Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[randy84]

If we come away with anyone other than Parker I'm going to be extremely disappointed.

I thought you were on the Embiid train? You are the first person I remember mentioning him as the best prospect at the beginning of the year.

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Is Gilbert's kid on twitter? Someone send him that Wiggins highschool youtube reel.

[MrPerfect1]

Melo is a go to scorer that the defenses attach to like Marion never saw in his NBA career and yet his scoring stats are still exceptional. Marion simply did not have the ability to do what Melo does and where he changed the game in other areas, it isn't to the level that Melo's scoring is impact wise. Melo may not be a #1 on a team that will win it all, but he is certainly in the range that say Stoudemire was in Phoenix compared to where Marion was.

Yes Melo scored more points than Marion, but that is only a small part of the game. Last year, Brandon Jennings scored more than Chris Paul, but I think Paul is slightly better Melo's scoring stats are not exceptional and is simply a volume shooter/scorer, and he is nowhere near the Offensive force that Amare was.

Melo has a career TS% of 55% in comparison to Amare's of 60%. Melo has had 1 season in the 57% TS range. Amare has had 6 Different Seasons over 61% TS.

Our goal shouldn't be to draft the player who will have the Highest PPG but rather the player who plays the most efficiently and impacts winning the most.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Interesting that embiid is coming in for a workout. Must not have gotten a solid commitment from Cleveland. Probably means Cleveland is seriously considering trading the pick or maybe the back is truly a concern. I'm happy the bucks will be able to see for themselves.


Side note- if you could guarantee me that anyone would have have a Shawn Marion career I would take them at 2 in a heatbeat. He was a hell of a player and insanely durable. His career numbers in rebounds blocks steals are a combination that only a handful of guys have ever got to and he was a 20+ point a game scorer in his prime. No question I would take prime Marion over melo. Heck he was better than Stoudemire on those suns teams.

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[Baddy Chuck]

Melo has a career TS% of 55% in comparison to Amare's of 60%. Melo has had 1 season in the 57% TS range. Amare has had 6 Different Seasons over 61% TS.

Little bit of a difference between a wing and a power forward playing next to Steve Nash when it comes to TS%......... And if we really want to play that game, you can look at almost anyone of those Suns teams to see the inflated numbers they produced, Marion included. That system did nothing to hurt box score numbers in the slightest. Raja Bell, Quentin Richardson, Boris Diaw, Tim Thomas, etc etc etc can all attest to that.

And yes it should be who wins you the most games, and that's easily Melo over Marion. He's simply a much better player and nobody that watched either should really think otherwise. It isn't even just a PPG argument. I hate the way Melo plays as well, and notoriously love the "little things" guys like Marion, but there is simply no argument between the two.

[skones]

If we come away with anyone other than Parker I'm going to be extremely disappointed.

I thought you were on the Embiid train? You are the first person I remember mentioning him as the best prospect at the beginning of the year.

Embiid's back issues at such a young age bother me. People will point to Andre Drummond as an example, but it's far from a foregone conclusion that they don't come back to haunt him within the next couple of years. Call it a gut feeling, but regardless of who's the best prospect, I think Parker ends up becoming the best player because I think he's the one guy who really wants it.

[Max Green]

Melo is a go to scorer that the defenses attach to like Marion never saw in his NBA career and yet his scoring stats are still exceptional. Marion simply did not have the ability to do what Melo does and where he changed the game in other areas, it isn't to the level that Melo's scoring is impact wise. Melo may not be a #1 on a team that will win it all, but he is certainly in the range that say Stoudemire was in Phoenix compared to where Marion was.

Yes Melo scored more points than Marion, but that is only a small part of the game. Last year, Brandon Jennings scored more than Chris Paul, but I think Paul is slightly better Melo's scoring stats are not exceptional and is simply a volume shooter/scorer, and he is nowhere near the Offensive force that Amare was.

Melo has a career TS% of 55% in comparison to Amare's of 60%. Melo has had 1 season in the 57% TS range. Amare has had 6 Different Seasons over 61% TS.

Our goal shouldn't be to draft the player who will have the Highest PPG but rather the player who plays the most efficiently and impacts winning the most.

Are you really comparing the TS% of a Wing Player who takes a bunch of Jump Shots all over the floor to a who dunker who strictly plays around the basket? Of Course A'mare is gonna have the better TS%, he didn't take many shots outside the paint.

A'mare also benefitted from playing with one of the best Point Guards of the last decade in Steve Nash. He made killing off being on the receiving end of the pick n roll with Nash. Not to mention they played in a crazy uptempo offense where they scored a staggering amount of points.

Edit: What Baddy said.

[GA34]

If we come away with anyone other than Parker I'm going to be extremely disappointed.

I thought you were on the Embiid train? You are the first person I remember mentioning him as the best prospect at the beginning of the year.

Embiid's back issues at such a young age bother me. People will point to Andre Drummond as an example, but it's far from a foregone conclusion that they don't come back to haunt him within the next couple of years. Call it a gut feeling, but regardless of who's the best prospect, I think Parker ends up becoming the best player because I think he's the one guy who really wants it.

How do we know a player really wants it though? I mean all these kids have been training and playing for this opportunity all their lives and now we are saying one wants it more then the other? Drummond was a guy who had questionable desire coming into the draft because of his one college season. Now who doesn't pick him in the top 3 in a redraft or even higher?

[skones]

I thought you were on the Embiid train? You are the first person I remember mentioning him as the best prospect at the beginning of the year.

Embiid's back issues at such a young age bother me. People will point to Andre Drummond as an example, but it's far from a foregone conclusion that they don't come back to haunt him within the next couple of years. Call it a gut feeling, but regardless of who's the best prospect, I think Parker ends up becoming the best player because I think he's the one guy who really wants it.

How do we know a player really wants it though? I mean all these kids have been training and playing for this opportunity all their lives and now we are saying one wants it more then the other? Drummond was a guy who had questionable desire coming into the draft because of his one college season. Now who doesn't pick him in the top 3 in a redraft or even higher?

Like I said, gut feeling.

[Bucks7rules]

I am starting to like Jabari Parker a little bit more. Seems like he would like to play in Mil. and his hometown isn't far away I believe.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/source--an ... 47097.html

The Philadelphia 76ers are taking a long look at former Kansas guard Andrew Wiggins during a team visit, a source told Yahoo Sports.

Wiggins arrived in Philadelphia on Sunday night and will work out for the Sixers on Tuesday, a source said. The 6-foot-8, 200-pounder is also scheduled to get a tour of Philadelphia and other key sites on Monday. The Sixers own the third and 10th overall picks in the 2014 NBA draft on June 26 in Brooklyn, N.Y.

Let's hope they fall deep, deep in love.

[Baddy Chuck]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/source--andrew-wiggins-in-philadelphia-for-lengthy-visit-with-76ers-234247097.html

The Philadelphia 76ers are taking a long look at former Kansas guard Andrew Wiggins during a team visit, a source told Yahoo Sports.

Wiggins arrived in Philadelphia on Sunday night and will work out for the Sixers on Tuesday, a source said. The 6-foot-8, 200-pounder is also scheduled to get a tour of Philadelphia and other key sites on Monday. The Sixers own the third and 10th overall picks in the 2014 NBA draft on June 26 in Brooklyn, N.Y.

Let's hope they fall deep, deep in love.

Nah lets take him.

[DanoMac]

What really disgusts me, is when people are being told that they're evaluating players the wrong way, or when people say things like "this is fact, this is who's the best, you're an idiot/blind/don't know how to evaluate if you don't share my thought". Like scouting is becoming some sort of competition on the board.

One year ago today, this board was a great place to be, because we were ALL in the same boat. We were terrible, had no direction, and all wanted the same thing, a top draft pick.

Now we have that pick, and this board is becoming more divided day by day because of agendas being driven down our throats, and people being told they're thinking/scouting wrong, or being called idiots for comparing a certain player to another.

At the end of the day, we have the #2 pick, something a year ago today, we would have collectively ejaculated for. We all have our own opinions, and if you don't respect someone's opinion and/or tell them their opinion is wrong, or judge them as a "certain type of fan" because of they're opinion, then you're a douche bag.

In 10 days we're going to end up with a hell of a player, whether it's Embiid, Parker, or Wiggins. I know I'm excited about it, and want to be excited about it. But coming on here and seeing people talked down to, or being told that they're thinking is wrong, just makes me sick. We all deserve to be excited, not told that we're not on the same level with you. We're not scouts, we're message board posters on RealGM. We all watched the same games this past season, whether it was the Bucks, Duke, or Kansas. We all hold an opinion. Just respect each other, and let's turn this ship around in a positive way.

[Aaron It Out]

There it is. Shut the board down for the next 11 days kids.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/source--andrew-wiggins-in-philadelphia-for-lengthy-visit-with-76ers-234247097.html

The Philadelphia 76ers are taking a long look at former Kansas guard Andrew Wiggins during a team visit, a source told Yahoo Sports.

Wiggins arrived in Philadelphia on Sunday night and will work out for the Sixers on Tuesday, a source said. The 6-foot-8, 200-pounder is also scheduled to get a tour of Philadelphia and other key sites on Monday. The Sixers own the third and 10th overall picks in the 2014 NBA draft on June 26 in Brooklyn, N.Y.

Let's hope they fall deep, deep in love.

Nah lets take him.

Whether the Sixers fall deeply in love won't have an impact on our ability to take him, unless they trade up to 1, which, as everyone knows, is ideal to me.

[GA34]

Embiid's back issues at such a young age bother me. People will point to Andre Drummond as an example, but it's far from a foregone conclusion that they don't come back to haunt him within the next couple of years. Call it a gut feeling, but regardless of who's the best prospect, I think Parker ends up becoming the best player because I think he's the one guy who really wants it.

How do we know a player really wants it though? I mean all these kids have been training and playing for this opportunity all their lives and now we are saying one wants it more then the other? Drummond was a guy who had questionable desire coming into the draft because of his one college season. Now who doesn't pick him in the top 3 in a redraft or even higher?

Like I said, gut feeling.

Yeah that's fair enough. I just wouldn't be holding that against any of the top 4 prospects . None of them have red flags in character like if they were saying they will only travel to games via bus like Royce White

[Baddy Chuck]

Nah lets take him.

Whether the Sixers fall deeply in love won't have an impact on our ability to take him, unless they trade up to 1, which, as everyone knows, is ideal to me.

Just messin with ya a little. Think you're getting a little fanatical about Parker like you did with Embiid and speaking in some pretty large absolutes you know people will disagree with.

[giraldo5]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/source--andrew-wiggins-in-philadelphia-for-lengthy-visit-with-76ers-234247097.html



Let's hope they fall deep, deep in love.

Nah lets take him.

Whether the Sixers fall deeply in love won't have an impact on our ability to take him, unless they trade up to 1, which, as everyone knows, is ideal to me.

You can't say that enough.

[breakchains]

Nah lets take him.

Whether the Sixers fall deeply in love won't have an impact on our ability to take him, unless they trade up to 1, which, as everyone knows, is ideal to me.

Just messin with ya a little. Think you're getting a little fanatical about Parker like you did with Embiid and speaking in some pretty large absolutes you know people will disagree with.

I feel comfortable in my position. Just because I feel confident about it doesn't mean others can't hold a different opinion. I haven't bashed anyone for liking Wiggins more than Parker. I just don't agree. People felt the same way when I was proclaiming Embiid as the clear-cut top prospect before it was popular to do so. In fact, some of the same people complaining in this thread about people dissing other's opinions bashed me at the time for it. But I just have my own opinion and when I feel comfortable with it, I share it. I don't think I'm ever really disrespectful about it. Some people just seem insecure about their opinions and don't like it when someone else holds a differing one. I don't really care whether you have Wiggins as #2. It's your opinion - doesn't bother me.

[Baddy Chuck]

I feel comfortable in my position. Just because I feel confident about it doesn't mean others can't hold a different opinion. I haven't bashed anyone for liking Wiggins more than Parker. I just don't agree. People felt the same way when I was proclaiming Embiid as the clear-cut top prospect before it was popular to do so. In fact, some of the same people complaining in this thread about people dissing other's opinions bashed me at the time for it. But I just have my own opinion and when I feel comfortable with it, I share it. I don't think I'm ever really disrespectful about it. Some people just seem insecure about their opinions and don't like it when someone else holds a differing one. I don't really care whether you have Wiggins as #2. It's your opinion - doesn't bother me.

I don't have a problem with you having an opinion and sticking to it, I just think the little jabs like "Let's hope Philly fall in love with Wiggins" or "Send Dan Gilbert some Wiggins high school highlights" are obvious slights you know will get a rise from people and further push your obvious Parker/Embiid agenda, just as people are throwing out jabs about Embiid's back, Parker's defense or Exum's competition.