wrote:Ken Berger is reporting that Sacto is looking for a rim protector or stretch 4 to go with Cousins right now.


Ilyasova for McLemore/Terry...Come on Hammond



Please tell me wth is so special bout McLemore didn't he flat out stink last year


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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1915 » by Johnlac1 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:18 pm

driese0824 wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:
machu46 wrote:Ken Berger is reporting that Sacto is looking for a rim protector or stretch 4 to go with Cousins right now.


Ilyasova for McLemore/Terry...Come on Hammond



Please tell me wth is so special bout McLemore didn't he flat out stink last year

I'd do that deal in an instant. Right now the Bucks do not have a good big sg. McLemore is still only 21 with super athleticism and a good-looking jump shot. Not a lot of bb IQ, but as a scoring guard that deficit can be hidden better than a pg with a low IQ. Ilyasova has played well for the Bucks, but he's expendable. The best thing going for him is his ability to spread the floor. But Parker can learn to hit the three and so can McLemore.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#1916 » by ampd » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:18 pm

We need to unload a PF somehow if Jabari is going to play the 4. Ersan or Henson for McLemore would be pretty ideal, although it would probably require other parts.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin/Bledsoe (Vasquez signs w/ TOR) 

Post#1917 » by MrPerfect1 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:20 pm

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We're not getting another top 5 pick in the draft. It's not happening.


Says you. I think there is a very good chance that we do.


I highly doubt it unless we tear down a bit or lightening strikes twice for us. I look forward to visiting this topic later on in the year.


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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#1918 » by cinematographer » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:22 pm

ampd wrote:We need to unload a PF somehow if Jabari is going to play the 4. Ersan or Henson for McLemore would be pretty ideal, although it would probably require other parts.

Orlando's looking to get better in a hurry. They just acquired Fournier. Arsen and Henson gives them another stretch big who, coupled with Frye, can keep their offense spread all game, and Henson can be their Vucevic back-up.

I say this, because I'd rather have Fournier than McLemore 97 times out of 100.
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#1919 » by EastSideBucksFan » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:24 pm

ampd wrote:We need to unload a PF somehow if Jabari is going to play the 4. Ersan or Henson for McLemore would be pretty ideal, although it would probably require other parts.



Henson has not shown to be a PF yet and I don't think he will.

PF/C can still be

Jabari/Ersan/Obryant
Sanders/Henson/Zaza/Miro


Ideally we'd move out Zaza & Ersan. Should be able to find a taker for them
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Re: Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably. 

Post#1920 » by rioeire » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:25 pm

Thanks god lin is not coming here

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