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Re: Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - CP3/Gallo trade idea pg.81 

Post#1941 » by paulpressey25 » Sun Jan 5, 2020 3:42 pm

ElPeregrino wrote:I think breaking up our core is extremely risky and the potential gains from any trade are minimal. Bledsoe, Hill, DDV, Matthews, Middleton, Connaughton, Giannis, Thanos, Ersan, Brook, and Robin would all create holes if we lose them. So my question is who is the best player we can get for any combination of Wilson, Bender, Korver, Brown, and two 1sts. I think we could get Covington (might have to throw in Connaughton to make the salaries work).


Agreed.

And while that Sterling/DJ/Indy first for Bogdan sounds great, you’d still have to add Bender or Pat to make the salaries work. Think sending out that many guys for an unknown fussy Euro (sorry Chuck) might be too risky on the chemistry front.
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Post#1943 » by LuessiT » Sun Jan 5, 2020 3:49 pm

Pretty sure the Pistons love him but would love to pry Sekou away from them:

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Post#1944 » by raferfenix » Sun Jan 5, 2020 4:04 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Agreed.

And while that Sterling/DJ/Indy first for Bogdan sounds great, you’d still have to add Bender or Pat to make the salaries work. Think sending out that many guys for an unknown fussy Euro (sorry Chuck) might be too risky on the chemistry front.


Sterling + DJ + Bender seems as low-risk of a trade package of that size that a team in our position could make.

Losing Pat would be a bigger hit than those guys.

Brown and Wilson likely would prefer to go to a team where they have a greater shot at getting clock. I don't think too many tears would be shed over them leaving.

Bender might hit the waiver wire either way so I don't think he'd come into the equation.
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Post#1945 » by jakecronus8 » Sun Jan 5, 2020 4:39 pm

Still think Bamba is a great potential buy low project. Orlando doesn’t have a spot for him and him having the zero pressure situation like he would here would be ideal for him. He is an athletic freak with a freakish body (in raw terms even more so than Giannis). Learning the game from the Lopez Bros and being pushed by a guy like Giannis could lead to some serious long term gains. Maybe we could consolidate Wilson and Brown along with that Indy pick and open up some roster space for a buyout option in the process. I’m pretty sure I’d take Bamba far ahead of anyone available with that Pacers pick.
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Post#1946 » by drew881 » Sun Jan 5, 2020 4:40 pm

The bigger disruption is not whom you lose but how you redistribute the minutes. We saw that a bit last year with Mirotic.
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Post#1947 » by LuessiT » Sun Jan 5, 2020 4:54 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Still think Bamba is a great potential buy low project. Orlando doesn’t have a spot for him and him having the zero pressure situation like he would here would be ideal for him. He is an athletic freak with a freakish body (in raw terms even more so than Giannis). Learning the game from the Lopez Bros and being pushed by a guy like Giannis could lead to some serious long term gains. Maybe we could consolidate Wilson and Brown along with that Indy pick and open up some roster space for a buyout option in the process. I’m pretty sure I’d take Bamba far ahead of anyone available with that Pacers pick.


Not particularly into Bamba but I'm very much for dedicating roster spots and the Pacers pick to high upside players on rookie contracts. Ideally that guy would be a combo forward but if we're looking for high upside players on a discount we can't be choosers.
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Post#1948 » by coolhandluke121 » Sun Jan 5, 2020 5:10 pm

drew881 wrote:The bigger disruption is not whom you lose but how you redistribute the minutes. We saw that a bit last year with Mirotic.


Yep. Started 4 games at SF against the Raptors, with Brogdon on the bench. Underrated factor in losing that series. By the time they realized it was a mistake, they had already blown games 3 and 4 and were well on their way to losing. I don't totally blame Mirotic, as that was a really bad match-up for him and he had no business playing SF, but the point remains: sometimes the whole is less than the sum of the parts. They didn't need another potential ~15-20 ppg scorer.

That's why I think most of the trade suggestions with DJ, Brown, and the Indy pick kind of miss the point. How would they get a clear upgrade with a package like that? Whose minutes do you reduce? You'd just be getting a guy who's maybe marginally better than Matthews, Ersan, or RoLo. I don't think you could even get someone as good as Hill. And even if you get a pretty good player, the fit is unproven. Even if you could get Iguodala for example, do you really want another bad shooter taking some of Ersan's minutes and some of Wes's? He's better than those guys, but not a better fit...

I think they should just trade Brown and/or DJ for 2nd-round picks to keep their books in order and keep the rest of the team together. If they do make a trade that significantly changes their rotation, it should be a borderline blockbuster that actually allows you to consolidate depth for a better top-7 rotation in the playoffs.
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Post#1949 » by DavidDunn21 » Sun Jan 5, 2020 5:23 pm

Just as a silly thought:

Bucks get:
Booker
Rubio
Joe Harris

Nets get:
Midds
Bledsoe

Suns get:
Kyrie
Ersan
Dinwiddie


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Post#1950 » by SirChurros » Sun Jan 5, 2020 5:48 pm

Unless there are rumblings or guys like DJ and Sterling verbally express frustration over not getting playing time (a la Thon), I see absolutely no reason why you would make any deadline move unless someone gets hurt. You don't mess with the chemistry of a team that's 32-5 and three games better than the second-best team in the entire league.
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Post#1951 » by LuessiT » Sun Jan 5, 2020 5:53 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:
drew881 wrote:The bigger disruption is not whom you lose but how you redistribute the minutes. We saw that a bit last year with Mirotic.


Yep. Started 4 games at SF against the Raptors, with Brogdon on the bench. Underrated factor in losing that series. By the time they realized it was a mistake, they had already blown games 3 and 4 and were well on their way to losing. I don't totally blame Mirotic, as that was a really bad match-up for him and he had no business playing SF, but the point remains: sometimes the whole is less than the sum of the parts. They didn't need another potential ~15-20 ppg scorer.

That's why I think most of the trade suggestions with DJ, Brown, and the Indy pick kind of miss the point. How would they get a clear upgrade with a package like that? Whose minutes do you reduce? You'd just be getting a guy who's maybe marginally better than Matthews, Ersan, or RoLo. I don't think you could even get someone as good as Hill. And even if you get a pretty good player, the fit is unproven. Even if you could get Iguodala for example, do you really want another bad shooter taking some of Ersan's minutes and some of Wes's? He's better than those guys, but not a better fit...

I think they should just trade Brown and/or DJ for 2nd-round picks to keep their books in order and keep the rest of the team together. If they do make a trade that significantly changes their rotation, it should be a borderline blockbuster that actually allows you to consolidate depth for a better top-7 rotation in the playoffs.


I think there is a case to make for trading Brown/DJ/assets for a buy low player that may not be in the rotation short term but may be a talent upgrade long term. Personally I feel very confident that Giannis signs the supermax in the off-season so we shouldn't just focus on the next 2 years but possibly the next 6 or even more. If there is a guy available that the FO thinks could be a sidekick to Giannis long term and they don't have to disturb the rotation I say go for it.
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Post#1952 » by LuessiT » Sun Jan 5, 2020 5:55 pm

Krispy Kreme wrote:Unless there are rumblings or guys like DJ and Sterling verbally express frustration over not getting playing time (a la Thon), I see absolutely no reason why you would make any deadline move unless someone gets hurt. You don't mess with the chemistry of a team that's 32-5 and three games better than the second-best team in the entire league.


Do you really think the chemistry changes one way or another if we trade Brown, DJ or Bender? I very much doubt it.
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Post#1953 » by paulpressey25 » Sun Jan 5, 2020 6:07 pm

LuessiT wrote:
Krispy Kreme wrote:Unless there are rumblings or guys like DJ and Sterling verbally express frustration over not getting playing time (a la Thon), I see absolutely no reason why you would make any deadline move unless someone gets hurt. You don't mess with the chemistry of a team that's 32-5 and three games better than the second-best team in the entire league.


Do you really think the chemistry changes one way or another if we trade Brown, DJ or Bender? I very much doubt it.


But it is also who you bring in. I’m leery of Bogdanovic for example.
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Post#1954 » by SirChurros » Sun Jan 5, 2020 6:26 pm

LuessiT wrote:
Krispy Kreme wrote:Unless there are rumblings or guys like DJ and Sterling verbally express frustration over not getting playing time (a la Thon), I see absolutely no reason why you would make any deadline move unless someone gets hurt. You don't mess with the chemistry of a team that's 32-5 and three games better than the second-best team in the entire league.


Do you really think the chemistry changes one way or another if we trade Brown, DJ or Bender? I very much doubt it.


Yes, I do. I think any time you're doing a bunch of really successful things and throw a wrench in it by getting rid of any part of that success, you are taking a risk. These are guys that are with each other day in and day out, and have built a bond over winning. That's not to say it would derail the season or that these guys don't know it's a business, but it seems like an unnecessary risk. In my opinion, of course.

paulpressey25 wrote:
Krispy Kreme wrote:Unless there are rumblings or guys like DJ and Sterling verbally express frustration over not getting playing time (a la Thon), I see absolutely no reason why you would make any deadline move unless someone gets hurt. You don't mess with the chemistry of a team that's 32-5 and three games better than the second-best team in the entire league.


But it is also who you bring in. I’m leery of Bogdanovic for example.


Agree.
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Post#1955 » by raferfenix » Sun Jan 5, 2020 9:36 pm

Is the concern with Bogdan that he’d want too many shots / minutes in his contract year?

Or just general fit?

Rotation wise, if we could some how swing him for Sterling + DJ + Bender + Pacers pick, here’s what we’d be looking at:

1: Bledsoe, Hill, Donte
2: Wes, Bogdan, Pat
3: Middleton, Korver, Thanos
4: Giannis, Ersan, roster spot
5: Lopez, Lopez, roster spot
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Post#1956 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Sun Jan 5, 2020 10:01 pm

being a bucks fan has become whatev.

very few trade ideas make sense. none that matter do. either way the board is a bore on that topic.

our games are over by halftime and even if theyre not so what. we can only fake theres an issue once a month if we lose one of these goddam things.

sure we can manufacture drama over whether brogdon or middletons contracts make sense. but honestly? whatev. whats it matter if youre 45-7 the all-star break what the goddam payroll is or wtf were facing in the future besides Giannis contract. we literally dont even have a bad contract on this team we can suggest a **** move to get rid of. im supposed to get excited brainstorming about how we upgrade sterling brown for crissakes?

obviously the playoffs will matter but who gives a **** in January about that. sure there will be like 3 weeks this spring that the season starts to matter but why bother with message board life if that's all its become about.

so im not sure if this is even an improvement in my life. if we win a championship what does it really matter to me the next day after. at least before I felt like brainstorming ideas about how to improve was some fun.

on a side note I played golf today and its like the 3rd time in a row ive gone out in the last couple weeks and shot 80 in the 45 degrees NC gives me this time of year. that's now like wtf ev too. im getting old and I cant make the turn or go low anymore so that's become boring too.

I guess ill just keep drinking more beer today and think of something else that's fun to do.
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Post#1957 » by tydett » Sun Jan 5, 2020 10:01 pm

The one great concern I have is that Lasry might want to make his stamp on the team. As is, this is Wes' and Horst's team, and if you think the guy who brought in his buddy Jason Kidd wants to have to tell people that the other owners designed the team that won the NBA championships at parties isn't gonna do anything with his authority, I got property to sell you in Florida.
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Post#1958 » by Chuck Diesel » Sun Jan 5, 2020 10:05 pm

Dragan Bender is the best big man in the G-league on both sides of the court.
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Post#1959 » by Shaffty » Sun Jan 5, 2020 10:20 pm

DavidDunn21 wrote:Just as a silly thought:

Bucks get:
Booker
Rubio
Joe Harris

Nets get:
Midds
Bledsoe

Suns get:
Kyrie
Ersan
Dinwiddie


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Post#1960 » by Shaffty » Sun Jan 5, 2020 10:37 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:being a bucks fan has become whatev.

very few trade ideas make sense. none that matter do. either way the board is a bore on that topic.

our games are over by halftime and even if theyre not so what. we can only fake theres an issue once a month if we lose one of these goddam things.

sure we can manufacture drama over whether brogdon or middletons contracts make sense. but honestly? whatev. whats it matter if youre 45-7 the all-star break what the goddam payroll is or wtf were facing in the future besides Giannis contract. we literally dont even have a bad contract on this team we can suggest a **** move to get rid of. im supposed to get excited brainstorming about how we upgrade sterling brown for crissakes?

obviously the playoffs will matter but who gives a **** in January about that. sure there will be like 3 weeks this spring that the season starts to matter but why bother with message board life if that's all its become about.

so im not sure if this is even an improvement in my life. if we win a championship what does it really matter to me the next day after. at least before I felt like brainstorming ideas about how to improve was some fun.

on a side note I played golf today and its like the 3rd time in a row ive gone out in the last couple weeks and shot 80 in the 45 degrees NC gives me this time of year. that's now like wtf ev too. im getting old and I cant make the turn or go low anymore so that's become boring too.

I guess ill just keep drinking more beer today and think of something else that's fun to do.



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